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I just do not have the patience to have to deal with spies everywhere, you cannot even coordinate in zone chat, you cannot even trust everyone in your own guild, and I cannot think of a way zos can remedy this, this just makes me not want to pvp at all. How do you guys deal with it?
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    I play with guild mates i have known for a long time, no trust issues ...
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  • Chuga_Rei
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    Our entire guild premise is built on distrust, lies and military level psychological torture techniques.


    We emotionally and psychologically damage each other until simple acts of betrayal mean nothing when your guild mates have been verbally water boarding you for a couple years.

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  • Humphie
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    Chuga_Rei wrote: »
    Our entire guild premise is built on distrust, lies and military level psychological torture techniques.


    We emotionally and psychologically damage each other until simple acts of betrayal mean nothing when your guild mates have been verbally water boarding you for a couple years.

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    Humphie wrote: »
    And the puppies??

    I'm told they taste excellent with some scrib jelly and a side of kwama eggs.

    In seriousness they probably should have limited PvP to one faction per account or something like. They used to make it so you couldn't have characters of different factions in the same campaign; when they got rid of it they remarked along the lines of, 'you could always spy on other factions, we're just making it easier.' :sweat:
    Edited by WhiteCoatSyndrome on February 5, 2017 12:30AM
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  • joe.smith21b14_ESO
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    CosmicSoul wrote: »
    I just do not have the patience to have to deal with spies everywhere, you cannot even coordinate in zone chat, you cannot even trust everyone in your own guild, and I cannot think of a way zos can remedy this, this just makes me not want to pvp at all. How do you guys deal with it?

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  • Gilvoth
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    loyalty, it cant exist with alliances, and it will never exist if people use voice chat and are allowed to communicate.
  • JodaGreyhame
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    In seriousness they probably should have limited PvP to one faction per account or something like.

    That's actually quite a good idea - have all your characters "alliance free" then choose which faction you want to lock your account to. Obviously there would need to be an option to change alliances for your account though (with some sort of cost involved)...
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  • NightbladeMechanics
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    ZOS did away with faction locked campaigns because they were a terrible idea, as irrational as your paranoia over the impact of zone chat spies.

    Perhaps try enjoying the fights for a change, instead of stressing over other people's loyalties and actions. Or the relationships you make with your friends. This game would be awful if you couldn't play and interact with people on multiple factions.

    EDIT: You do realize there are spies and shady ethics in real world war too, right? Do you want this game to mimic real conflict for you to maneuver and try to win, or do you want to play in a carebear bubble where no one ever does anything wrong according to your narrow, unrealistic, and restrictive definition?
    Edited by NightbladeMechanics on February 5, 2017 2:25AM
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    ZOS did away with faction locked campaigns because they were a terrible idea, as irrational as your paranoia over the impact of zone chat spies.

    Perhaps try enjoying the fights for a change, instead of stressing over other people's loyalties and actions. Or the relationships you make with your friends. This game would be awful if you couldn't play and interact with people on multiple factions.

    EDIT: You do realize there are spies and shady ethics in real world war too, right? Do you want this game to mimic real conflict for you to maneuver and try to win, or do you want to play in a carebear bubble where no one ever does anything wrong according to your narrow, unrealistic, and restrictive definition?

    Ok first of all it is not paranoid, we literally get whsipers about being a spy telling the other faction exactly what tactics are said in the zone chat so nice try, second of all it is a game and pvp needs to be fair period this is not real life and real world war lol wow dude just wow. It has nothing to do with carebear also use the term right it means people who love pve over pvp, and you need to relax and stop projecting your issues on the internet before you start trying to insult people about things you clearly you not understand with your unrealistic and restrictive views.
    Edited by DragonBound on February 5, 2017 2:40AM
  • makeumrage
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    Alliances shouls be locked. Always needed to be. You ahould have to pick one oer gamertage and only be able to play on that one. As far as guilds go, its as simpler as clicking the alliance option throughout the day and removing anyone not on the alliance you want them on.
  • DragonBound
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    makeumrage wrote: »
    Alliances shouls be locked. Always needed to be. You ahould have to pick one oer gamertage and only be able to play on that one. As far as guilds go, its as simpler as clicking the alliance option throughout the day and removing anyone not on the alliance you want them on.

    What if there was pick an alliance per week thing?
  • _Crow
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    Chuga_Rei wrote: »
    Our entire guild premise is built on distrust, lies and military level psychological torture techniques.


    We emotionally and psychologically damage each other until simple acts of betrayal mean nothing when your guild mates have been verbally water boarding you for a couple years.

    So I assume that means your guild is Hagnado right?

    And the way to fix this is easy guys, your alliance is account based. you choose one faction and that's it for all your toons. And if you do for some reason want to switch alliances back and forth and have no sense of teamwork and loyalty, then you can buy a crown store "Switch faction" scroll for something like 6000 crowns. Problem solved :)
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Maybe just play the game and don't worry so much . I realize that is sounding dismissive but what alternative is there ? Spying in PVP just seems like a ton of excessive work for a PVP system that falls to zerging anyways . What are they going to report ? "Ya faction X is all attacking castle Y again..." Seems like a waste of time to me .
  • makeumrage
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    CosmicSoul wrote: »

    What if there was pick an alliance per week thing?

    Some might like that. Id rather if anything, it be once you start a campaign you have to claim allegiance for an alliance for that Campaign. So you can only bring yellows in scourge, reds in haderous etc etc
  • ataggs
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    Seriously though absolutely no real pvp guild anywhere ever employed spies in the history of ever. Why bother? Get Miat's add on end of story. Could you even fickin imagine 8 character slots that had to all be the same faction?
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    I've gone pretty much solo in pvp for the last few months and I'm enjoying it
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  • phairdon
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    That's actually quite a good idea - have all your characters "alliance free" then choose which faction you want to lock your account to. Obviously there would need to be an option to change alliances for your account though (with some sort of cost involved)...

    Excellent idea.
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  • Joy_Division
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    EP doesn't even listen to it's own Zone chat. Any so called "spy" who relayed these "strategies" to the other faction would in fact be totally misleading them.

    Unless, of course, the it was a message to AD that a horde of EP potatoes was incoming to Alessia front door.

    Just relax, play the game, and try to enjoy the fights.
  • Chuga_Rei
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    As much as I like my hagnado guys I feel you aren't as overall hateful as I would like to see. Petty? Sure. Vile? Look at ghost! But sadly i feel you actually have some form of empathy, which disqualifies you.

    And zone chat is a very important tool. There was a campaign DC could of easily won, all of 3 factions were close in score. Well as time ticked away and factions were using zone to coordinate their actions DC was having a vicious argument instead. What action was this argument about? A failed siege? Weak defense? No. It was about the anatomy of horses in eso. Yeah, we came in 3rd.
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  • Altercator
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    Zone chat spies. lol

    Edit: NERDS!
    Edited by Altercator on February 5, 2017 7:05AM
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    Your comic soul is taking this game way to serious!!
  • AzuraKin
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    ZOS did away with faction locked campaigns because they were a terrible idea, as irrational as your paranoia over the impact of zone chat spies.

    Perhaps try enjoying the fights for a change, instead of stressing over other people's loyalties and actions. Or the relationships you make with your friends. This game would be awful if you couldn't play and interact with people on multiple factions.

    EDIT: You do realize there are spies and shady ethics in real world war too, right? Do you want this game to mimic real conflict for you to maneuver and try to win, or do you want to play in a carebear bubble where no one ever does anything wrong according to your narrow, unrealistic, and restrictive definition?

    i am a moron, please tell me how faction locking campaigns is bad? it encourages faction loyalty.
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  • Ishammael
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    AzuraKin wrote: »

    i am a moron, please tell me how faction locking campaigns is bad? it encourages faction loyalty.

    Because faction "loyalty" does not necessarily yield fun gameplay.

    If one faction is winning big, many players switch to the other side to even things out.
  • AzuraKin
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    rofl, then why does dc keep winning tf? we dont win because ep and ad swap over. we win even with ad and ep teaming up consistantly. sure you may see dc attacking ep and ad attacking ep and such, but you will never see dc and ad or dc and ep fighting side by side. because dc is the highest capita of alliance loyalists. we enjoy it. we enjoy it when we win, we enjoy it when we lose. dc is our alliance, and we will fight to win. fyi 100 players swap to winning alliance, for every 1 player who tries to balance out alliances. this is a solid part of why dcers are the highest capita of alliance loyalists. we stayed loyal when dc went 5 months straight without a win and the non loyalist dcers went to ad and ep.
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  • Chuga_Rei
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    AzuraKin wrote: »
    rofl, then why does dc keep winning tf? we dont win because ep and ad swap over. we win even with ad and ep teaming up consistantly. sure you may see dc attacking ep and ad attacking ep and such, but you will never see dc and ad or dc and ep fighting side by side. because dc is the highest capita of alliance loyalists. we enjoy it. we enjoy it when we win, we enjoy it when we lose. dc is our alliance, and we will fight to win. fyi 100 players swap to winning alliance, for every 1 player who tries to balance out alliances. this is a solid part of why dcers are the highest capita of alliance loyalists. we stayed loyal when dc went 5 months straight without a win and the non loyalist dcers went to ad and ep.

    We are reacting levels of esoteric video game nationalism that shouldn't even be possible.
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  • Minalan
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    In my experience, the big guilds and their raid leaders usually have a private back-channel to coordinate who's attacking what. PUG's aren't privy to that. It's never in zone.

    A lot of people I know PVP on different sides in TS. They're just regular people who are friends playing a video game. So yeah, assume nothing in open zone is secret and get over it.
    Edited by Minalan on February 5, 2017 8:09AM
  • DragonBound
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    Altercator wrote: »
    Zone chat spies. lol

    Edit: NERDS!

    It is pretty obvious use your brain, also we are all nerds since we play an mmorpg.
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    Minalan wrote: »
    In my experience, the big guilds and their raid leaders usually have a private back-channel to coordinate who's attacking what. PUG's aren't privy to that. It's never in zone.

    A lot of people I know PVP on different sides in TS. They're just regular people who are friends playing a video game. So yeah, assume nothing in open zone is secret and get over it.

    This is how we handled it in EU War Council when I was playing/leading there.

    I just told everyone how intel and orders were handled in EVE with big alliances and we copied what made sense. Couldn't convince them to accept Siege Green as a command to siege a keep though. :disappointed:
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Altercator wrote: »
    Zone chat spies. lol

    Edit: NERDS!

    Do you seriously call someone a nerd while participating in a online MMORPG ?
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    Do you seriously call someone a nerd while participating in a online MMORPG ?

    Even better, he's participating in the forums for a MMORPG!
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