Sorc pets make bosses look stupid

Dragonnord

I still can't believe how sorcerers pets make bosses look stupid.

How can a boss (supposed to be tough, smart, leader of minions or hell demon and/or probably a general of Molag Bal's army or so) attack a small pet like a complete idiot instead of focusing on the enemy (player) that is delivering a lot of damage on him and so is the real menace?

"Hey! Look! I'm a big boss distracted with this small pet doing me nothing! Look how stupid I am! That player over there is launching all his/her fury on me and I'm still attacking this tiny scamp. I'm a so smart boss. Molag Bal should be proud of me!".

AlwaysOnFire

The scamp is on a VIP list you aren't on. You don't turn heads when you walk into the club, mortal.

Hand_Bacon

Sorc pets train for years in the art of "yo momma" jokes.

neutronenstern

My pet tanked the warrior boss in hel ra when tank couldnt enter. It wasnt even the scamp, it was the little 9k health matriach. Bird op!

MattT1988

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Sorc pets train for years in the art of "yo momma" jokes.

Yo momma so fat not even the dark anchors could pull her to Oblivion!

Dragonnord

AlwaysOnFire wrote: »

The scamp is on a VIP list you aren't on. You don't turn heads when you walk into the club, mortal.

So deep...

Emencie

MattT1988 wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Sorc pets train for years in the art of "yo momma" jokes.

Yo momma so fat not even the dark anchors could pull her to Oblivion!

"Yo momma so fat, she's in all three alliances!"

Berenhir

Artificial intelligence is not really one of this game's strengths.

AcadianPaladin

Perhaps sorc pets secretly know taunt spells?

Perhaps the boss views you as a boss and is using the 'take out the adds before killing the boss' approach?

Elsonso

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Perhaps the boss views you as a boss and is using the 'take out the adds before killing the boss' approach?

Hopefully, players do not look stupid when they deal with adds while the boss is still alive.

Besides, the boss is farming players and needs the XP from the pets.

Katahdin

I've had my clanged tan a few things while I took em down. clanfear

DMuehlhausen

MattT1988 wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Sorc pets train for years in the art of "yo momma" jokes.

Yo momma so fat not even the dark anchors could pull her to Oblivion!

Nice, the ESO trailer must have been mommas movie debut!

stevepdodson_ESO888

when a wasp comes buzzing around you, what is your reaction to it?

yup...focus all attention, dodging, weaving and swatting...nuff said

Bartdude

This is why I come to the forums....LMAO

Bartdude

Emencie wrote: »

MattT1988 wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Sorc pets train for years in the art of "yo momma" jokes.

Yo momma so fat not even the dark anchors could pull her to Oblivion!

"Yo momma so fat, she's in all three alliances!"

"Yo momma so fat Molag Bal rode her ripple's from one end of Tamriel to the other!"

Malamar1229

Yo mammas so fat, Shalidor had to grease the portal first

Emencie

"Yo mama so stupid, she thinks mage light is a sorcerer with fewer calories."



ZOS I hope you are getting these down. I expect my scamp to shout these next time he's tanking.

Uriel_Nocturne

"Yo momma so fat, Mannimarco could make a whole Flesh Atronach army out of her."

trinimacNcheese

Yo momma so stupid she thought mudcrabs was something you contracted from redguards.

STEVIL

CarbonX wrote: »

I still can't believe how sorcerers pets make bosses look stupid.

How can a boss (supposed to be tough, smart, leader of minions or hell demon and/or probably a general of Molag Bal's army or so) attack a small pet like a complete idiot instead of focusing on the enemy (player) attacking and killing him?

"Hey! Look! I'm a big boss distracted with this small pet doing me nothing! Look how stupid I am! That player over there is launching all his/her fury on me and I'm still attacking this tiny scamp. I'm a so smart boss. Molag Bal should be proud of me!".

Same could be said of any tank? Tanks keep boss attention while doing a fraction of the damage done...

Its rare for bosses to prioritize sensibly - healer then dps then other.

But to be clear, the boss sometimes may just be the biggest or the most powerful or the most likeable or the loudest, not the smartest... at least judging by almost every election done in my lifetime.

Dragonnord

STEVIL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

I still can't believe how sorcerers pets make bosses look stupid.

How can a boss (supposed to be tough, smart, leader of minions or hell demon and/or probably a general of Molag Bal's army or so) attack a small pet like a complete idiot instead of focusing on the enemy (player) attacking and killing him?

"Hey! Look! I'm a big boss distracted with this small pet doing me nothing! Look how stupid I am! That player over there is launching all his/her fury on me and I'm still attacking this tiny scamp. I'm a so smart boss. Molag Bal should be proud of me!".

Same could be said of any tank? Tanks keep boss attention while doing a fraction of the damage done...

Its rare for bosses to prioritize sensibly - healer then dps then other.

But to be clear, the boss sometimes may just be the biggest or the most powerful or the most likeable or the loudest, not the smartest... at least judging by almost every election done in my lifetime.

Tank is a player specific role, a pet is a pet that is making bosses look stupid.

And when you say "sometimes...", 99% of the bosses in this game can be taunted, so that "sometimes" becomes "always", therefore, all bosses are stupid turning their backs to the real enemy (player) to focus on a pet.

STEVIL

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

I still can't believe how sorcerers pets make bosses look stupid.

How can a boss (supposed to be tough, smart, leader of minions or hell demon and/or probably a general of Molag Bal's army or so) attack a small pet like a complete idiot instead of focusing on the enemy (player) attacking and killing him?

"Hey! Look! I'm a big boss distracted with this small pet doing me nothing! Look how stupid I am! That player over there is launching all his/her fury on me and I'm still attacking this tiny scamp. I'm a so smart boss. Molag Bal should be proud of me!".

Same could be said of any tank? Tanks keep boss attention while doing a fraction of the damage done...

Its rare for bosses to prioritize sensibly - healer then dps then other.

But to be clear, the boss sometimes may just be the biggest or the most powerful or the most likeable or the loudest, not the smartest... at least judging by almost every election done in my lifetime.

Tank is a player specific role, a pet is a pet that is making bosses look stupid.

And when you say "sometimes...", 99% of the bosses in this game can be taunted, so that "sometimes" becomes "always", therefore, all bosses are stupid turning their backs to the real enemy (player) to focus on a pet.

yes a pet is not a player but a boss spending all the fight smashing the tank who isn't hurting and ignoring the 50k dps stabby stabby guys killing the boss looks just as stupid to me as the one pounding the clanfear or the scamp who may be stunning a lot of adds every 4-5s.

But, BTW, yes every boss can be taunted but some bosses have mechanics which let them ignore taunts for specific attacks - like i believe there are some who just pick random characters regardless of taunt for this special or that special and others i think even specifically target "the farthest" or "the healer" kind of things - but with special attacks.

Ch4mpTW

It's common in MMO's for an enemy to focus on a pet/summoning of sorts in a PvE environment. Hence the: Hunter, Necromancer, summoner classes/roles. There's 1 in almost all MMO's just about that incorporate mana/magicka builds. And 9x out of 10 they are on a mage/wizard of sorts (unless hunter).

I mean... Aren't your summons supposed to be distractions and added damage and or heals, while you (the caster/summoner) supply the uninterrupted damage?

Edit: ZOS should allow us to have a Necromancer skill line, or series of spells. Thus allowing us to resurrect enemies we've slain to fight for us for a period of time, or until dispelled. Now that would be truly wonderful.

Dragonnord

STEVIL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

I still can't believe how sorcerers pets make bosses look stupid.

How can a boss (supposed to be tough, smart, leader of minions or hell demon and/or probably a general of Molag Bal's army or so) attack a small pet like a complete idiot instead of focusing on the enemy (player) attacking and killing him?

"Hey! Look! I'm a big boss distracted with this small pet doing me nothing! Look how stupid I am! That player over there is launching all his/her fury on me and I'm still attacking this tiny scamp. I'm a so smart boss. Molag Bal should be proud of me!".

Same could be said of any tank? Tanks keep boss attention while doing a fraction of the damage done...

Its rare for bosses to prioritize sensibly - healer then dps then other.

But to be clear, the boss sometimes may just be the biggest or the most powerful or the most likeable or the loudest, not the smartest... at least judging by almost every election done in my lifetime.

Tank is a player specific role, a pet is a pet that is making bosses look stupid.

And when you say "sometimes...", 99% of the bosses in this game can be taunted, so that "sometimes" becomes "always", therefore, all bosses are stupid turning their backs to the real enemy (player) to focus on a pet.

yes a pet is not a player but a boss spending all the fight smashing the tank who isn't hurting and ignoring the 50k dps stabby stabby guys killing the boss looks just as stupid to me as the one pounding the clanfear or the scamp who may be stunning a lot of adds every 4-5s.

But, BTW, yes every boss can be taunted but some bosses have mechanics which let them ignore taunts for specific attacks - like i believe there are some who just pick random characters regardless of taunt for this special or that special and others i think even specifically target "the farthest" or "the healer" kind of things - but with special attacks.

Again, tank is a role, not a pet.

And dont derail talking about mechanics because this thread has not intention in discussing mechanics.

My point is direct and clear; a boss, an enemy leader, distracted with a small pet is stupid imho.

Dragonnord

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I mean... Aren't your summons supposed to be distractions and added damage and or heals, while you (the caster/summoner) supply the uninterrupted damage?

Yes, but make it for a short period of time then, not tanking the final boss of the hardest dungeons during the whole fight.

Kuroinu

STEVIL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

I still can't believe how sorcerers pets make bosses look stupid.

How can a boss (supposed to be tough, smart, leader of minions or hell demon and/or probably a general of Molag Bal's army or so) attack a small pet like a complete idiot instead of focusing on the enemy (player) attacking and killing him?

"Hey! Look! I'm a big boss distracted with this small pet doing me nothing! Look how stupid I am! That player over there is launching all his/her fury on me and I'm still attacking this tiny scamp. I'm a so smart boss. Molag Bal should be proud of me!".

Same could be said of any tank? Tanks keep boss attention while doing a fraction of the damage done...

Its rare for bosses to prioritize sensibly - healer then dps then other.

But to be clear, the boss sometimes may just be the biggest or the most powerful or the most likeable or the loudest, not the smartest... at least judging by almost every election done in my lifetime.

I think it's the fact that all players can look imposing and a threat.

The light-violet tinted Scamp and Clannfear just don't look all that threatening in my opinion. Also, those particular Daedra are kind of the lowest ranking, lowest intellect beings from Oblivion. In other words, they are minion-types that we're used to seeing hacked and slashed through and tossed to the side without much threat. Not something you could really see keeping the attention of a being with higher intellect.

While we do of course hack and slash through a lot of Dremora, the fact that they are human in form makes it more threatening because we're used to seeing beings in that form strategize and therefore be of a higher intellect. So, it would be much more believable to have a Sorcerer summon a Dremora Lord or at least a Daedra with a human-esque form to keep the attention of a "boss".

Dragonnord

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

I still can't believe how sorcerers pets make bosses look stupid.

How can a boss (supposed to be tough, smart, leader of minions or hell demon and/or probably a general of Molag Bal's army or so) attack a small pet like a complete idiot instead of focusing on the enemy (player) attacking and killing him?

"Hey! Look! I'm a big boss distracted with this small pet doing me nothing! Look how stupid I am! That player over there is launching all his/her fury on me and I'm still attacking this tiny scamp. I'm a so smart boss. Molag Bal should be proud of me!".

Same could be said of any tank? Tanks keep boss attention while doing a fraction of the damage done...

Its rare for bosses to prioritize sensibly - healer then dps then other.

But to be clear, the boss sometimes may just be the biggest or the most powerful or the most likeable or the loudest, not the smartest... at least judging by almost every election done in my lifetime.

I think it's the fact that all players can look imposing and a threat.

The light-violet tinted Scamp and Clannfear just don't look all that threatening in my opinion. Also, those particular Daedra are kind of the lowest ranking, lowest intellect beings from Oblivion. In other words, they are minion-types that we're used to seeing hacked and slashed through and tossed to the side without much threat. Not something you could really see keeping the attention of a being with higher intellect.

While we do of course hack and slash through a lot of Dremora, the fact that they are human in form makes it more threatening because we're used to seeing beings in that form strategize and therefore be of a higher intellect. So, it would be much more believable to have a Sorcerer summon a Dremora Lord or at least a Daedra with a human-esque form keep the attention of a "boss".

This. It makes much more sense than a small scamp tanking.

STEVIL

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

I still can't believe how sorcerers pets make bosses look stupid.

How can a boss (supposed to be tough, smart, leader of minions or hell demon and/or probably a general of Molag Bal's army or so) attack a small pet like a complete idiot instead of focusing on the enemy (player) attacking and killing him?

"Hey! Look! I'm a big boss distracted with this small pet doing me nothing! Look how stupid I am! That player over there is launching all his/her fury on me and I'm still attacking this tiny scamp. I'm a so smart boss. Molag Bal should be proud of me!".

Same could be said of any tank? Tanks keep boss attention while doing a fraction of the damage done...

Its rare for bosses to prioritize sensibly - healer then dps then other.

But to be clear, the boss sometimes may just be the biggest or the most powerful or the most likeable or the loudest, not the smartest... at least judging by almost every election done in my lifetime.

Tank is a player specific role, a pet is a pet that is making bosses look stupid.

And when you say "sometimes...", 99% of the bosses in this game can be taunted, so that "sometimes" becomes "always", therefore, all bosses are stupid turning their backs to the real enemy (player) to focus on a pet.

yes a pet is not a player but a boss spending all the fight smashing the tank who isn't hurting and ignoring the 50k dps stabby stabby guys killing the boss looks just as stupid to me as the one pounding the clanfear or the scamp who may be stunning a lot of adds every 4-5s.

But, BTW, yes every boss can be taunted but some bosses have mechanics which let them ignore taunts for specific attacks - like i believe there are some who just pick random characters regardless of taunt for this special or that special and others i think even specifically target "the farthest" or "the healer" kind of things - but with special attacks.

Again, tank is a role, not a pet.

And dont derail talking about mechanics because this thread has not intention in discussing mechanics.

My point is direct and clear; a boss, an enemy leader, distracted with a small pet is stupid imho.

Tank is a role. "The tank" is a character performing that role. Bosses tend to attack tanks to an extent way beyond reasonable considering their impact... regardless of whether the tank is a pet or a pc or any npc.

As for this thread being limited by you to not include cases where bosses dont do the stupid stuff, i suppose some feel the need for limiting discussions to only agrees

Your point is you think its stupid when its vs pets.

Ok everyone has opinions.

My point is i think its no more or less stupid when it is vs pets or vs tanky pc or tanky npc... and that its fairly within this genre of games... and there are cases where bosses are designed to avoid that stupidity though only in special cases.

Enjoy.

STEVIL

CarbonX wrote: »

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

I still can't believe how sorcerers pets make bosses look stupid.

How can a boss (supposed to be tough, smart, leader of minions or hell demon and/or probably a general of Molag Bal's army or so) attack a small pet like a complete idiot instead of focusing on the enemy (player) attacking and killing him?

"Hey! Look! I'm a big boss distracted with this small pet doing me nothing! Look how stupid I am! That player over there is launching all his/her fury on me and I'm still attacking this tiny scamp. I'm a so smart boss. Molag Bal should be proud of me!".

Same could be said of any tank? Tanks keep boss attention while doing a fraction of the damage done...

Its rare for bosses to prioritize sensibly - healer then dps then other.

But to be clear, the boss sometimes may just be the biggest or the most powerful or the most likeable or the loudest, not the smartest... at least judging by almost every election done in my lifetime.

I think it's the fact that all players can look imposing and a threat.

The light-violet tinted Scamp and Clannfear just don't look all that threatening in my opinion. Also, those particular Daedra are kind of the lowest ranking, lowest intellect beings from Oblivion. In other words, they are minion-types that we're used to seeing hacked and slashed through and tossed to the side without much threat. Not something you could really see keeping the attention of a being with higher intellect.

While we do of course hack and slash through a lot of Dremora, the fact that they are human in form makes it more threatening because we're used to seeing beings in that form strategize and therefore be of a higher intellect. So, it would be much more believable to have a Sorcerer summon a Dremora Lord or at least a Daedra with a human-esque form keep the attention of a "boss".

This. It makes much more sense than a small scamp tanking.

I am sure you have heard this before but really "size doesnt matter" esp when it comes to fantasy magic and like genres. Just ask Yoda.

Vaoh

I don't see the issue

Same goes for any boss in the game, especially in trials. The Warrior is supposed to be disciplined, yet focuses on the guy with heavy plate armor, tons of healing (supplemented by squishy healers), and a big shield. The 8-9 DPS behind him just casual burn him down while he tries to take down the one guy with tons of armor.

Plus live players usually fall for the same tactic as the bosses you mention XD

Lashiing

this can be said about 90% of pvpers