Subscribers... Sorry....

VoRaVeLi

I never subscribed and never will. Saved a ton of money never subscribing + bought all the content separate.

Games that had an add on to content before were always called expansion. Only in maybe the last 10 years did the term DLC even start getting used and I believe it was just because it was easily accessed through a download rather than purchasing it in store....

So the term DLC became super common. You all have the right to future DLC for free as long as you are subscribed....

They flipped the script lol. Went back called it expansion and are sticking so hard to that term for legality reasons that people are actually confused and asking questions like wait what is that?

It's the same thing just worded different. Yes you all got screwed. RIP.

I'm sorry....

Edit : $40 isn't bad if it's a decent amount of good content* I will buy it.

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Betheny

I has a crafting bag. Suck it.

Ravena

We're all in the same boat, really

Mojmir

Don't be, it's worse when people blindly defend the state of this.

Runs

Ravena wrote: »

We're all in the same boat, really

Boat? I thought we were all in a yellow submarine.

Rohamad_Ali

Yeah . HA HA ! Very funny [snip]

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vyndral13preub18_ESO

Betheny wrote: »

I has a crafting bag. Suck it.

To bad it is so small. This bag of yours. I like big sweaty juicy crafting bags to suck on.

sevomd69

VoRaVeLi wrote: »

I never subscribed and never will. Saved a ton of money never subscribing + bought all the content separate.

Games that had an add on to content before were always called expansion. Only in maybe the last 10 years did the term DLC even start getting used and I believe it was just because it was easily accessed through a download rather than purchasing it in store....

So the term DLC became super common. You all have the right to future DLC for free as long as you are subscribed....

They flipped the script lol. Went back called it expansion and are sticking so hard to that term for legality reasons that people are actually confused and asking questions like wait what is that?

It's the same thing just worded different. Yes you all got screwed. RIP.

I'm sorry....

Edit : $40 isn't bad if it's a decent amount of good content* I will buy it.

Hey kid, I think its past your bedtime... and remember no water before bed or you're gonna wet it again...

Gilvoth

VoRaVeLi wrote: »

I'm sorry....

i simply do not believe that is true.

Libonotus

VoRaVeLi wrote: »

I never subscribed and never will. Saved a ton of money never subscribing + bought all the content separate.

Games that had an add on to content before were always called expansion. Only in maybe the last 10 years did the term DLC even start getting used and I believe it was just because it was easily accessed through a download rather than purchasing it in store....

So the term DLC became super common. You all have the right to future DLC for free as long as you are subscribed....

They flipped the script lol. Went back called it expansion and are sticking so hard to that term for legality reasons that people are actually confused and asking questions like wait what is that?

It's the same thing just worded different. Yes you all got screwed. RIP.

I'm sorry....

Edit : $40 isn't bad if it's a decent amount of good content* I will buy it.

Legally, it's really not the same thing.
You try and take ZOS to court for consumer contract breach, the Judge will say there are physical editions in store and therefore does not constitute a DLC.
That's legally speaking

Betheny

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

I has a crafting bag. Suck it.

To bad it is so small. This bag of yours. I like big sweaty juicy crafting bags to suck on.

I'm a female, your insult juju has no magic here.

Mojmir

Libonotus wrote: »

VoRaVeLi wrote: »

I never subscribed and never will. Saved a ton of money never subscribing + bought all the content separate.

Games that had an add on to content before were always called expansion. Only in maybe the last 10 years did the term DLC even start getting used and I believe it was just because it was easily accessed through a download rather than purchasing it in store....

So the term DLC became super common. You all have the right to future DLC for free as long as you are subscribed....

They flipped the script lol. Went back called it expansion and are sticking so hard to that term for legality reasons that people are actually confused and asking questions like wait what is that?

It's the same thing just worded different. Yes you all got screwed. RIP.

I'm sorry....

Edit : $40 isn't bad if it's a decent amount of good content* I will buy it.

Legally, it's really not the same thing.
You try and take ZOS to court for consumer contract breach, the Judge will say there are physical editions in store and therefore does not constitute a DLC.
That's legally speaking

And it won't take long to find those at gamestop for dirt cheap

Abeille

Runs wrote: »

Ravena wrote: »

We're all in the same boat, really

Boat? I thought we were all in a yellow submarine.

Speak for yourself. I'm on a horse.

Cpt_Teemo

Libonotus wrote: »

VoRaVeLi wrote: »

I never subscribed and never will. Saved a ton of money never subscribing + bought all the content separate.

Games that had an add on to content before were always called expansion. Only in maybe the last 10 years did the term DLC even start getting used and I believe it was just because it was easily accessed through a download rather than purchasing it in store....

So the term DLC became super common. You all have the right to future DLC for free as long as you are subscribed....

They flipped the script lol. Went back called it expansion and are sticking so hard to that term for legality reasons that people are actually confused and asking questions like wait what is that?

It's the same thing just worded different. Yes you all got screwed. RIP.

I'm sorry....

Edit : $40 isn't bad if it's a decent amount of good content* I will buy it.

Legally, it's really not the same thing.
You try and take ZOS to court for consumer contract breach, the Judge will say there are physical editions in store and therefore does not constitute a DLC.
That's legally speaking

Also most companies make you pay for Dlc as if it were expansions, even non MMO games as well look at Steam the majority of games make you pay for the dlc no matter how small or big they are.

Tabbycat

I subbed for the crafting bag. I get 1500 crowns each month.

So yeah, I am still getting what I paid for plus some nice bonuses.

I also plan to buy Morrowind and keep my sub.

You buy crowns sometimes I guess but you don't get the craft bag, so you get to deal with the headache of bank space management.

Cpt_Teemo

Tabbycat wrote: »

I subbed for the crafting bag. I get 1500 crowns each month.

So yeah, I am still getting what I paid for plus some nice bonuses.

I also plan to buy Morrowind and keep my sub.

You buy crowns sometimes I guess but you don't get the craft bag, so you get to deal with the headache of bank space management.

I don't get why people are so upset, you get 1500 Crowns (15$ by itself) along with craft bag, 10% boost, and content, and also feel the need to get any new content for free right on the dot.

Cadbury

Meh 2/10

Not popcorn worthy.

-dab-

AdamBourke

Actually, they aren't calling it an expansion - they're calling it a "Chapter". Just to confuse people even more.

But yeah - I no longer see the value in ESO+. I'll buy the Morrowind DLC (because that's what it is), but I won't be subscribing anymore.

That means... I'll be £20 better off after the release, and ZOS loses £20.

I will miss the crafting bag.

Tabbycat

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

I subbed for the crafting bag. I get 1500 crowns each month.

So yeah, I am still getting what I paid for plus some nice bonuses.

I also plan to buy Morrowind and keep my sub.

You buy crowns sometimes I guess but you don't get the craft bag, so you get to deal with the headache of bank space management.

I don't get why people are so upset, you get 1500 Crowns (15$ by itself) along with craft bag, 10% boost, and content, and also feel the need to get any new content for free right on the dot.

Yeah, I don't really get it either. Maybe it's sticker shock?

Pallio

Obviously, cheap non-sub folks stopped buying crowns for DLCs, so to get the next "Chapterdlcexpansion" or CDE we should call it, everyone will have to buy it or no bear for you, subs already get more than they pay for, non subs don't pay for anything... ZOS wins, well played.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

ZOS always rewards their most loyal walking wallets. $40 isn't bad for the value, but its not the price, its the principle.

VoRaVeLi

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

ZOS always rewards their most loyal walking wallets. $40 isn't bad for the value, but its not the price, its the principle.

Epic small print at bottom of the image haha

Minute_Waltz

VoRaVeLi wrote: »

I never subscribed and never will. Saved a ton of money never subscribing + bought all the content separate.

Damn dude I thought you didn't buy the DB dlc cuz you were too cheap for it? lol

WhiteCoatSyndrome

@Yolokin_Swagonborn Lol nice.

Right now I'm really glad I cancelled my sub when the Crates dropped, and I'm wondering if I'm every going to have something worthwhile to spend my stock of Crowns on ever again.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Betheny wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

I has a crafting bag. Suck it.

To bad it is so small. This bag of yours. I like big sweaty juicy crafting bags to suck on.

I'm a female, your insult juju has no magic here.

Also very humorless I see. The name gave it away the first time. I thought perhaps you would amuse me. But alas, I must amuse myself...

Betheny

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

I has a crafting bag. Suck it.

To bad it is so small. This bag of yours. I like big sweaty juicy crafting bags to suck on.

I'm a female, your insult juju has no magic here.

Also very humorless I see. The name gave it away the first time. I thought perhaps you would amuse me. But alas, I must amuse myself...

My humour is clearly very dry...perhaps you need a humour expansion.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

AdamBourke wrote: »

Actually, they aren't calling it an expansion - they're calling it a "Chapter". Just to confuse people even more.

But yeah - I no longer see the value in ESO+. I'll buy the Morrowind DLC (because that's what it is), but I won't be subscribing anymore.

That means... I'll be £20 better off after the release, and ZOS loses £20.

I will miss the crafting bag.

It is a good plan. Because chapter has no real meaning. So in the future anything they wish to charge you extra for will become the next chapter!

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I wonder if going forward every new zone will be a 'chapter.'

Yolokin_Swagonborn

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

@Yolokin_Swagonborn Lol nice.

Right now I'm really glad I cancelled my sub when the Crates dropped, and I'm wondering if I'm every going to have something worthwhile to spend my stock of Crowns on ever again.

They must have been losing money with crowns. They kept raising the price for mounts and motifs. 3k for a motif, then 4.5k, then 6k for a mount.

Probably ran some of their notorious "Statistics" and discovered how many people could just pay for Vvardenfell with crowns outright, even if it cost 6k, which would be reasonable because its twice the size of Orsinium that cost 3k crowns.

Figured they wouldn't get enough new money that way so they decided to betray the subscribers again. I say again because the ORIGINAL subscribers (back when subscription was mandatory) all paid for console development and NONE of that money went back into the game. Game stagnated after craglorn.

Funny how history repeats itself.

Runs

Cadbury wrote: »

Meh 2/10

Not popcorn worthy.

-dab-

But if it's not popcorn worthy what will get done with the Matt's salt?




Jokes aside, I can understand why many people are upset about this. No one subs just for the crowns, that would be like people asking to pay almost two times what everyone else gets crowns for once you consider sales and pack discounts. The crafting bag isn't even a year old yet and people have been subbing long before that. They thought they were getting all future content and supporting a game they believed in. Now they know they aren't getting all future content and the belief in the game/ZOS may be lost as well.

It isn't about getting something for free to them. It's about getting what they thought they were paying for the whole time that there was no reason to pay. I think many of us though saw this coming in advance with the data mining and expected it not to be included with standard subs and it's not hitting us all the same way.

Just seems like there is a huge lack of empathy in the world today. You don't need to agree with someone's opinion in order to understand why they have it.

SydneyGrey

This looks like a HUGE expansion. It doesn't surprise me that they don't want to give it to several million people for free. Bethesda has NEVER considered expansions as "DLC." I've played Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim (as well as the Fallout games) and DLC and expansions were always treated differently. DLC has always been a smaller amount of content than an expansion.

Interesting that you're bragging about playing the game for free. Who do you think pays all the employees to make this game that you love so much? Someone has to pay their wages. They don't work for free. I'm proud to be a subscriber, because it means I'm helping to support a game that I really, really love. If businesses don't make money, they go out of business.