Why are these female armors still distorted?

MornaBaine

As you can see from this thread that [SNIp] there has been a long ongoing problem with armor that is badly distorted when worn by female characters.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257543/important-update-zos-please-reconsider-your-decision-to-no-longer-make-female-light-armor/p1

Although @ZOS_JessicaFolsom came out and said in it that the distortion was NOT intended and WOULD be fixed...only ONE of the referenced armors was ever fixed (Trinimac, which they then ruined all over again by permanently affixing the terrible "wings" because they couldn't figure out how to make them work as separate shoulders) and NONE of the distorted costumes from the crown store have been fixed.

UPDATE/EDIT: Here's a handy spreadsheet being compiled so we can keep track of what the "distortion status" is for each armor. Many thanks to @WhiteCoatSyndrome !
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aLUwhkKF002NsEGNM6a95GI9n4t4KJ0puxJNfU6yW5c/edit#gid=0

These pictures were just taken a few days ago to illustrate my point:









As you can see, the original thread was started April of 2016. And though Zeni promised us action on this topic, virtually nothing has actually been done. Yet they closed the OP as being "outdated." So please take this opportunity to share your pics of the armors and costumes you find that are distorted on the female form so that they can be reminded that the subject itself is far from "outdated" and will remain so as long as the problem remains unsolved. Thank you.

[Edited for Discussing Moderator Action]

WhiteCoatSyndrome

They still haven't fixed this? I've been wanting to craft some Aldmeri Dominion for my (female) main...

Betheny

Ugh, the pigeon chest appearance looks horrible. This is incredibly lazy work on the part of whoever is responsible for producing gear (it's clearly designed for the male form then very clumsily transformed to sorta kinda warp around a female bump shaped body).

Banana

Its much easier to ignore stuff than to fix it.

Lookstowindwards

Is there an actual list which pieces are still distorted?

I have to remake my armor and thought about changing the style (wearing Dunmer at the moment), but am afraid of choosing something that will look that way on my Dunmer lady...

So which style is still affected and in what armor class (light, medium, heavy)?

Beside: This should have been fixed the week or month it was discovered!

MornaBaine

Lookstowindwards wrote: »

Is there an actual list which pieces are still distorted?

I have to remake my armor and thought about changing the style (wearing Dunmer at the moment), but am afraid of choosing something that will look that way on my Dunmer lady...

So which style is still affected and in what armor class (light, medium, heavy)?

Beside: This should have been fixed the week or month it was discovered!

I believe there are some lists buried in the original post. Unfortunately, it is very lengthy (mostly because so many things were found to be bad) and they may be difficult to find.

MornaBaine

The "good" news is that newer armor motifs do not seem to suffer from these problems but there are still many "older" styles that do.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

@MornaBaine Would it be faster to list the ones that AREN'T warped? My main is wearing Breton Light on live and it seems to be fine.

(...of course it was one of the original Motifs released with the game so it SHOULD be fine after all this time, but yeah. :P)

KochDerDamonen

This interaction with various heavy armors and female characters with their breasts set to minimum still bugs me to no end. It's a little dangly bit that I can only assume is waiting to cup the bottom of protruding breasts so that they fit the armor more smoothly? Unfortunately it still shows up, think this is an opposing result stemming from a similar design issue.

Lookstowindwards

MornaBaine wrote: »

Lookstowindwards wrote: »

Is there an actual list which pieces are still distorted?

I have to remake my armor and thought about changing the style (wearing Dunmer at the moment), but am afraid of choosing something that will look that way on my Dunmer lady...

So which style is still affected and in what armor class (light, medium, heavy)?

Beside: This should have been fixed the week or month it was discovered!

I believe there are some lists buried in the original post. Unfortunately, it is very lengthy (mostly because so many things were found to be bad) and they may be difficult to find.

Thanks for your reply.

Yeah, I know there were some lists in the original thread, but as you say: it unfortunately became very lengthy (mostly because of the missing fixes for the sets) and is now indeed a little difficult to search.

Beside its not clear, if all the bugged sets in the original thread are still bugged today (beside the few which were reported of being fixed), so an update would be cool.

Or does maybe someone know which of his sets/costums are still bugged?

AlienSlof

It's not like it's even that difficult to convert one to the other - I know, I did many gender conversions both ways for armours and clothes. It's actually EASIER to convert from male to female too.

MornaBaine

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

@MornaBaine Would it be faster to list the ones that AREN'T warped? My main is wearing Breton Light on live and it seems to be fine.

(...of course it was one of the original Motifs released with the game so it SHOULD be fine after all this time, but yeah. :P)

The original racial motifs are all fine. the problem appeared to crop up when ZoS decided to stop designing 2 separate armor meshes, one for male and one for female and instead just "morphed" the male meshes onto female characters. We know this from statements by @ZOS_GinaBruno during an ESO live, which is also referenced in the now closed OP. So any armors designed between then and when the OP brought the issue to their attention may still be affected.

Lookstowindwards

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

@MornaBaine Would it be faster to list the ones that AREN'T warped? My main is wearing Breton Light on live and it seems to be fine.

(...of course it was one of the original Motifs released with the game so it SHOULD be fine after all this time, but yeah. :P)

I think in the original thread about this topic it was stated, that the motifs shipped with the original game were working fine - at least for Dunmer and Breton we both can tell, that this is still true.

Is this still true with the other original motifs/styles?

MornaBaine

Lookstowindwards wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

@MornaBaine Would it be faster to list the ones that AREN'T warped? My main is wearing Breton Light on live and it seems to be fine.

(...of course it was one of the original Motifs released with the game so it SHOULD be fine after all this time, but yeah. :P)

I think in the original thread about this topic it was stated, that the motifs shipped with the original game were working fine - at least for Dunmer and Breton we both can tell, that this is still true.

Is this still true with the other original motifs/styles?

Yep ALL of the original racial motifs that were in when the game opened are still fine.

FluffyReachWitch

If I recall right, all armors conform to your character's proportions to a degree, so many are going to look better or worse depending on the proportions you choose. But even with minimum settings for the chest, or carefully selected proportions, some armors are going to produce slightly weird results the way they're set up now. That holds true even for the alliance armors.

But personally? I still much prefer the look of Aldmeri Dominion armor on all my female characters. It looks more protective and realistic. I would actually be thrilled if they'd redesign the starting motif armors to remove the leather and metal cups from the chest.

Lookstowindwards

FluffyReachWitch wrote: »

If I recall right, all armours conform to your character's proportions to a degree, so many are going to look better or worse depending on the proportions you choose. But even with minimum settings for the chest, or carefully selected proportions, some armours are going to produce slightly weird results the way they're set up now. That holds true even for the alliance armours.

But personally? I still much prefer the look of Aldmeri Dominion armour on all my female characters. It looks more protective and realistic. I would actually be thrilled if they'd redesign the starting motif armours to remove the leather and metal cups from the chest.

Nobody would argue if only heavy armor would behave that way, as it would at least be a little more realistic (being a breast plate etc.); and even if some would prefer a Fantasy-plate-bikini, they would be able to live with this.

BUT we are - and were, in the original thread - talking about light and medium armour here, so cloth and leather, material one and easily shape to fit a female body. Being a female myself I see no reason (at least not for a mentally healthy person) to hide the form of a female body behind a bloated something on cloth or leather.*

Personally? Would they indeed "redesign" (read: destroy) the original (and new) motifs to fit into this old-new (the new designs seem to work normal again, it seems?) pigeon breast form, I would most likely quit. Or my toons would have to run naked.

*And dont mention ancient leather armor being hard and not shaped to follow the body here, as in ESO we are talking about leather armour in which you can sneak and move silently here, so it has indeed little in common with military leather armour.

Abeille

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

They still haven't fixed this? I've been wanting to craft some Aldmeri Dominion for my (female) main...

I don't think the AD one will ever be "fixed" because I think it is actually supposed to look like that, since it has a big piece of metal on top of the light chest.

Also, time to repost the ALMIGHTY BRETON UNIBOOB



The Breton outfits (first and third ones) still do that to my character's chest. Elven Hero (second) and Redguard Female Medium (fourth) added for comparison.

MornaBaine

Abeille wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

They still haven't fixed this? I've been wanting to craft some Aldmeri Dominion for my (female) main...

I don't think the AD one will ever be "fixed" because I think it is actually supposed to look like that, since it has a big piece of metal on top of the light chest.

Also, time to repost the ALMIGHTY BRETON UNIBOOB



The Breton outfits (first and third ones) still do that to my character's chest. Elven Hero (second) and Redguard Female Medium (fourth) added for comparison.

Yes, ALL of the costumes in the crown store designed for females horribly distort the chest regardless of the build of the character in question and make them look bizarre and terrible. It is why I virtually never use them even though I've bought several in the hope that ONE DAY ZoS will actually do something about this.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I think this calls for a spreadsheet. This should be editable. Let me know if it's not.

MornaBaine

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I think this calls for a spreadsheet. This should be editable. Let me know if it's not.

I have put in the info for all the ones I know the status of. But I do not know how to show it here or share it with you.

Betheny

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I think this calls for a spreadsheet. This should be editable. Let me know if it's not.

Good resource, it'll help us decide if we want to make the gear or not.

MalakithAlamahdi

MornaBaine wrote: »

As you can see from this thread that [SNIp] there has been a long ongoing problem with armor that is badly distorted when worn by female characters.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257543/important-update-zos-please-reconsider-your-decision-to-no-longer-make-female-light-armor/p1

Although @ZOS_JessicaFolsom came out and said in it that the distortion was NOT intended and WOULD be fixed...only ONE of the referenced armors was ever fixed (Trinimac, which they then ruined all over again by permanently affixing the terrible "wings" because they couldn't figure out how to make them work as separate shoulders) and NONE of the distorted costumes from the crown store have been fixed.

These pictures were just taken a few days ago to illustrate my point:









As you can see, the original thread was started April of 2016. And though Zeni promised us action on this topic, virtually nothing has actually been done. Yet they closed the OP as being "outdated." So please take this opportunity to share your pics of the armors and costumes you find that are distorted on the female form so that they can be reminded that the subject itself is far from "outdated" and will remain so as long as the problem remains unsolved. Thank you.

[Edited for Discussing Moderator Action]

It's because they make the armors on male toons and just copy paste it on females now. The older armors were made for both, that's why they looked a lot better on females than the new ones.

Also now we're at it:

Zeni said they would update all the old armors like they did with Redguard and Orc to give them better textures and fittings, has this promise also just been dumped?

WhiteCoatSyndrome

@MornaBaine I can see it on the spreadsheet so you're good. I'm going to move the Skinchanger note into the slot for it (I put the Motifs in the order they're numbered, which is why it's over Abah's Watch).

MornaBaine

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

@MornaBaine I can see it on the spreadsheet so you're good. I'm going to move the Skinchanger note into the slot for it (I put the Motifs in the order they're numbered, which is why it's over Abah's Watch).

Oh cool! Thank you!

Lookstowindwards

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I think this calls for a spreadsheet. This should be editable. Let me know if it's not.

Thank you so much!

MornaBaine

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

@MornaBaine I can see it on the spreadsheet so you're good. I'm going to move the Skinchanger note into the slot for it (I put the Motifs in the order they're numbered, which is why it's over Abah's Watch).

I am going to try to link the spreadsheet in the OP so hopefully folks will find it helpful.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

@MornaBaine Sounds good!

Molydeus

This is what the SJW's get for not wanting boobplate. Now we have garbage-looking armor templates for female characters.

Wolfchild07

People saying it looks more realistic, this is a fantasy game. It has magical protections. Real life armour does not have magical protections (that I know of :P). What they've done with it looks awful and should be fixed.

Emencie

Not entirely sure I'm seeing the problem... It just looks like she's wearing armor.

Betheny

Armour could show some of the female form without upsetting the "no boobplate" purists (who ironically are usually males it seems)...

Something like this (note you can see shape yet it's still all covered with metal) -



And there's no excuses for pigeon chest (or is it a balloon?) with leather or cloth.