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Why are these female armors still distorted?
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not entirely sure I'm seeing the problem... It just looks like she's wearing armor.
Except in one of the pics (and in all of my pics) it's cloth.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.5 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is what the SJW's get for not wanting boobplate. Now we have garbage-looking armor templates for female characters.
This often comes up and it is not a correct information. It is just people trying to blame someone else for ZOS's decisions.
This change was made to cut corners when designing armor, not because anyone complained about "boobplate". This was talked about on ESO live. It was a conscious decision to stop making armor for females, and instead taking the male model and deforming it over the female mesh.
Since that episode of ESO live, however, they backtracked and said it is actually a "bug" (we know it isn't, but let's roll with it so it might be fixed one day) and fixed it on at least one light chest (Trinimac).Edited by Abeille on January 21, 2017 7:19PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.19 -
FluffyReachWitch✭✭✭✭✭Ah, I realize that I edited out what I had to say on the light robes and jerkins specifically before posting earlier. That is my mistake.
Part of why I prefer my Aldmeri Dominion robe (and my skinchanger jerkin) over many older motifs is this. Other robes have a tendency to appear as though there are "socks" to accommodate the chest (this stands out a lot when viewed from the side), or the fabric clings very tightly when it would normally drape instead. In addition to realistic metal and leather armors, I'd love older robes and jerkins to be revamped so that they don't appear unrealistically attached to the skin or a few sizes too tight. (Also, I love the metal plate over my AD robe. So protective. Wow.)
But there are definitely oddities with certain aspects of the faction armors, especially pictured above (though I would argue the Dominion style looks fine since it's got a big protective armor piece; the other faction robes look armored as well but AD does it differently). Again, I think these are due partly to how armor is designed to go over the body in this particular game, and your chosen proportions can affect that. For example, I've never noticed such extreme issues on characters who have larger waists and guts and smaller chests.
So, I wonder if changing the approach to how armor is rigged and weighted would make armors look less weird for everyone.Edited by FluffyReachWitch on January 21, 2017 7:57PM2 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FluffyReachWitch wrote: »Ah, I realize that I edited out what I had to say on the light robes and jerkins specifically before posting earlier. That is my mistake.
Part of why I prefer my Aldmeri Dominion robe (and my skinchanger jerkin) over many older motifs is this. Other robes have a tendency to appear as though there are "socks" to accommodate the chest (this stands out a lot when viewed from the side), or the fabric clings very tightly when it would normally drape instead. In addition to realistic metal and leather armors, I'd love older robes and jerkins to be revamped so that they don't appear unrealistically attached to the skin or a few sizes too tight. (Also, I love the metal plate over my AD robe. So protective. Wow.)
But there are definitely oddities with certain aspects of the faction armors, especially pictured above (though I would argue the Dominion style looks fine since it's got a big protective armor piece; the other faction robes look armored as well but AD does it differently). Again, I think these are due partly to how armor is designed to go over the body in this particular game, and your chosen proportions can affect that. For example, I've never noticed such extreme issues on characters who have larger waists and guts and smaller chests.
So, I wonder if changing the approach to how armor is rigged and weighted would make armors look less weird for everyone.
They were able to make the Trinimac, which was terribly distorted look correct. It went from this:
to THIS
after they fixed it. So, obviously, they are capable of fixing the problem. The question remains why they have not done it for any of the other affected armors.Edited by MornaBaine on January 21, 2017 8:05PMPAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!9 -
Stania✭✭✭✭✭Lookstowindwards wrote: »Being a female myself I see no reason (at least not for a mentally healthy person) to hide the form of a female body behind a bloated something on cloth or leather.*
Onna Bugeishas were mentally ill, it seems.
And From Software too lol
Not entirely sure I'm seeing the problem... It just looks like she's wearing armor.PC NA server
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MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For what feels like the millionth time...we're discussing what ZOS has already admitted was an unintended distortion of CLOTH armors. Not plate, not chainmail. Leather armor in this game fits like cloth. Like this:
So much of the Medium/leather armor is distorted as well.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!6 -
Stania✭✭✭✭✭I know what are you talking about, I was addressing the "mental health" statement regarding to showing the female figure under an armor.
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Lookstowindwards✭✭✭Lookstowindwards wrote: »Being a female myself I see no reason (at least not for a mentally healthy person) to hide the form of a female body behind a bloated something on cloth or leather.*
Onna Bugeishas were mentally ill, it seems.
And From Software too lolNot entirely sure I'm seeing the problem... It just looks like she's wearing armor.I know what are you talking about, I was addressing the "mental health" statement regarding to showing the female figure under an armor.
You read my posting to complain it seems, else you should also have read what I said about cloth and leather armour in reality compared to ESO: As I said, we are not talking about real world armour here. In ESO cloth and leather armour is not comparable to real world military armour at all, its more like normal clothing in cloth and leather in reality. And yes: Other games do armour a lot more realistic (If you look closely, they also dont have strange flapping thingies on the side of the thighs).
Would plate and chain mail (the later we not really even have ingame, btw.) simply make a "flat" breast, I would not complain. I even wouldnt complain if leather armour would be more like real leather armour. But when it also would make the breast FLAT, not bloated.
But, hey: Maybe its just an air bag!
Edit: Pictures in the old thread indicate that Malacath seems to be okay too.Edited by Lookstowindwards on January 21, 2017 10:31PM2 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lookstowindwards wrote: »Would plate and chain mail (the later we not really even have ingame, btw.) simply make a "flat" breast, I would not complain. I even wouldnt complain if leather armour would be more like real leather armour. But when it also would make the breast FLAT, not bloated.
Yep. The way some of them look like, leather or cloth (very obvious on Breton outfits), it looks like the sternum bone was pushed forward. It is very weird, and it gets weirder the largest the character's breasts are. This really isn't how it works.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.6 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »@MornaBaine Would it be faster to list the ones that AREN'T warped? My main is wearing Breton Light on live and it seems to be fine.
(...of course it was one of the original Motifs released with the game so it SHOULD be fine after all this time, but yeah. :P)
The original racial motifs are all fine. the problem appeared to crop up when ZoS decided to stop designing 2 separate armor meshes...
That's not what happened. Originally, there were no meshes created for armor. Any of the motifs that were part of the original game do not have their own meshes. They're just a texture applied over your character's body. This is most apparent with the Imperial heavy armor, where its diamond will flatten out as you pan around the character.
Your Breton light armor is, literally, painted onto your character.
This is true for all of the base game motifs, and most of the ones that were added in early on. So, Dwemer, Celestial, Yokudan (even though they weren't craftible, they did drop) I suspect Draugr, though I haven't checked that one.
Glass might have been the last meshless armor added to the game. I'm not 100% sure. Around the time of the console launches, the devs started working with new meshes to go with some of their items. The alliance motifs were, probably, the first ones to hit live with actual meshes. It's likely the Orsinium motifs were already in the works at that point. By the time TG had launched, they had been made aware of the issue, and said they were dealing with it.
Now, here's the thing. ZOS is probably not going to fix any of these. Because of the firestorm they unleashed when they redid the Orc and Redguard motifs. They've said they would not be revisiting any motifs in the future because of that, including not updating old motifs with meshes. Once a motif hits live, it's done, and they don't want to risk irking anyone by changing the motifs around.2 -
Mashille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why is The Breton Hero Costume still a steaming pile of poo poo?
Both questions have the same answer.Edited by Mashille on January 21, 2017 11:20PMHouse Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'3 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Now, here's the thing. ZOS is probably not going to fix any of these. Because of the firestorm they unleashed when they redid the Orc and Redguard motifs. They've said they would not be revisiting any motifs in the future because of that, including not updating old motifs with meshes. Once a motif hits live, it's done, and they don't want to risk irking anyone by changing the motifs around.
They did fix the Trinimac light chest though, and got nothing but love from us for doing it.
That is, until they slapped the stupid wings on it.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.3 -
helediron✭✭✭✭✭
✭The bad designs came mostly with Thieves Guild DLC. The three alliance styles were the most hideous ones. Abah's watch and Thieves Guild styles came later with Dark Brotherhood and are somewhat distorted. Trinimac looked first like bent cardboard but was later fixed. Malacath wasn't distorted but had other quality issues like missing textures and undyeable shield.
After Thieves Guild (+ the TG-associated styles in DB) i have not seen distorted armour styles. I guess ZOS actually learned a lesson from cutting corners and the backlash it created.On hiatus. PC,EU,AD - crafting completionist - @helediron 900+ cp, @helestor 1000+ cp, @helestar 800+ cp, @helester 700+ cp - Dragonborn Z Suomikilta, Harrods, Master Crafter. - Blog - Crafthouse: all stations, all munduses, all dummies, open to everyone2 -
Incognitius✭✭✭✭✭
Which would explain OP's picture of the Ra'Gada style since that was introduced with Thieves Guild, I believe.The bad designs came mostly with Thieves Guild DLC. The three alliance styles were the most hideous ones. Abah's watch and Thieves Guild styles came later with Dark Brotherhood and are somewhat distorted. Trinimac looked first like bent cardboard but was later fixed. Malacath wasn't distorted but had other quality issues like missing textures and undyeable shield.
After Thieves Guild (+ the TG-associated styles in DB) i have not seen distorted armour styles. I guess ZOS actually learned a lesson from cutting corners and the backlash it created.
Not digging the skinchanger light and medium armour. Though I can't tell its because of distortion, or because it's heavily armoured.
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Now, here's the thing. ZOS is probably not going to fix any of these. Because of the firestorm they unleashed when they redid the Orc and Redguard motifs. They've said they would not be revisiting any motifs in the future because of that, including not updating old motifs with meshes. Once a motif hits live, it's done, and they don't want to risk irking anyone by changing the motifs around.
They did fix the Trinimac light chest though, and got nothing but love from us for doing it.
That is, until they slapped the stupid wings on it.
Huh, I must have missed that.0 -
Keep_Door✭✭✭✭✭There are way bigger problems in this game than some distorted armor...
Priorities.
Majority of the time you will be zoomed out looking from behind or god forbid in 1st person veiw.0 -
Rev Rielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's a shame this hasn't been fixed yet. First reared it's head with the release of the Imperial City, like was said; they'e acknowledge it's a bug.
I hope they get around to it again (it did get fixed, re the IC faction armour for a while, but clearly it's back).If you can be anything, be kind.3 -
Ajaxduo✭✭✭✭✭I think it was something to do with a design decision because of 'sexy female armor' (rip redguard light, orc heavy) and it being unrealistic, so they made the armors more padded. Tbh they just look ugly now.- - -
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Its a shame they havent fixed this issue yet.
I think it was something to do with a design decision because of 'sexy female armor' (rip redguard light, orc heavy) and it being unrealistic, so they made the armors more padded. Tbh they just look ugly now.
I dont even think that its realistic to make robes (=dresses, basically) so bulky, especially when most of heavy cuirasses are boobplates.
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Now, here's the thing. ZOS is probably not going to fix any of these. Because of the firestorm they unleashed when they redid the Orc and Redguard motifs. They've said they would not be revisiting any motifs in the future because of that, including not updating old motifs with meshes. Once a motif hits live, it's done, and they don't want to risk irking anyone by changing the motifs around.
They did fix the Trinimac light chest though, and got nothing but love from us for doing it.
That is, until they slapped the stupid wings on it.
Huh, I must have missed that.
Most people did, because oddly enough ZOS doesn't tell us when they do something good
I don't understand.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2 -
WhiteCoatSyndrome✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭...were there any fixes applied to the distorted armors with the last update? My main has her embassy now, I should like to dress her appropriately in Dominion gear to reflect her new position, but I suspect I'm going to have to use something else. #proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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dbgager✭✭✭Yes that is not very attractive. It looks kind of weird. They need to redesign it.Edited by dbgager on February 13, 2017 4:33AM1
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MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »...were there any fixes applied to the distorted armors with the last update? My main has her embassy now, I should like to dress her appropriately in Dominion gear to reflect her new position, but I suspect I'm going to have to use something else.
Nothing regarding this issue has evr made it into any patch notes. Seems they are still trying to pretend that if they ignore it, it'll go away.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0