Sorc pets make bosses look stupid

Dragonnord

STEVIL wrote: »

"The tank" is a character performing that role. Bosses tend to attack tanks to an extent way beyond reasonable considering their impact... regardless of whether the tank is a pet or a pc or any npc.

Exactly! You are saying it. And I'm saying that a little pet performing "The tank" role is very stupid. I don't see why is so hard to understand and picture the situation of a little pet tanking a hell demon or whatever leader boss.

Besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, however, a little scamp just comes and tanks the last boss of a dungeon, naked, just like that? So stupid!

AcadianPaladin

I don't disagree that some may find it to look a bit silly that a clannfear occupies the full attention of a boss.

I do find the result to generally be that the clannfear gets cut down pretty quickly however.

I think few sorcs would urge nerfing their already underpowered summons however.

As a healer, my elf notes that summons really don't hold up very well to being pounded.

skiptomyluau

Yo momma so fat ZOS sells her in the crown store for 5000 crowns as a mount

MasterSpatula

"Your momma's so ugly, Malacath sent me to rescue her."

Mic1007

The boss is levelling Fighters Guild by farming those pets.

Honestly, it has the same logic as Taunting; if the boss was adaptive, the Tank would be ignored and the Magsorc in the bank would be in much more danger.

Uriel_Nocturne

"Yo momma so fat, Molag Bal said 'Uh... No, no way in hell.".

Browiseth

it's a video game

waterfairy

Why apply logic to a video game boss that attacks the thing that causes aggro? It's no different then attacking a tank player

thisisScoMan

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Sorc pets train for years in the art of "yo momma" jokes.

Yo momma so ugly, she got me worried the Dragons have returned to Tamriel.

STEVIL

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

"The tank" is a character performing that role. Bosses tend to attack tanks to an extent way beyond reasonable considering their impact... regardless of whether the tank is a pet or a pc or any npc.

Exactly! You are saying it. And I'm saying that a little pet performing "The tank" role is very stupid. I don't see why is so hard to understand and picture the situation of a little pet tanking a hell demon or whatever leader boss.

Besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, however, a little scamp just comes and tanks the last boss of a dungeon, naked, just like that? So stupid!

Wel to be fair since about half my characters are deliberately on the smaller to smallest end of the size allowed and many others i see are just normal or less, the "imposing player image" isn't something i factor in as an automatic.

there is no impact on a small skinny argonian tank for not being huge and burly looking or otherwise intimidating. One shouldn't judge a book by its cover. uncle whatsits in the Shalidor basement looks tough but goes down easy while queen Estre or nox - not so much.

And as for "the little scamp" clearly he also has the right powers and abilities to do the job, or else it would die. in fact, that little scamp does its job very well when i solo dungeons and bosses... so appearances can be decieving.

But hey, if you want to judge your enemies by their looks, thats your choice. but i bet there may be a few small argonian ladies in simple servant clothes who might be surprising. They might even just be wearing a bath towel. obviously small argonian in bath towels cant be dangerous.

LOL.

thanks for the chuckles.

Dragonnord

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I do find the result to generally be that the clannfear gets cut down pretty quickly however.

...my elf notes that summons really don't hold up very well to being pounded.

You should update your notes:

Pet starts tanking on 0:10 and dies on 5:00. Died just at the end of the fight, sorc runs a little and then just summons another pet to tank it a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=AzNc_G2L8cM

STEVIL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

"The tank" is a character performing that role. Bosses tend to attack tanks to an extent way beyond reasonable considering their impact... regardless of whether the tank is a pet or a pc or any npc.

Exactly! You are saying it. And I'm saying that a little pet performing "The tank" role is very stupid. I don't see why is so hard to understand and picture the situation of a little pet tanking a hell demon or whatever leader boss.

Besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, however, a little scamp just comes and tanks the last boss of a dungeon, naked, just like that? So stupid!

Wel to be fair since about half my characters are deliberately on the smaller to smallest end of the size allowed and many others i see are just normal or less, the "imposing player image" isn't something i factor in as an automatic.

there is no impact on a small skinny argonian tank for not being huge and burly looking or otherwise intimidating. One shouldn't judge a book by its cover. uncle whatsits in the Shalidor basement looks tough but goes down easy while queen Estre or nox - not so much.

And as for "the little scamp" clearly he also has the right powers and abilities to do the job, or else it would die. in fact, that little scamp does its job very well when i solo dungeons and bosses... so appearances can be decieving.

But hey, if you want to judge your enemies by their looks, thats your choice. but i bet there may be a few small argonian ladies in simple servant clothes who might be surprising. They might even just be wearing a bath towel. obviously small argonian in bath towels cant be dangerous.

LOL.

thanks for the chuckles.

You definitely don't understand my point. I don't care if the scamp "has the right powers and abilities to do the job", it still looks stupid that a little pet tanks the leader of an army.

What's coming next? A pile of raw ancestor silk keeping the boss trapped so you can hit him?

AcadianPaladin

What I saw in that vid was how hard the sorc worked in conjunction with the pet to relieve some of the pressure. Yes, the pet helped a lot but it still took lots of run&gun, streaking, dodging and work by the sorc. The pet appeared to be a pretty good help, not a prefect tank and the boss did not look silly to me. Go pets! And thanks for sharing that vid!

Merlin13KAGL

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

"The tank" is a character performing that role. Bosses tend to attack tanks to an extent way beyond reasonable considering their impact... regardless of whether the tank is a pet or a pc or any npc.

Besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, however, a little scamp just comes and tanks the last boss of a dungeon, naked, just like that? So stupid!

You mean like 30k+ health, high resists, ability to taunt, 90% less damage from AoE? Things like that?

Regarding focusing of the tank, what is the usual result for the rest of the group if the tank dies?

You're expecting more from the AI (on both sides) than the Devs have ability to implement right now. You're trying to find logic in the simplistic AI that is currently implemented.

Dragonnord

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

"The tank" is a character performing that role. Bosses tend to attack tanks to an extent way beyond reasonable considering their impact... regardless of whether the tank is a pet or a pc or any npc.

Besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, however, a little scamp just comes and tanks the last boss of a dungeon, naked, just like that? So stupid!

You mean like 30k+ health, high resists, ability to taunt, 90% less damage from AoE? Things like that?

Regarding focusing of the tank, what is the usual result for the rest of the group if the tank dies?

You're expecting more from the AI (on both sides) than the Devs have ability to implement right now. You're trying to find logic in the simplistic AI that is currently implemented.

I'm not trying to find any logic where clearly there isn't any. I'm just saying scamps tanking look stupid. I don't care if there's logic or not on that, it's just that it looks stupid.

Ch4mpTW

CarbonX wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

"The tank" is a character performing that role. Bosses tend to attack tanks to an extent way beyond reasonable considering their impact... regardless of whether the tank is a pet or a pc or any npc.

Besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, however, a little scamp just comes and tanks the last boss of a dungeon, naked, just like that? So stupid!

You mean like 30k+ health, high resists, ability to taunt, 90% less damage from AoE? Things like that?

Regarding focusing of the tank, what is the usual result for the rest of the group if the tank dies?

You're expecting more from the AI (on both sides) than the Devs have ability to implement right now. You're trying to find logic in the simplistic AI that is currently implemented.

I'm not trying to find any logic where clearly there isn't any. I'm just saying scamps tanking look stupid. I don't care if there's logic or not on that, it's just that it looks stupid.

Hm... So an immortal summoning of sorts embedded by magicka looks stupid tanking an enemy embedded with magicka, while a mortal holding a shield looks fine. Interesting.

Phinix1

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

MattT1988 wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Sorc pets train for years in the art of "yo momma" jokes.

Yo momma so fat not even the dark anchors could pull her to Oblivion!

Nice, the ESO trailer must have been mommas movie debut!

Yo momma?

Dragonnord

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

"The tank" is a character performing that role. Bosses tend to attack tanks to an extent way beyond reasonable considering their impact... regardless of whether the tank is a pet or a pc or any npc.

Besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, however, a little scamp just comes and tanks the last boss of a dungeon, naked, just like that? So stupid!

You mean like 30k+ health, high resists, ability to taunt, 90% less damage from AoE? Things like that?

Regarding focusing of the tank, what is the usual result for the rest of the group if the tank dies?

You're expecting more from the AI (on both sides) than the Devs have ability to implement right now. You're trying to find logic in the simplistic AI that is currently implemented.

I'm not trying to find any logic where clearly there isn't any. I'm just saying scamps tanking look stupid. I don't care if there's logic or not on that, it's just that it looks stupid.

Hm... So an immortal summoning of sorts embedded by magicka looks stupid tanking an enemy embedded with magicka, while a mortal holding a shield looks fine. Interesting.

Exactly.

Cyrediath

Because pets are also deadra. You are not.

STEVIL

CarbonX wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I do find the result to generally be that the clannfear gets cut down pretty quickly however.

...my elf notes that summons really don't hold up very well to being pounded.

You should update your notes:

Pet starts tanking on 0:10 and dies on 5:00. Died just at the end of the fight, sorc runs a little and then just summons another pet to tank it a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=AzNc_G2L8cM

STEVIL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

"The tank" is a character performing that role. Bosses tend to attack tanks to an extent way beyond reasonable considering their impact... regardless of whether the tank is a pet or a pc or any npc.

Exactly! You are saying it. And I'm saying that a little pet performing "The tank" role is very stupid. I don't see why is so hard to understand and picture the situation of a little pet tanking a hell demon or whatever leader boss.

Besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, however, a little scamp just comes and tanks the last boss of a dungeon, naked, just like that? So stupid!

Wel to be fair since about half my characters are deliberately on the smaller to smallest end of the size allowed and many others i see are just normal or less, the "imposing player image" isn't something i factor in as an automatic.

there is no impact on a small skinny argonian tank for not being huge and burly looking or otherwise intimidating. One shouldn't judge a book by its cover. uncle whatsits in the Shalidor basement looks tough but goes down easy while queen Estre or nox - not so much.

And as for "the little scamp" clearly he also has the right powers and abilities to do the job, or else it would die. in fact, that little scamp does its job very well when i solo dungeons and bosses... so appearances can be decieving.

But hey, if you want to judge your enemies by their looks, thats your choice. but i bet there may be a few small argonian ladies in simple servant clothes who might be surprising. They might even just be wearing a bath towel. obviously small argonian in bath towels cant be dangerous.

LOL.

thanks for the chuckles.

You definitely don't understand my point. I don't care if the scamp "has the right powers and abilities to do the job", it still looks stupid that a little pet tanks the leader of an army.

What's coming next? A pile of raw ancestor silk keeping the boss trapped so you can hit him?

I understand your position - that to you it looks stupid. You could just as well be saying a green t-shirt looks stupid to you or a willow tree looks stupid to you or an avocado looks stupid to you. As far as those go, its a matter of taste and preference. So, for that part, i understand fully.

But, not stopping at "its just my feeling" or "its just my preferences" or "i like this ice cream over that" kinda position, you go further. you try and setup a supporting argument as to why you are right, not just that you like it this way or that.

that is where I and others seem to be having issues with being able to find your supporting argument reasonable.

We dont have to find your "its what i like" kind of thing logical or reasonable - thats a totally subject thing and no right or wrong.

but for instance, when discussing "the tank" you go on about how the PCV tank has skills and gear and basically is setup to tank the boss... but now for the pet you say having the right ability and right skills doesn't matter.

That is an inconsistent position. Why bring up yourself if you are just going to dismiss it later?

Look at these two statements from you... both from this page iirc.

"besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, "

"I don't care if the scamp "has the right powers and abilities to do the job""

It makes no sense for you to support you position with tanks needs this and that and then just a little later dismiss as irrelevant whether the scamp has the right powers and abilities.

You can easily stop at "me no likely" opinion on the scamp-tank-issue and only thing folks can think is go "hey thats your thing" and not much there to really discuss.

But when you start supporting the position, start arguing why its right, start making arguments aboput why other things are different - then you start forming a line of reasoning that seems on the surface to be inconsistent.

At this point, whether its really just you being hung up on size or having a real anti-scamp discrimination vibe - it seems that you just don't like the flavor of scamp tanking and dont really have anything beyond that as a preference/opinion to establish this as anything objectively wrong in the context of the game.

So, again, thanks for the chuckles.

AlMcFly

Yo momma drink so much, she's the reason Breda only comes out of hiding once a year.

Dragonnord

Cyrediath wrote: »

Because pets are also deadra. You are not.

So deep...

Dragonnord

STEVIL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I do find the result to generally be that the clannfear gets cut down pretty quickly however.

...my elf notes that summons really don't hold up very well to being pounded.

You should update your notes:

Pet starts tanking on 0:10 and dies on 5:00. Died just at the end of the fight, sorc runs a little and then just summons another pet to tank it a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=AzNc_G2L8cM

STEVIL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

"The tank" is a character performing that role. Bosses tend to attack tanks to an extent way beyond reasonable considering their impact... regardless of whether the tank is a pet or a pc or any npc.

Exactly! You are saying it. And I'm saying that a little pet performing "The tank" role is very stupid. I don't see why is so hard to understand and picture the situation of a little pet tanking a hell demon or whatever leader boss.

Besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, however, a little scamp just comes and tanks the last boss of a dungeon, naked, just like that? So stupid!

Wel to be fair since about half my characters are deliberately on the smaller to smallest end of the size allowed and many others i see are just normal or less, the "imposing player image" isn't something i factor in as an automatic.

there is no impact on a small skinny argonian tank for not being huge and burly looking or otherwise intimidating. One shouldn't judge a book by its cover. uncle whatsits in the Shalidor basement looks tough but goes down easy while queen Estre or nox - not so much.

And as for "the little scamp" clearly he also has the right powers and abilities to do the job, or else it would die. in fact, that little scamp does its job very well when i solo dungeons and bosses... so appearances can be decieving.

But hey, if you want to judge your enemies by their looks, thats your choice. but i bet there may be a few small argonian ladies in simple servant clothes who might be surprising. They might even just be wearing a bath towel. obviously small argonian in bath towels cant be dangerous.

LOL.

thanks for the chuckles.

You definitely don't understand my point. I don't care if the scamp "has the right powers and abilities to do the job", it still looks stupid that a little pet tanks the leader of an army.

What's coming next? A pile of raw ancestor silk keeping the boss trapped so you can hit him?

I understand your position - that to you it looks stupid. You could just as well be saying a green t-shirt looks stupid to you or a willow tree looks stupid to you or an avocado looks stupid to you. As far as those go, its a matter of taste and preference. So, for that part, i understand fully.

But, not stopping at "its just my feeling" or "its just my preferences" or "i like this ice cream over that" kinda position, you go further. you try and setup a supporting argument as to why you are right, not just that you like it this way or that.

that is where I and others seem to be having issues with being able to find your supporting argument reasonable.

We dont have to find your "its what i like" kind of thing logical or reasonable - thats a totally subject thing and no right or wrong.

but for instance, when discussing "the tank" you go on about how the PCV tank has skills and gear and basically is setup to tank the boss... but now for the pet you say having the right ability and right skills doesn't matter.

That is an inconsistent position. Why bring up yourself if you are just going to dismiss it later?

Look at these two statements from you... both from this page iirc.

"besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, "

"I don't care if the scamp "has the right powers and abilities to do the job""

It makes no sense for you to support you position with tanks needs this and that and then just a little later dismiss as irrelevant whether the scamp has the right powers and abilities.

You can easily stop at "me no likely" opinion on the scamp-tank-issue and only thing folks can think is go "hey thats your thing" and not much there to really discuss.

But when you start supporting the position, start arguing why its right, start making arguments aboput why other things are different - then you start forming a line of reasoning that seems on the surface to be inconsistent.

At this point, whether its really just you being hung up on size or having a real anti-scamp discrimination vibe - it seems that you just don't like the flavor of scamp tanking and dont really have anything beyond that as a preference/opinion to establish this as anything objectively wrong in the context of the game.

So, again, thanks for the chuckles.

You're right, but just and only because someone derailed the thread. If you read my first post, it says nothing about gear, stats, skills, mechanics, and so, just that a small pet tanking a big, smart, etc., etc., etc., boss looks stupid.

If people can't comprehend right from the beginning that it was just an opinion about something looking stupid (regardless mechincs, gear, etc.) then it's people's fault due to lack of direct comprehension.

Here i go again, simple and clear:

A small scamp tanking a big boss, army leader, lord of hell and so, just looks stupid.

PS: If someone, again, takes that phrase to anything different then that's a different matter I never intended to discuss here.

DragonBound

CarbonX wrote: »

I still can't believe how sorcerers pets make bosses look stupid.

How can a boss (supposed to be tough, smart, leader of minions or hell demon and/or probably a general of Molag Bal's army or so) attack a small pet like a complete idiot instead of focusing on the enemy (player) that is delivering a lot of damage on him and so is the real menace?

"Hey! Look! I'm a big boss distracted with this small pet doing me nothing! Look how stupid I am! That player over there is launching all his/her fury on me and I'm still attacking this tiny scamp. I'm a so smart boss. Molag Bal should be proud of me!".

The same reason you see the tank ignoring the main dps while attacking the tank who taunts him.

DragonBound

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

"The tank" is a character performing that role. Bosses tend to attack tanks to an extent way beyond reasonable considering their impact... regardless of whether the tank is a pet or a pc or any npc.

Exactly! You are saying it. And I'm saying that a little pet performing "The tank" role is very stupid. I don't see why is so hard to understand and picture the situation of a little pet tanking a hell demon or whatever leader boss.

Besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, however, a little scamp just comes and tanks the last boss of a dungeon, naked, just like that? So stupid!

Exactly? You could of just stated that to begin with instead of attacking other people over your mistake. And it is not stupid it has happened in other mmorpgs, in many mmorpgs pets can off tank, its called diversity and just because you do not like it does not mean everyone else has to not like it as well.

MEBengalsFan2001

CarbonX wrote: »

I still can't believe how sorcerers pets make bosses look stupid.

How can a boss (supposed to be tough, smart, leader of minions or hell demon and/or probably a general of Molag Bal's army or so) attack a small pet like a complete idiot instead of focusing on the enemy (player) that is delivering a lot of damage on him and so is the real menace?

"Hey! Look! I'm a big boss distracted with this small pet doing me nothing! Look how stupid I am! That player over there is launching all his/her fury on me and I'm still attacking this tiny scamp. I'm a so smart boss. Molag Bal should be proud of me!".

I heard that Sorc Stamina pet builds are broken or improperly balanced. Is this true? I also heard a fix is coming to get it resolved, is that also true?

I play other games and Sorc type classes with Pets always seem to be top DPS in games.

Merlin13KAGL

CarbonX wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Because pets are also deadra. You are not.

So deep...

So this is a troll thread, or you just wanted to express your feeling without actual discussion?
Collect your hug at the door.

Phinix1 wrote: »

Yo momma?

@Phinix1 , Momma always did have nice teeth...

Dragonnord

CosmicSoul wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

"The tank" is a character performing that role. Bosses tend to attack tanks to an extent way beyond reasonable considering their impact... regardless of whether the tank is a pet or a pc or any npc.

Exactly! You are saying it. And I'm saying that a little pet performing "The tank" role is very stupid. I don't see why is so hard to understand and picture the situation of a little pet tanking a hell demon or whatever leader boss.

Besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, however, a little scamp just comes and tanks the last boss of a dungeon, naked, just like that? So stupid!

Exactly? You could of just stated that to begin with instead of attacking other people over your mistake. And it is not stupid it has happened in other mmorpgs, in many mmorpgs pets can off tank, its called diversity and just because you do not like it does not mean everyone else has to not like it as well.

And where do I say other cannot like it? You need a strong coffee dude.

Merlin13KAGL

CarbonX wrote: »

And where do I say other cannot like it? You need a strong coffee dude.

You need to not post discussions if you don't wish to have discussions...

Dragonnord

CosmicSoul wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

"The tank" is a character performing that role. Bosses tend to attack tanks to an extent way beyond reasonable considering their impact... regardless of whether the tank is a pet or a pc or any npc.

Exactly! You are saying it. And I'm saying that a little pet performing "The tank" role is very stupid. I don't see why is so hard to understand and picture the situation of a little pet tanking a hell demon or whatever leader boss.

Besides, tanks need specific gear, specific stats, specific skills to perform "The tank" job, however, a little scamp just comes and tanks the last boss of a dungeon, naked, just like that? So stupid!

Exactly? You could of just stated that to begin with instead of attacking other people over your mistake. And it is not stupid it has happened in other mmorpgs, in many mmorpgs pets can off tank, its called diversity and just because you do not like it does not mean everyone else has to not like it as well.

And for you to understand better, since it's obvious you don't, I didn't say any pet can't tank, I said a little scamp looks stupid. Maybe if the "tank pet" is a big daedroth with some type of armor, strong skinned and so, that wouldn't look stupid.

But a tiny scamp, that are the most stupid daedra minions, it's just silly.

Dragonnord

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

So this is a troll thread, or you just wanted to express your feeling without actual discussion?
Collect your hug at the door.

I just wanted to express my feeling without actual discussion.
Collect your hug at the door.