Are templars praying to anyone specific in the lore?

Francis_Toliver

ArchMikem wrote: »

The following are Templar abilities descriptions:

Radial Sweep: "Swing your Aedric spear around with holy vengeance."

Focused Charge: "Charge with your divine lance to impale an enemy"

Spear Shards: "Send your spear into the heavens to bring down a shower of divine wrath"

Restoring Aura: "Champion the cause of divine glory to earn the gods' favor."

Cleansing Ritual: "Exalt in the sacred light of the Aedra"

There are many references to the Divines and the Aedra, but nothing to a specific God.

In earlier patches Meridia is mentioned by name as well, but in the current patch "the gods" are referenced.

The name "Aedric Spear" for the Templars first skill line is by definition a reference to the eight divines. The repeated references in the Templar's second skill line of "sun, dawns wrath, etc, could easily be associated with Meridia, and in fact this is where Meridia was mentioned in past patches.

Hope that helps.

Enslaved

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Where do Khajiit Templars get their power from ?

Wrobel

SublimeSparo

Ignore

Koensol

AzuraKin wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

While "Aedric Spear" would imply the Eight Divines, I tend to consider my Dunmer Templar a follower of the Tribunal Temple. Of course, since the Tribunal's powers are borrowed stolen from Lorkhan, in a sense he still follows the Aedra.

As for my Argonian Templar, I would argue that the Hist are et'Ada, which makes them approximately Aedra. But really, I just consider him a follower of the Eight. After all, in Oblivion, we saw plenty of Argonians at the temples of the Nine.

lorkhan is actually aedric and daedric. lorkhan was part of the creation of nirn thus he is aedric, but he did so by decieving his brethren into helping him thus he created it by corrupting that which was already there, thus he is daedric. also lorkhan is the heart of nirn so one can say nirn is the daedric realm of lorkhan.

The fact he corrupted that which was already there, does not make him a daedra. The daedra are those who did not offer a piece of themselves in the creation of Nirn. Daedra means "not our ancestor". They are still at their full immortal power, and can change what they want to in their OWN realm. Outside of their own realm, they have no real power of change. This is why they need a mortal champion to do their will.

The aedra are weakened, because they gave up part of themself to create nirn. So their fate is bound to it. They care what happens to it. Daedra are indifferent and see it more as a fun play ground and a chance to prove their superiority to the other daedra.

Anyway, I suppose each Templar can worship whoever he or she wants, but the essence of their magicks are primarily reminiscent of Stendarr. All magic comes from Aetherius, through the sun, but it can carry the identity of a certain deity in the way it is wielded. The templar skill trees are about a balance of healing (mercy) and destruction (bringing justice). Hence why Stendarr is the primary god it is related to.

TheShadowScout

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Where do Khajiit Templars get their power from ?

Nekomancy?

FoolishHuman

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

And while I see your point, I do not see how a prayer suddenly is a technique of summoning it from a source of another plane of existence rather then some god guiding it to you since in a prayer your asking not directing.

You are not summoning magic from another sorce. The other sorce is in a literal sense shining down on nirn. Okay lets look at it like this. The third plain is a battery and it produces/stores electricity. The plain of Mundus is a light bulb. And finally the holes in the Mundus plain that bypasses Oblivion and leads to this third plain is the copper wire that allows electricity to flow through it. So when you connect all three of them. The battery that has the power sends it through the copper wire, which is connected to the light bulb and is able to turn that light bulb on.

If these holes in the mortal plain did not exisist. Then mortals whould not be able to cast magic, it is because of these holes that magic is even possible. The Aedra and Dedra are not capable of giving mortal magic. Espically Dedra, as dedra do not have the power or the ability to create new things as by lore of the game. And the Aedra are not powerful enough to give mortals magic as they lost almost all of theirs during the creation of Mundus and Nirn.

Now when an individual is praying to a god, they are simply asking for help. The indvidual is already capable of casting that spell, but asking help from the god can make it more powerful. The gods only help make the spell more powerful when prayed too, that is if they even decide to help. The Aedra are not powerful enough to give all mortal kind, the planet nirn, and even the plane of Mundus magical powers. The Aedra are so weak they can't even go to oblivon. Not only that, but Aedra are so weak they are all actually always asleep. Now when I say weak I mean weak as in their standards not mortal standards.
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If you're still confused check out this youtube video. Now I'm typing on my Xbox One so I can't copy and past links but go to youtube and look up the youtube channel: " Decadence Knight " and look for this video "The Dawn Era - The Elder Scrolls Lore".

I am not confused I do not think you are understanding, battery or not it is still coming from one source according to these claims, also when it comes to healing and etc, who is to say they already know how to do this? Also considering they are making it more powerful maybe they are doing more then just that and asking for that specific kind of energy, for all we know it could start out as some neutral energy and it is purified by whom they pray to.

There are no different types of energy, there is only magicka that comes from Aetherius. Everyone that casts a spell needs this, even daedra lords.
The Divines are dead, they died when they created Nirn. You need to stop thinking of the Eight Divines as deities. They are the embodiment of the natural laws, not guardian gods that watch over the people. Life and death, time, logic, nature, understanding; look at what these "gods" represent, they are not gods in the sense of other fantasy worlds or our world.

DragonBound

FoolishHuman wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

And while I see your point, I do not see how a prayer suddenly is a technique of summoning it from a source of another plane of existence rather then some god guiding it to you since in a prayer your asking not directing.

You are not summoning magic from another sorce. The other sorce is in a literal sense shining down on nirn. Okay lets look at it like this. The third plain is a battery and it produces/stores electricity. The plain of Mundus is a light bulb. And finally the holes in the Mundus plain that bypasses Oblivion and leads to this third plain is the copper wire that allows electricity to flow through it. So when you connect all three of them. The battery that has the power sends it through the copper wire, which is connected to the light bulb and is able to turn that light bulb on.

If these holes in the mortal plain did not exisist. Then mortals whould not be able to cast magic, it is because of these holes that magic is even possible. The Aedra and Dedra are not capable of giving mortal magic. Espically Dedra, as dedra do not have the power or the ability to create new things as by lore of the game. And the Aedra are not powerful enough to give mortals magic as they lost almost all of theirs during the creation of Mundus and Nirn.

Now when an individual is praying to a god, they are simply asking for help. The indvidual is already capable of casting that spell, but asking help from the god can make it more powerful. The gods only help make the spell more powerful when prayed too, that is if they even decide to help. The Aedra are not powerful enough to give all mortal kind, the planet nirn, and even the plane of Mundus magical powers. The Aedra are so weak they can't even go to oblivon. Not only that, but Aedra are so weak they are all actually always asleep. Now when I say weak I mean weak as in their standards not mortal standards.
~~~

If you're still confused check out this youtube video. Now I'm typing on my Xbox One so I can't copy and past links but go to youtube and look up the youtube channel: " Decadence Knight " and look for this video "The Dawn Era - The Elder Scrolls Lore".

I am not confused I do not think you are understanding, battery or not it is still coming from one source according to these claims, also when it comes to healing and etc, who is to say they already know how to do this? Also considering they are making it more powerful maybe they are doing more then just that and asking for that specific kind of energy, for all we know it could start out as some neutral energy and it is purified by whom they pray to.

There are no different types of energy, there is only magicka that comes from Aetherius. Everyone that casts a spell needs this, even daedra lords.
The Divines are dead, they died when they created Nirn. You need to stop thinking of the Eight Divines as deities. They are the embodiment of the natural laws, not guardian gods that watch over the people. Life and death, time, logic, nature, understanding; look at what these "gods" represent, they are not gods in the sense of other fantasy worlds or our world.

I did not say they are stop making assumptions and you do not know if they are dead for sure they can come back and they very well can be deities again more assumptions, also if it was all just simply magic it would all look the same but they are not because they come from different sources, this is why deadric princes have different powers. And considering the very lore calls them gods in the first place shows you really do not know what your saying here.

FoolishHuman

CosmicSoul wrote: »

FoolishHuman wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

And while I see your point, I do not see how a prayer suddenly is a technique of summoning it from a source of another plane of existence rather then some god guiding it to you since in a prayer your asking not directing.

You are not summoning magic from another sorce. The other sorce is in a literal sense shining down on nirn. Okay lets look at it like this. The third plain is a battery and it produces/stores electricity. The plain of Mundus is a light bulb. And finally the holes in the Mundus plain that bypasses Oblivion and leads to this third plain is the copper wire that allows electricity to flow through it. So when you connect all three of them. The battery that has the power sends it through the copper wire, which is connected to the light bulb and is able to turn that light bulb on.

If these holes in the mortal plain did not exisist. Then mortals whould not be able to cast magic, it is because of these holes that magic is even possible. The Aedra and Dedra are not capable of giving mortal magic. Espically Dedra, as dedra do not have the power or the ability to create new things as by lore of the game. And the Aedra are not powerful enough to give mortals magic as they lost almost all of theirs during the creation of Mundus and Nirn.

Now when an individual is praying to a god, they are simply asking for help. The indvidual is already capable of casting that spell, but asking help from the god can make it more powerful. The gods only help make the spell more powerful when prayed too, that is if they even decide to help. The Aedra are not powerful enough to give all mortal kind, the planet nirn, and even the plane of Mundus magical powers. The Aedra are so weak they can't even go to oblivon. Not only that, but Aedra are so weak they are all actually always asleep. Now when I say weak I mean weak as in their standards not mortal standards.
~~~

If you're still confused check out this youtube video. Now I'm typing on my Xbox One so I can't copy and past links but go to youtube and look up the youtube channel: " Decadence Knight " and look for this video "The Dawn Era - The Elder Scrolls Lore".

I am not confused I do not think you are understanding, battery or not it is still coming from one source according to these claims, also when it comes to healing and etc, who is to say they already know how to do this? Also considering they are making it more powerful maybe they are doing more then just that and asking for that specific kind of energy, for all we know it could start out as some neutral energy and it is purified by whom they pray to.

There are no different types of energy, there is only magicka that comes from Aetherius. Everyone that casts a spell needs this, even daedra lords.
The Divines are dead, they died when they created Nirn. You need to stop thinking of the Eight Divines as deities. They are the embodiment of the natural laws, not guardian gods that watch over the people. Life and death, time, logic, nature, understanding; look at what these "gods" represent, they are not gods in the sense of other fantasy worlds or our world.

I did not say they are stop making assumptions and you do not know if they are dead for sure they can come back and they very well can be deities again another assumptions, also if it was all just simply magic it would all look the same but they are not because they come from different sources, this is why deadric princes have different powers. And considering the very lore calls them gods in the first place shows you really do not know what your saying here.

The people call them gods. There is a difference between the religion of the Eight Divines and the actual entities. I am not making assumptions, I played all the games since Daggerfall and read the books in them. This is what I got from it. Believe it or not, but the simple fact that you are using a resource called "Magicka" to cast all spells in the game (in all the ES games) and not "Divine Power" or something similar, no matter if you are a Nightblade, Sorcerer or Templar should be a clue that these spells are not too different from one another. And it's the same if you are a Daedra or whatever, they just have a bigger Magicka pool and more knowledge of exotic spells (being alive thousands of years does that).

WillhelmBlack

Eric Wrobel. Every patch.

starkerealm

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Where do Khajiit Templars get their power from ?

Catnip and moonsugar. You know this, @Rohamad_Ali.

starkerealm

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I see one person type this is not D&D.

Well, it's not. D&D uses a Vancian magical system. The Elder Scrolls does not.

Jemcrystal wrote: »

Yet many people calling out "dark elves" (instead of saying Dunmer)...

Yeah, that is the Imperial name for the Dunmer after all.

Jemcrystal wrote: »

...as if there is something oddly demented about them that they should have trouble with light magic.

Granted, I haven't been paying a lot of attention to this thread. But the only examples I've seen that come close to that were people who suggested their Dunmer were drawing power from the ALMSIVI, rather than the Eight Divines. Which is entirely reasonable from a roleplaying stance. Just like you could have a Nord templar who prays to Shor, or an Altmer praying to Auriel. Not because they have some light sensitivity, but because they have their own unique religion with its own gods.

Thing is, for The Elder Scrolls, it does not matter. Their ability to cast magic isn't governed by divine fiat. Their ability to cast magic is a personal power.

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I am not a legalist. I don't have a problem mixing up lores. But ... LOTR, Wizards of the Coast, Narnia, and Brother's Grimm are in everything. And I'm seeing it very prevalent in ES. So much so either the writers were highly influenced or they intended to give us R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms fans a place to roost in ES games.

It's probably worth remembering that The Elder Scrolls did begin its life as a D&D homebrew campaign. It has come a long way from its roots, but there is that shared history. That said, it is a different setting, now.

Ironically, I wouldn't give Salvatore much credit for Forgotten Realms. He worked on it, but the setting lacks the kind of weirdness he tends to inject into his own work. It's not like Weiss and Hickman on Dragonlance, or Monte Cook's work on Planescape for instance.

Emothic

FoolishHuman wrote: »

There are no different types of energy, there is only magicka that comes from Aetherius. Everyone that casts a spell needs this, even daedra lords.
The Divines are dead, they died when they created Nirn. You need to stop thinking of the Eight Divines as deities. They are the embodiment of the natural laws, not guardian gods that watch over the people. Life and death, time, logic, nature, understanding; look at what these "gods" represent, they are not gods in the sense of other fantasy worlds or our world.

From what I understand the Divines are not dead. They are sleeping. Some say that at the ending of Elderscrolls Marrowind, a dragonbreak happend causing all possible pasts, presents, and future to happen. It is believed that this happend because Akatosh slightly woken from his sleep and caused this anomally to happen.

As well after the creation of nirn and the meeting of "The Covanant" of which was to deal with Lorkhan. The Aedra went off to create their own "relms" which is seen as the 8 planets that habit the universe with Nirn.

FoolishHuman

Emothic wrote: »

FoolishHuman wrote: »

There are no different types of energy, there is only magicka that comes from Aetherius. Everyone that casts a spell needs this, even daedra lords.
The Divines are dead, they died when they created Nirn. You need to stop thinking of the Eight Divines as deities. They are the embodiment of the natural laws, not guardian gods that watch over the people. Life and death, time, logic, nature, understanding; look at what these "gods" represent, they are not gods in the sense of other fantasy worlds or our world.

From what I understand the Divines are not dead. They are sleeping. Some say that at the ending of Elderscrolls Marrowind, a dragonbreak happend causing all possible pasts, presents, and future to happen. It is believed that this happend because Akatosh slightly woken from his sleep and caused this anomally to happen.

As well after the creation of nirn and the meeting of "The Covanant" of which was to deal with Lorkhan. The Aedra went off to create their own "relms" which is seen as the 8 planets that habit the universe with Nirn.

I was under the impression this was basically the same thing. Vivec tells you in Morrowind that when he dies it's like he just goes to "the other side", like he closes his eyes to sleep and knows he can open them up anytime to get back again. That's the kind of "dead" I meant.

Emothic

FoolishHuman wrote: »

I was under the impression this was basically the same thing. Vivec tells you in Morrowind that when he dies it's like he just goes to "the other side", like he closes his eyes to sleep and knows he can open them up anytime to get back again. That's the kind of "dead" I meant.

Well this is something that becomes complicated to understand, espically in the terms we used. As in a term could possibly be a metaphor, literal, or have different "understandings" about them. What I mean by understandings is when I use the word Weak. As in the 8 divines lost most of their powers and are weak. So the misunderstanding is that when we use the word weak, many will think they have no ability to effect much of anything. When in really it means they are weak compared to the daedra, but still powerful enough to destory Mundus.

Now I think Vivec was speaking in a metaphor in order for the players character to understand what he means. As stated before the mortal mind is unable to comprehend anything on the "god" level. So Vivec could be talking to them so that the player is capabable of understanding. Now Vivec is actually classified as a "living god". He has the powers like that of the Aedra, but he is still mortal. So when he says that when he dies, I believe he is reffering to his mortal self. And when his mortal self die's his godlike self will go to sleep, but is able to wake up.

EnglishNorwegian

If you read the book Stendarr's Spear in the game you receive a rank up in you aedric spear skill line. So I'm going to have to go with Stendarr.

EnglishNorwegian

KramUzibra wrote: »

Akatosh

Nah. That's a Dragonknight's thing. Templars are more for Stendarr.

starkerealm

EnglishNorwegian wrote: »

KramUzibra wrote: »

Akatosh

Nah. That's a Dragonknight's thing. Templars are more for Stendarr.

It's not that far fetched. We have a Chosen of Akatosh in game who's a Templar.

ArchMikem

Emothic wrote: »

Some of you said that the Divines, the 8 gods, grants mortals magical powers. This is incorrect. Magic comes from another plain of existence. A plane that is outside of both the Mortal plain of Mundas, and the immortal plain of Oblivion. I can't remember what this third plain is called, but it is where magic comes from.

You're looking for "Aetherius". All Magic in the Mundus comes through the hole Magnus tore open.

starkerealm

ArchMikem wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

Some of you said that the Divines, the 8 gods, grants mortals magical powers. This is incorrect. Magic comes from another plain of existence. A plane that is outside of both the Mortal plain of Mundas, and the immortal plain of Oblivion. I can't remember what this third plain is called, but it is where magic comes from.

You're looking for "Aetherius". All Magic in the Mundus comes through the hole Magnus tore open.

"That's right, lick the Shard of Aetherius. Lick the SKYSHARD ************!"

But, yeah, that is where the skyshards are from, if we can trust the Prophet's description of them in the tutorial.

TheShadowScout

starkerealm wrote: »

"That's right, lick the Shard of Aetherius. Lick the SKYSHARD ************!"

"...It rubs the skyshard on its skin?"

AhPook_Is_Here

My templar prays to the non-denominational, sexless, safe space also known as "the light" as seen in other MMOs like WOW.

DragonBound

FoolishHuman wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

FoolishHuman wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

And while I see your point, I do not see how a prayer suddenly is a technique of summoning it from a source of another plane of existence rather then some god guiding it to you since in a prayer your asking not directing.

You are not summoning magic from another sorce. The other sorce is in a literal sense shining down on nirn. Okay lets look at it like this. The third plain is a battery and it produces/stores electricity. The plain of Mundus is a light bulb. And finally the holes in the Mundus plain that bypasses Oblivion and leads to this third plain is the copper wire that allows electricity to flow through it. So when you connect all three of them. The battery that has the power sends it through the copper wire, which is connected to the light bulb and is able to turn that light bulb on.

If these holes in the mortal plain did not exisist. Then mortals whould not be able to cast magic, it is because of these holes that magic is even possible. The Aedra and Dedra are not capable of giving mortal magic. Espically Dedra, as dedra do not have the power or the ability to create new things as by lore of the game. And the Aedra are not powerful enough to give mortals magic as they lost almost all of theirs during the creation of Mundus and Nirn.

Now when an individual is praying to a god, they are simply asking for help. The indvidual is already capable of casting that spell, but asking help from the god can make it more powerful. The gods only help make the spell more powerful when prayed too, that is if they even decide to help. The Aedra are not powerful enough to give all mortal kind, the planet nirn, and even the plane of Mundus magical powers. The Aedra are so weak they can't even go to oblivon. Not only that, but Aedra are so weak they are all actually always asleep. Now when I say weak I mean weak as in their standards not mortal standards.
~~~

If you're still confused check out this youtube video. Now I'm typing on my Xbox One so I can't copy and past links but go to youtube and look up the youtube channel: " Decadence Knight " and look for this video "The Dawn Era - The Elder Scrolls Lore".

I am not confused I do not think you are understanding, battery or not it is still coming from one source according to these claims, also when it comes to healing and etc, who is to say they already know how to do this? Also considering they are making it more powerful maybe they are doing more then just that and asking for that specific kind of energy, for all we know it could start out as some neutral energy and it is purified by whom they pray to.

There are no different types of energy, there is only magicka that comes from Aetherius. Everyone that casts a spell needs this, even daedra lords.
The Divines are dead, they died when they created Nirn. You need to stop thinking of the Eight Divines as deities. They are the embodiment of the natural laws, not guardian gods that watch over the people. Life and death, time, logic, nature, understanding; look at what these "gods" represent, they are not gods in the sense of other fantasy worlds or our world.

I did not say they are stop making assumptions and you do not know if they are dead for sure they can come back and they very well can be deities again another assumptions, also if it was all just simply magic it would all look the same but they are not because they come from different sources, this is why deadric princes have different powers. And considering the very lore calls them gods in the first place shows you really do not know what your saying here.

The people call them gods. There is a difference between the religion of the Eight Divines and the actual entities. I am not making assumptions, I played all the games since Daggerfall and read the books in them. This is what I got from it. Believe it or not, but the simple fact that you are using a resource called "Magicka" to cast all spells in the game (in all the ES games) and not "Divine Power" or something similar, no matter if you are a Nightblade, Sorcerer or Templar should be a clue that these spells are not too different from one another. And it's the same if you are a Daedra or whatever, they just have a bigger Magicka pool and more knowledge of exotic spells (being alive thousands of years does that).

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

starkerealm

TheShadowScout wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

"That's right, lick the Shard of Aetherius. Lick the SKYSHARD ************!"

"...It rubs the skyshard on its skin?"

Man, Argonians are weird.

starkerealm

CosmicSoul wrote: »

FoolishHuman wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

FoolishHuman wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

And while I see your point, I do not see how a prayer suddenly is a technique of summoning it from a source of another plane of existence rather then some god guiding it to you since in a prayer your asking not directing.

You are not summoning magic from another sorce. The other sorce is in a literal sense shining down on nirn. Okay lets look at it like this. The third plain is a battery and it produces/stores electricity. The plain of Mundus is a light bulb. And finally the holes in the Mundus plain that bypasses Oblivion and leads to this third plain is the copper wire that allows electricity to flow through it. So when you connect all three of them. The battery that has the power sends it through the copper wire, which is connected to the light bulb and is able to turn that light bulb on.

If these holes in the mortal plain did not exisist. Then mortals whould not be able to cast magic, it is because of these holes that magic is even possible. The Aedra and Dedra are not capable of giving mortal magic. Espically Dedra, as dedra do not have the power or the ability to create new things as by lore of the game. And the Aedra are not powerful enough to give mortals magic as they lost almost all of theirs during the creation of Mundus and Nirn.

Now when an individual is praying to a god, they are simply asking for help. The indvidual is already capable of casting that spell, but asking help from the god can make it more powerful. The gods only help make the spell more powerful when prayed too, that is if they even decide to help. The Aedra are not powerful enough to give all mortal kind, the planet nirn, and even the plane of Mundus magical powers. The Aedra are so weak they can't even go to oblivon. Not only that, but Aedra are so weak they are all actually always asleep. Now when I say weak I mean weak as in their standards not mortal standards.
~~~

If you're still confused check out this youtube video. Now I'm typing on my Xbox One so I can't copy and past links but go to youtube and look up the youtube channel: " Decadence Knight " and look for this video "The Dawn Era - The Elder Scrolls Lore".

I am not confused I do not think you are understanding, battery or not it is still coming from one source according to these claims, also when it comes to healing and etc, who is to say they already know how to do this? Also considering they are making it more powerful maybe they are doing more then just that and asking for that specific kind of energy, for all we know it could start out as some neutral energy and it is purified by whom they pray to.

There are no different types of energy, there is only magicka that comes from Aetherius. Everyone that casts a spell needs this, even daedra lords.
The Divines are dead, they died when they created Nirn. You need to stop thinking of the Eight Divines as deities. They are the embodiment of the natural laws, not guardian gods that watch over the people. Life and death, time, logic, nature, understanding; look at what these "gods" represent, they are not gods in the sense of other fantasy worlds or our world.

I did not say they are stop making assumptions and you do not know if they are dead for sure they can come back and they very well can be deities again another assumptions, also if it was all just simply magic it would all look the same but they are not because they come from different sources, this is why deadric princes have different powers. And considering the very lore calls them gods in the first place shows you really do not know what your saying here.

The people call them gods. There is a difference between the religion of the Eight Divines and the actual entities. I am not making assumptions, I played all the games since Daggerfall and read the books in them. This is what I got from it. Believe it or not, but the simple fact that you are using a resource called "Magicka" to cast all spells in the game (in all the ES games) and not "Divine Power" or something similar, no matter if you are a Nightblade, Sorcerer or Templar should be a clue that these spells are not too different from one another. And it's the same if you are a Daedra or whatever, they just have a bigger Magicka pool and more knowledge of exotic spells (being alive thousands of years does that).

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

Similar spells have similar visuals. In the single player games, that's usually meant that the various spell schools have similar visual themes. Here, however, it suggests that the classes in ESO are a different organizational pattern of (sometimes distantly) related spells. It's also distinctly possible that the way a given caster approaches a spell affects how it appears visually, which would explain why spells that have switched schools in the single player games got new visuals, and why the classes in ESO have unified visual themes for each.

Emothic

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Koensol

CosmicSoul wrote: »

FoolishHuman wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

FoolishHuman wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

And while I see your point, I do not see how a prayer suddenly is a technique of summoning it from a source of another plane of existence rather then some god guiding it to you since in a prayer your asking not directing.

You are not summoning magic from another sorce. The other sorce is in a literal sense shining down on nirn. Okay lets look at it like this. The third plain is a battery and it produces/stores electricity. The plain of Mundus is a light bulb. And finally the holes in the Mundus plain that bypasses Oblivion and leads to this third plain is the copper wire that allows electricity to flow through it. So when you connect all three of them. The battery that has the power sends it through the copper wire, which is connected to the light bulb and is able to turn that light bulb on.

If these holes in the mortal plain did not exisist. Then mortals whould not be able to cast magic, it is because of these holes that magic is even possible. The Aedra and Dedra are not capable of giving mortal magic. Espically Dedra, as dedra do not have the power or the ability to create new things as by lore of the game. And the Aedra are not powerful enough to give mortals magic as they lost almost all of theirs during the creation of Mundus and Nirn.

Now when an individual is praying to a god, they are simply asking for help. The indvidual is already capable of casting that spell, but asking help from the god can make it more powerful. The gods only help make the spell more powerful when prayed too, that is if they even decide to help. The Aedra are not powerful enough to give all mortal kind, the planet nirn, and even the plane of Mundus magical powers. The Aedra are so weak they can't even go to oblivon. Not only that, but Aedra are so weak they are all actually always asleep. Now when I say weak I mean weak as in their standards not mortal standards.
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If you're still confused check out this youtube video. Now I'm typing on my Xbox One so I can't copy and past links but go to youtube and look up the youtube channel: " Decadence Knight " and look for this video "The Dawn Era - The Elder Scrolls Lore".

I am not confused I do not think you are understanding, battery or not it is still coming from one source according to these claims, also when it comes to healing and etc, who is to say they already know how to do this? Also considering they are making it more powerful maybe they are doing more then just that and asking for that specific kind of energy, for all we know it could start out as some neutral energy and it is purified by whom they pray to.

There are no different types of energy, there is only magicka that comes from Aetherius. Everyone that casts a spell needs this, even daedra lords.
The Divines are dead, they died when they created Nirn. You need to stop thinking of the Eight Divines as deities. They are the embodiment of the natural laws, not guardian gods that watch over the people. Life and death, time, logic, nature, understanding; look at what these "gods" represent, they are not gods in the sense of other fantasy worlds or our world.

I did not say they are stop making assumptions and you do not know if they are dead for sure they can come back and they very well can be deities again another assumptions, also if it was all just simply magic it would all look the same but they are not because they come from different sources, this is why deadric princes have different powers. And considering the very lore calls them gods in the first place shows you really do not know what your saying here.

The people call them gods. There is a difference between the religion of the Eight Divines and the actual entities. I am not making assumptions, I played all the games since Daggerfall and read the books in them. This is what I got from it. Believe it or not, but the simple fact that you are using a resource called "Magicka" to cast all spells in the game (in all the ES games) and not "Divine Power" or something similar, no matter if you are a Nightblade, Sorcerer or Templar should be a clue that these spells are not too different from one another. And it's the same if you are a Daedra or whatever, they just have a bigger Magicka pool and more knowledge of exotic spells (being alive thousands of years does that).

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

I suggest you read up a bit more about the lore You kind of need to see the universe (Aurbis) of elder scrolls like some sort of multi layered sphere. Here are some nice visualizations of it:
1. http://www.gamer.ru/system/attached_images/images/000/582/712/original/cosmology_of_nirn.jpg
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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/15/150339/3871238-5487733178-tumbl.png
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http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/elderscrolls/images/c/c6/The_Aurbis.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140712042040
Especially the last link gives a lot of insight. The order goes like this: Void, Aetherius, Oblivion, Mundus, Nirn.

Aetherius is the plane of magicka. Because there is a hole torn in there by Magnus, after Nirn was created, magicka becomes available to the inhabitants of Nirn. It is the one and only source of magick for those who live on Nirn.

Kodrac

TheShadowScout wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

"That's right, lick the Shard of Aetherius. Lick the SKYSHARD ************!"

"...It rubs the skyshard on its skin?"

Or it gets the hose again!

Aurielle

Aedra schmaedra. My templar prays to RNGesus.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

They are praying not to get nerfed.

DragonBound

Emothic wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Well as others said they are sleeping, they are real and not just concepts anyways so in essence they are gods, I still disagree it all comes from one place, that does not even remotely make sense because how different each kind of magicka look, it also does not explain powers of the night mother for example and other deadric princes, powers in tamriel are worlds apart.

It doesn't make sense because you are trying to use "spells" as the basis of your argument. Spells are a result of magicka, they are not the cause of magicka. Meaning that the plain of Aethrues gives me magicka and as a result I can now cast spells. They 8 gods do not have the power to give mortals magica. They have the power to teach their spells and conjurations. But they cannot give every single mortal the ability to cast magicka. As I said before, if there is no hole in the plain of Mundus, then your character will not have a blue magicka bar. Regardless of the 8 gods, they're not powerful enough to give you that blue bar, only the hole to Aethreus can.

Also as I read this comment quote from you. It sounds like you have never played any of the other Elder Scrolls games. Is Elder Scrolls Online your first game? Because if you played Morrowind, Oblivion, and even Skyrim. You would know that there are dozens if not hundreds of different kinds of magic. Also there are going to be vast differences because even though there are only 8 Aedra, there are thousands of Deadra. Of which pretty much 99% of deadra just keeps to themselves and doesn't interfere with mortal plain.

Well of course there are different schools of magic. that does not make my point any less important in fact it proves it more, and no this is not my first elder scrolls. And I still disagree I think there is lore missing to explain some of this it still does not make sense that they look vastly different. That is like saying nature magic and destruction magic are in fact they same when they are not and have completely different intentions and related creation behind them, it would make more sense of a god was behind certain magics.

And how do we know how the gods learned the magicka in the first place? Maybe they are more distinct in the first place.