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Agressive Warhorn additive bonus. Can someone explain ?

Juhasow
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So in patch notes we have this
Major Force: This buff category’s Critical Damage bonus is now an additive bonus instead of a multiplicative one (consistent with all other Critical Damage bonuses), but its value has been reduced to a 15% Critical Damage bonus to compensate from 30%. Total Critical Damage bonus from this buff remains unchanged.

Can anyone explain excatly how this changes current multiplications of critical dmg bonuses ? I am talking here about example of calculations which will show how to add this 15% bonus to equation.
Edited by Juhasow on January 6, 2017 4:02AM
  • Juhasow
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    Edited
    Edited by Juhasow on January 6, 2017 3:59AM
  • SublimeSparo
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    Base Damage = 1.0
    Base critical hit damage (chd) modifier is 0.5
    Total Base chd is 1.5
    Major force used to be x30%
    0.5*30%= 0.15
    1.5+0.15=1.65
    New major force adds 0.15
    1.5+0.15= 1.65

    But in reality this is some major ***
    Nb's and templar have base chd of 1.6. 1.0+(0.6*30%) =/= 1.5+0.15
    Minor force is .12 (possibly .10 in new patch iirc)
    People run cp in elfborn/precise strikes
    Shadow mundus is 18%? ish

    chd for templar/nb running minor force, shadow, 10% cp in elfborn/precise strikes
    1.5+0.1+0.12+0.18+.10= 2.0
    1.0+(1.0*30%)=2.3 > 2.0+0.15 = 2.15
    2.3 > 2.15
    So for an average trialist the Major force buff is around 50% less effective

    Edit the maths is numerically wrong but the jist is the same
    Edit 2 @Asayre help! (If you still play this game)
    Edit3 fixed the maths
    Edited by SublimeSparo on January 6, 2017 5:51AM
    PS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
    vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
    4th Console vMOL clear,
    vMA cleared on all classes stam & magic

    My Tribe
    EU
    High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
    Wood Sparo - Bosmer - sNB DD
    Nord Sparo - Nord -sDK DD/Tank.
    Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
    Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
    Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
    Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
    Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
    Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
    Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
    Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
    Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank

    NA
    Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
    Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
    Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
    Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
    You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
    Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
    Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
    Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
    Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
    Can't-Main-Tank -Argonian - sDK offTank
  • Juhasow
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    Base critical hit damage (chd) is 1.5
    Major force used to x 30%
    1.5*30%= 1.65
    New major for force adds .15
    1.5+.15= 1.65

    But in reality this is some major ***
    Nb's and templar have base chd of 1.6
    Minor force is .12 (possibly .10 in new patch iirc)
    People run cp in elfborn/precise strikes
    Shadow mundus is 18%? ish

    chd for templar/nb running minor force, shadow, 10% cp in elfborn/precise strikes
    1.6+.12+.18+.10= 2.0
    2.0*30% > 2.0+0.15

    Edit the maths is numerically wrong but the jist is the same

    Holly crap that is the answer I was most affaraid of. If that's true critical dmg on trials falls down and TBS becomes much less usefull.
  • SublimeSparo
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Base critical hit damage (chd) is 1.5
    Major force used to x 30%
    1.5*30%= 1.65
    New major for force adds .15
    1.5+.15= 1.65

    But in reality this is some major ***
    Nb's and templar have base chd of 1.6
    Minor force is .12 (possibly .10 in new patch iirc)
    People run cp in elfborn/precise strikes
    Shadow mundus is 18%? ish

    chd for templar/nb running minor force, shadow, 10% cp in elfborn/precise strikes
    1.6+.12+.18+.10= 2.0
    2.0*30% > 2.0+0.15

    Edit the maths is numerically wrong but the jist is the same

    Holly crap that is the answer I was most affaraid of. If that's true critical dmg on trials falls down and TBS becomes much less usefull.

    I fixed the maths above
    Yea it sucks, the more extra chd modifiers you use ie minor force, cp in precise/elfborn, nb/templar passive, sets like archers mind, the more you lose from the changes
    PS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
    vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
    4th Console vMOL clear,
    vMA cleared on all classes stam & magic

    My Tribe
    EU
    High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
    Wood Sparo - Bosmer - sNB DD
    Nord Sparo - Nord -sDK DD/Tank.
    Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
    Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
    Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
    Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
    Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
    Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
    Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
    Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
    Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank

    NA
    Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
    Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
    Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
    Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
    You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
    Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
    Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
    Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
    Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
    Can't-Main-Tank -Argonian - sDK offTank
  • SublimeSparo
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert
    Major Force: This buff category’s Critical Damage bonus is now an additive bonus instead of a multiplicative one (consistent with all other Critical Damage bonuses), but its value has been reduced to a 15% Critical Damage bonus to compensate from 30%. Total Critical Damage bonus from this buff remains unchanged.

    This is not entirely true, (it is only for one very specific situation)
    PS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
    vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
    4th Console vMOL clear,
    vMA cleared on all classes stam & magic

    My Tribe
    EU
    High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
    Wood Sparo - Bosmer - sNB DD
    Nord Sparo - Nord -sDK DD/Tank.
    Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
    Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
    Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
    Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
    Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
    Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
    Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
    Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
    Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank

    NA
    Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
    Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
    Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
    Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
    You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
    Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
    Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
    Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
    Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
    Can't-Main-Tank -Argonian - sDK offTank
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