Are templars praying to anyone specific in the lore?

Yinmaigao

RNGESUS.

/thread

Koensol

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

And how do we know how the gods learned the magicka in the first place? Maybe they are more distinct in the first place.

All I can say is that your "I still disagree I think there is lore missing" argument is not really valid. It is your opinion/beliefs, against valid sources from established lore. You stand little chance I am afraid.

starkerealm

Koensol wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

And how do we know how the gods learned the magicka in the first place? Maybe they are more distinct in the first place.

All I can say is that your "I still disagree I think there is lore missing" argument is not really valid. It is your opinion/beliefs, against valid sources from established lore. You stand little chance I am afraid.

Especially when this is an area where there's a fair amount of lore from the other games. It's not the easiest material to digest, but the setting's metaphysics are pretty well documented.

DragonBound

Koensol wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

And how do we know how the gods learned the magicka in the first place? Maybe they are more distinct in the first place.

All I can say is that your "I still disagree I think there is lore missing" argument is not really valid. It is your opinion/beliefs, against valid sources from established lore. You stand little chance I am afraid.

Well I have not really studied lore before morrowind anyways so until I see it I am not going to assume, and I think it is completely fair considering how logical they try to

Koensol wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

And how do we know how the gods learned the magicka in the first place? Maybe they are more distinct in the first place.

All I can say is that your "I still disagree I think there is lore missing" argument is not really valid. It is your opinion/beliefs, against valid sources from established lore. You stand little chance I am afraid.

Well I have not really studied lore before morrowind anyways so until I see it I am not going to assume, and I think it is completely fair considering how logical they try to make the lore in the first place, it makes way more sense then saying it comes from one place so yes it actually is completely valid. Stand little chance with what? Your opinion? Well no offense but that does not matter to me, I am not expressing this to stand a chance against you lol do not flatter yourself.

Koensol

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

And how do we know how the gods learned the magicka in the first place? Maybe they are more distinct in the first place.

All I can say is that your "I still disagree I think there is lore missing" argument is not really valid. It is your opinion/beliefs, against valid sources from established lore. You stand little chance I am afraid.

Well I have not really studied lore before morrowind anyways so until I see it I am not going to assume, and I think it is completely fair considering how logical they try to

Koensol wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

And how do we know how the gods learned the magicka in the first place? Maybe they are more distinct in the first place.

All I can say is that your "I still disagree I think there is lore missing" argument is not really valid. It is your opinion/beliefs, against valid sources from established lore. You stand little chance I am afraid.

Well I have not really studied lore before morrowind anyways so until I see it I am not going to assume, and I think it is completely fair considering how logical they try to make the lore in the first place, it makes way more sense then saying it comes from one place so yes it actually is completely valid. Stand little chance with what? Your opinion? Well no offense but that does not matter to me, I am not expressing this to stand a chance against you lol do not flatter yourself.

I mean no offense either, but you are obviously trying to convince us we are wrong, so what I'm telling you is that as long as you keep using your own beliefs and logic as an argument, you stand little chance of being taken seriously. Also I see you completely disregard the points others have made. You keep repeating your opinion based on what you think makes sense without any basis in the lore, so this discussion is quite pointless. Belief what you want, but don't say something is wrong or doesn't make sense when it is literally documented in the lore.

Emothic

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well I have not really studied lore before morrowind anyways so until I see it I am not going to assume, and I think it is completely fair considering how logical they try to make the lore in the first place, it makes way more sense then saying it comes from one place so yes it actually is completely valid. Stand little chance with what? Your opinion? Well no offense but that does not matter to me, I am not expressing this to stand a chance against you lol do not flatter yourself.

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starkerealm

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

And how do we know how the gods learned the magicka in the first place? Maybe they are more distinct in the first place.

All I can say is that your "I still disagree I think there is lore missing" argument is not really valid. It is your opinion/beliefs, against valid sources from established lore. You stand little chance I am afraid.

Well I have not really studied lore before morrowind anyways so until I see it I am not going to assume, and I think it is completely fair considering how logical they try to

Koensol wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

And how do we know how the gods learned the magicka in the first place? Maybe they are more distinct in the first place.

All I can say is that your "I still disagree I think there is lore missing" argument is not really valid. It is your opinion/beliefs, against valid sources from established lore. You stand little chance I am afraid.

Well I have not really studied lore before morrowind anyways so until I see it I am not going to assume, and I think it is completely fair considering how logical they try to make the lore in the first place, it makes way more sense then saying it comes from one place so yes it actually is completely valid. Stand little chance with what? Your opinion? Well no offense but that does not matter to me, I am not expressing this to stand a chance against you lol do not flatter yourself.

The problem here is, you're trying to present an uninformed opinion as having more value than "factual" data. Most of the people telling you that you're wrong are up to speed on TES's lore. Not necessarily loremasters, but we're not offering uninformed opinions. At worst, we're making a few informed suppositions based on existing information.

When it comes to answering a question where's actual information available, blowing it off and arguing for an uninformed opinion is worth less than a warm bucket of snot. Your choices are to read up and participate, sit back and watch the people who know what they're talking about go at it, or continue to get reamed over being completely off base.

Though, I'll add, saying, "the lore is missing," when it isn't, and the only reason you're coming to that position is that you haven't read it is incredibly disingenuous.

DragonBound

starkerealm wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

And how do we know how the gods learned the magicka in the first place? Maybe they are more distinct in the first place.

All I can say is that your "I still disagree I think there is lore missing" argument is not really valid. It is your opinion/beliefs, against valid sources from established lore. You stand little chance I am afraid.

Well I have not really studied lore before morrowind anyways so until I see it I am not going to assume, and I think it is completely fair considering how logical they try to

Koensol wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

And how do we know how the gods learned the magicka in the first place? Maybe they are more distinct in the first place.

All I can say is that your "I still disagree I think there is lore missing" argument is not really valid. It is your opinion/beliefs, against valid sources from established lore. You stand little chance I am afraid.

Well I have not really studied lore before morrowind anyways so until I see it I am not going to assume, and I think it is completely fair considering how logical they try to make the lore in the first place, it makes way more sense then saying it comes from one place so yes it actually is completely valid. Stand little chance with what? Your opinion? Well no offense but that does not matter to me, I am not expressing this to stand a chance against you lol do not flatter yourself.

The problem here is, you're trying to present an uninformed opinion as having more value than "factual" data. Most of the people telling you that you're wrong are up to speed on TES's lore. Not necessarily loremasters, but we're not offering uninformed opinions. At worst, we're making a few informed suppositions based on existing information.

When it comes to answering a question where's actual information available, blowing it off and arguing for an uninformed opinion is worth less than a warm bucket of snot. Your choices are to read up and participate, sit back and watch the people who know what they're talking about go at it, or continue to get reamed over being completely off base.

Though, I'll add, saying, "the lore is missing," when it isn't, and the only reason you're coming to that position is that you haven't read it is incredibly disingenuous.

How is mine any less uninformed then yours? I am just as aware of the lore aspect of this as you, I am making a logical conclusion within the universe, I am not being reamed over lol, your the only one arguing this with me I can easily put you on ignore and knock you off your high horse your just another person behind a keyboard trying to feel superior with their OPINION.

DragonBound

Koensol wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

And how do we know how the gods learned the magicka in the first place? Maybe they are more distinct in the first place.

All I can say is that your "I still disagree I think there is lore missing" argument is not really valid. It is your opinion/beliefs, against valid sources from established lore. You stand little chance I am afraid.

Well I have not really studied lore before morrowind anyways so until I see it I am not going to assume, and I think it is completely fair considering how logical they try to

Koensol wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

And how do we know how the gods learned the magicka in the first place? Maybe they are more distinct in the first place.

All I can say is that your "I still disagree I think there is lore missing" argument is not really valid. It is your opinion/beliefs, against valid sources from established lore. You stand little chance I am afraid.

Well I have not really studied lore before morrowind anyways so until I see it I am not going to assume, and I think it is completely fair considering how logical they try to make the lore in the first place, it makes way more sense then saying it comes from one place so yes it actually is completely valid. Stand little chance with what? Your opinion? Well no offense but that does not matter to me, I am not expressing this to stand a chance against you lol do not flatter yourself.

I mean no offense either, but you are obviously trying to convince us we are wrong, so what I'm telling you is that as long as you keep using your own beliefs and logic as an argument, you stand little chance of being taken seriously. Also I see you completely disregard the points others have made. You keep repeating your opinion based on what you think makes sense without any basis in the lore, so this discussion is quite pointless. Belief what you want, but don't say something is wrong or doesn't make sense when it is literally documented in the lore.

I did not disregard anything, what I said is the lore is not solid enough to justify that explanation yet, therefor I can make my own conclusion in the mean time if you have a problem with that well then maybe you would be better off not arguing with me about it. And believe what you want but do not tell me my opinion is wrong when this lore is very loose in the first place.

DHale

I pray to the ZOS god please no mooooorrrreeeeee neeeeerrrrrfffffffffsssssss. Thank you sincerely your most loyal and least humble servant.

starkerealm

CosmicSoul wrote: »

How is mine any less uninformed then yours? I am just as aware of the lore aspect of this as you...

Evidently not, or at the very least you weren't paying attention when you read up. If you really want a discussion on TES's mysticism and metaphysics, that is out there, and it is one hell of a headtrip. Thanks in large part to Kirkbride's work. But, it is an established part of the lore. One that mostly starts with Morrowind, ironically.

Your posts in this thread have demonstrated a fundamental lack of understanding for how TES's magic functions, and instead you've been asking questions that suggest you think it operates on a Vancian system, akin to D&D. Hence, your "uninformed opinion."

DragonBound

starkerealm wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

How is mine any less uninformed then yours? I am just as aware of the lore aspect of this as you...

Evidently not, or at the very least you weren't paying attention when you read up. If you really want a discussion on TES's mysticism and metaphysics, that is out there, and it is one hell of a headtrip. Thanks in large part to Kirkbride's work. But, it is an established part of the lore. One that mostly starts with Morrowind, ironically.

Your posts in this thread have demonstrated a fundamental lack of understanding for how TES's magic functions, and instead you've been asking questions that suggest you think it operates on a Vancian system, akin to D&D. Hence, your "uninformed opinion."

Exactly its a headtrip therefor open to many conclusions. And I do not care about your opinion on my knowledge of the lore. Hence your uninformed opinion about me.

Izaki

Mephala.









Lol jk.

I don't think classes worship anyone in particular. Imagine if NBs were worshipping Boethiah (assassinations n stuff), but if the said NB was an Orc. THAT just doesn't make sense as Trinimac got "eaten" by Boethiah and got turned into Malacath. I suspect Malacath doesn't like Boethiah, its kinda common sense lol.

TequilaFire

Well I definitely know who Templars curse!

starkerealm

CosmicSoul wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

How is mine any less uninformed then yours? I am just as aware of the lore aspect of this as you...

Evidently not, or at the very least you weren't paying attention when you read up. If you really want a discussion on TES's mysticism and metaphysics, that is out there, and it is one hell of a headtrip. Thanks in large part to Kirkbride's work. But, it is an established part of the lore. One that mostly starts with Morrowind, ironically.

Your posts in this thread have demonstrated a fundamental lack of understanding for how TES's magic functions, and instead you've been asking questions that suggest you think it operates on a Vancian system, akin to D&D. Hence, your "uninformed opinion."

Exactly its a headtrip therefor open to many conclusions. And I do not care about your opinion on my knowledge of the lore. Hence your uninformed opinion about me.

In some elements, sure. The basic fundamental idea of what magic is, however, is much more clearly delineated. You could make an argument that all of Tamriel is wrong about how magic works... which is basically what you've been doing in this thread. You're certainly welcome to make that argument, but, as with any bold claim, if you want people to take it seriously, you'll need to provide some solid evidence to support it. Evidence you haven't presented (that I've seen.)

Also, my perception of your position has been informed by bulk of your posts over the last four pages. This may have lead to a misunderstanding of what you were trying to say, but it is based on what I've seen from you so far.

DragonBound

starkerealm wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

How is mine any less uninformed then yours? I am just as aware of the lore aspect of this as you...

Evidently not, or at the very least you weren't paying attention when you read up. If you really want a discussion on TES's mysticism and metaphysics, that is out there, and it is one hell of a headtrip. Thanks in large part to Kirkbride's work. But, it is an established part of the lore. One that mostly starts with Morrowind, ironically.

Your posts in this thread have demonstrated a fundamental lack of understanding for how TES's magic functions, and instead you've been asking questions that suggest you think it operates on a Vancian system, akin to D&D. Hence, your "uninformed opinion."

Exactly its a headtrip therefor open to many conclusions. And I do not care about your opinion on my knowledge of the lore. Hence your uninformed opinion about me.

In some elements, sure. The basic fundamental idea of what magic is, however, is much more clearly delineated. You could make an argument that all of Tamriel is wrong about how magic works... which is basically what you've been doing in this thread. You're certainly welcome to make that argument, but, as with any bold claim, if you want people to take it seriously, you'll need to provide some solid evidence to support it. Evidence you haven't presented (that I've seen.)

Also, my perception of your position has been informed by bulk of your posts over the last four pages. This may have lead to a misunderstanding of what you were trying to say, but it is based on what I've seen from you so far.

My posts where fine I appreciate you admitting there might have been a misunderstanding though and I am not here for anyone to take me seriously that does not matter to me, I know what I know and will use it for what I know until it changes.

starkerealm

TequilaFire wrote: »

Well I definitely know who Templars curse!

The Wrobel giveth, and the Wrobel taketh away?

inespeloazul

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

Sorry, but "they look different" is nowhere near enough of an argument for certain kinds of magic to have originated from sources besides Magicka. Casting techniques and channels? Probably. As we've seen from the different schools, casting techniques go a long way to changing the way magicka looks.

The Schools of Magicka as they appear in the single player Elder Scrolls were created in order to simplify spellcasting for the general populace and according to ESO the idea started with the teaching techniques of the Shad Astula academy in Deshaan. In other words, Destruction magic and Nature magic are absolutely the same kind of magic, just shaped differently according to the caster's intentions. The only way they wouldn't be the same kind of magic is if it's explicitly mentioned to have a source of power from outside of Magicka. The Psijiics would say so, and the Mages Guild would agree, as would even the College of Winterhold; it's all Magicka.

The only kinds of magic that have explicitly been shown to be of a non-Magicka origin are the Thu'um, Tonal Architecture, and possibly Shadow Magic (the third of which is apparently utilized by the Nightblades of ESO, and since it draws from your Magicka bar it can be assumed to be largely Magicka). One could also make a case for, well, Daedric Magic, which has shown up several times in the series, but it hasn't been shown one way or another to be Magicka or entirely from the Princes' influence. According to some class skill lines, Meridia empowers certain spells, but it's not really clear whether that's Daedric Magic or just her teachings. (Like the Nightblade's shadow magic, actually)

Like, yeah, not really trying to be rude or anything, it's just that you can't really assert something without being able to back it up.

More on topic, yeah, as the links to the lore books explained Templar magic is stated to be magicka based, so the powers don't originate from some divine being.

Nerouyn

DHale wrote: »

I pray to the ZOS god please no mooooorrrreeeeee neeeeerrrrrfffffffffsssssss. Thank you sincerely your most loyal and least humble servant.

Try Azura. She's married to Zenimax's CEO. Bound to have some influence.

bebynnag

TheShadowScout wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Templars follow the Aedra.

But not exactly any specific - even if the skills are somewhat derived from Stendarr (and as native german speaker, that name always makes me giggle a little...), the divine of justive certainly wouldn't mind if, say, a follower of mara borrowed a little from his magic. As long as it was for a just cause.

you cant say that and not explain it too us!

If you insist...

But sadly, forum rules make that a little difficult.

Let's just say in german, having a "Ständer" refers to a certain part of the male anatomy going to its engorged state... and since that is phonetically pretty much exactly like the divines designation... it leads to a great deal of amusement at the mental images that conjures now and then...

i think that mental image will now live in me too!

DragonBound

inespeloazul wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

Sorry, but "they look different" is nowhere near enough of an argument for certain kinds of magic to have originated from sources besides Magicka. Casting techniques and channels? Probably. As we've seen from the different schools, casting techniques go a long way to changing the way magicka looks.

The Schools of Magicka as they appear in the single player Elder Scrolls were created in order to simplify spellcasting for the general populace and according to ESO the idea started with the teaching techniques of the Shad Astula academy in Deshaan. In other words, Destruction magic and Nature magic are absolutely the same kind of magic, just shaped differently according to the caster's intentions. The only way they wouldn't be the same kind of magic is if it's explicitly mentioned to have a source of power from outside of Magicka. The Psijiics would say so, and the Mages Guild would agree, as would even the College of Winterhold; it's all Magicka.

The only kinds of magic that have explicitly been shown to be of a non-Magicka origin are the Thu'um, Tonal Architecture, and possibly Shadow Magic (the third of which is apparently utilized by the Nightblades of ESO, and since it draws from your Magicka bar it can be assumed to be largely Magicka). One could also make a case for, well, Daedric Magic, which has shown up several times in the series, but it hasn't been shown one way or another to be Magicka or entirely from the Princes' influence. According to some class skill lines, Meridia empowers certain spells, but it's not really clear whether that's Daedric Magic or just her teachings. (Like the Nightblade's shadow magic, actually)

Like, yeah, not really trying to be rude or anything, it's just that you can't really assert something without being able to back it up.

More on topic, yeah, as the links to the lore books explained Templar magic is stated to be magicka based, so the powers don't originate from some divine being.

I disagree a style would not make something look drastically different from illusion magic to fire from destruction, I could go into more detail but to be honest I am a bit tired of arguing about it, so think what you will goodluck.

starkerealm

CosmicSoul wrote: »

inespeloazul wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

Sorry, but "they look different" is nowhere near enough of an argument for certain kinds of magic to have originated from sources besides Magicka. Casting techniques and channels? Probably. As we've seen from the different schools, casting techniques go a long way to changing the way magicka looks.

The Schools of Magicka as they appear in the single player Elder Scrolls were created in order to simplify spellcasting for the general populace and according to ESO the idea started with the teaching techniques of the Shad Astula academy in Deshaan. In other words, Destruction magic and Nature magic are absolutely the same kind of magic, just shaped differently according to the caster's intentions. The only way they wouldn't be the same kind of magic is if it's explicitly mentioned to have a source of power from outside of Magicka. The Psijiics would say so, and the Mages Guild would agree, as would even the College of Winterhold; it's all Magicka.

The only kinds of magic that have explicitly been shown to be of a non-Magicka origin are the Thu'um, Tonal Architecture, and possibly Shadow Magic (the third of which is apparently utilized by the Nightblades of ESO, and since it draws from your Magicka bar it can be assumed to be largely Magicka). One could also make a case for, well, Daedric Magic, which has shown up several times in the series, but it hasn't been shown one way or another to be Magicka or entirely from the Princes' influence. According to some class skill lines, Meridia empowers certain spells, but it's not really clear whether that's Daedric Magic or just her teachings. (Like the Nightblade's shadow magic, actually)

Like, yeah, not really trying to be rude or anything, it's just that you can't really assert something without being able to back it up.

More on topic, yeah, as the links to the lore books explained Templar magic is stated to be magicka based, so the powers don't originate from some divine being.

I disagree a style would not make something look drastically different from illusion magic to fire from destruction, I could go into more detail but to be honest I am a bit tired of arguing about it, so think what you will goodluck.

...and this is what irks me about this thread. There's an interesting discussion to be had. But, whenever someone tries to actually dig in, you duck out.



For what it's worth, I think ESO's Nightblades' shadow magic is just a mix of spells that would later get codified into Illusion, Alteration and Destruction, rather than a unique kind of magic. (Which, ironically, correlates to the Nightblade's class skills in Morrowind.)

DragonBound

starkerealm wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

inespeloazul wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

Sorry, but "they look different" is nowhere near enough of an argument for certain kinds of magic to have originated from sources besides Magicka. Casting techniques and channels? Probably. As we've seen from the different schools, casting techniques go a long way to changing the way magicka looks.

The Schools of Magicka as they appear in the single player Elder Scrolls were created in order to simplify spellcasting for the general populace and according to ESO the idea started with the teaching techniques of the Shad Astula academy in Deshaan. In other words, Destruction magic and Nature magic are absolutely the same kind of magic, just shaped differently according to the caster's intentions. The only way they wouldn't be the same kind of magic is if it's explicitly mentioned to have a source of power from outside of Magicka. The Psijiics would say so, and the Mages Guild would agree, as would even the College of Winterhold; it's all Magicka.

The only kinds of magic that have explicitly been shown to be of a non-Magicka origin are the Thu'um, Tonal Architecture, and possibly Shadow Magic (the third of which is apparently utilized by the Nightblades of ESO, and since it draws from your Magicka bar it can be assumed to be largely Magicka). One could also make a case for, well, Daedric Magic, which has shown up several times in the series, but it hasn't been shown one way or another to be Magicka or entirely from the Princes' influence. According to some class skill lines, Meridia empowers certain spells, but it's not really clear whether that's Daedric Magic or just her teachings. (Like the Nightblade's shadow magic, actually)

Like, yeah, not really trying to be rude or anything, it's just that you can't really assert something without being able to back it up.

More on topic, yeah, as the links to the lore books explained Templar magic is stated to be magicka based, so the powers don't originate from some divine being.

I disagree a style would not make something look drastically different from illusion magic to fire from destruction, I could go into more detail but to be honest I am a bit tired of arguing about it, so think what you will goodluck.

...and this is what irks me about this thread. There's an interesting discussion to be had. But, whenever someone tries to actually dig in, you duck out.



For what it's worth, I think ESO's Nightblades' shadow magic is just a mix of spells that would later get codified into Illusion, Alteration and Destruction, rather than a unique kind of magic. (Which, ironically, correlates to the Nightblade's class skills in Morrowind.)

What are you talking about? I just now dug out, people have been trying to dig in for a while, it is not my fault I am debating with some who cannot get off their high horse unlike you I am not doing this for ego, and it is my thread I will do as I wish.

MythicEmperor

I like to think that Dunmer Templar's spears are influenced by MUATRA.

MythicEmperor

starkerealm wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

Orc

Pork

fork

folk

Tolk...ien

Etienne_et_Isabeau

The Templars pray to The Developers. These are the Overdeities that the Eight (Nine?) Divines answer to.