The Gold Road Chapter – which includes the Scribing system – and Update 42 is now available to test on the PTS! You can read the latest patch notes here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/656454/
The maintenance is complete, and the PTS is now back online and patch 10.0.2 is available.
Dont touch Velocious Curse
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✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »In PvE noone will use it like that. A skill that can only be used once very 6 seconds is useless for DDs.
*Every 12 seconds. Its a DoT with 2 ticks now.
Thats the nail in the coffing for everyone still trying to make DW work on sorc in pvp. I´m feeling for them.
@Derra Was expecting someone to say that. I guess I'll have to 1-shot people with Frags now LOL. So yeah I guess I'll have to go back to destro... Force Pulse and Destro got buffed after all. I'll miss my 20k Frags on noobs...
This change is absolutely ridiculous. DW sorcs are completely out, because they don't really have anything other than frags.
It looks like we're all picking up Ice staves and block casting everything. And back-barring curse.
I hate it. I'm terrible with a staff build. And spamming force pulse makes me feel like a zergling scrub.
I can already see the permablocking heavy armor ice staff templars with rune focus + blackrose + ritual 400 magica return PER SECOND.
That´s all non regen related magica return.
They can block with that returned magica.
What the *** that´s going to be so broken.
May I recommend some Desert Rose because my dessert just rose.PC EU - Ebonheart Pact - Gray Host - Death Recap -#zergfarming -1 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I may have spoken too soon which, just got heated, and so will admit that and be rational about this. Theres one thing that needs to be tested ASAP before we make judgements...will applying curse after the first explosion reset the skill or not? Cus if the echo is independent of the initial explosion, and you can have both a echo explosion and regular curse ticking at the same time...well that could be cool.
Can someone test and report back please? I cant get pts atm.
True. But knowing ZOS it will just refresh itself... If it can stack though, this might be a very solid DPS ability for PvE. PvP its still at most meh. You just can't burst a target down quickly enough. 6 seconds means that you get a tiny window for burst and literally no room for mistakes. If your burst gets countered, you have to wait another 6 seconds. Its all too clunky. If the had made it like 4.5 seconds and the second detonation dealing 25% less damage it eould already be more interesting.@ Izaki #PCEU
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Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »In PvE noone will use it like that. A skill that can only be used once very 6 seconds is useless for DDs.
*Every 12 seconds. Its a DoT with 2 ticks now.
Thats the nail in the coffing for everyone still trying to make DW work on sorc in pvp. I´m feeling for them.
@Derra Was expecting someone to say that. I guess I'll have to 1-shot people with Frags now LOL. So yeah I guess I'll have to go back to destro... Force Pulse and Destro got buffed after all. I'll miss my 20k Frags on noobs...
This change is absolutely ridiculous. DW sorcs are completely out, because they don't really have anything other than frags.
It looks like we're all picking up Ice staves and block casting everything. And back-barring curse.
I hate it. I'm terrible with a staff build. And spamming force pulse makes me feel like a zergling scrub.
I can already see the permablocking heavy armor ice staff templars with rune focus + blackrose + ritual 400 magica return PER SECOND.
That´s all non regen related magica return.
They can block with that returned magica.
What the *** that´s going to be so broken.
Agreed.
I think NBs are gonna utilize both Ice and Fire staves as well. +8% damage is a LOT.
Another thing that I think has been passed over: Crushing shock not reflectable. This will pretty dramatically change the dynamic between mDK and any destro staff build (esp Sorc).
EDIT: the build will be Desert Rose + Malubeth.Edited by Ishammael on January 4, 2017 2:13AM0 -
Icarus42✭✭✭In pvp as DW sorc 6 seconds is an eternity with no spammable. With this new morph you have absolutely no way of creating enough damage, and also a lot less control of timing burst. You can cast velocious 3 times in the time it takes this new version to go off twice.
Also if it refreshes, what would be the point of even changing this skill in the first place? Besides extending the burst 2.5 seconds so it goes off after your dead?Ebonheart Pact - PC NA - Magicka Sorcerer0 -
nml✭✭✭This is a terrible change and one that I do not support.
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SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »In PvE noone will use it like that. A skill that can only be used once very 6 seconds is useless for DDs.
*Every 12 seconds. Its a DoT with 2 ticks now.
Thats the nail in the coffing for everyone still trying to make DW work on sorc in pvp. I´m feeling for them.
@Derra Was expecting someone to say that. I guess I'll have to 1-shot people with Frags now LOL. So yeah I guess I'll have to go back to destro... Force Pulse and Destro got buffed after all. I'll miss my 20k Frags on noobs...
This change is absolutely ridiculous. DW sorcs are completely out, because they don't really have anything other than frags.
It looks like we're all picking up Ice staves and block casting everything. And back-barring curse.
I hate it. I'm terrible with a staff build. And spamming force pulse makes me feel like a zergling scrub.
I can already see the permablocking heavy armor ice staff templars with rune focus + blackrose + ritual 400 magica return PER SECOND.
That´s all non regen related magica return.
They can block with that returned magica.
What the *** that´s going to be so broken.
You forgot the desert rose*PS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
4th Console vMOL clear,
vMA cleared on all classes stam & magic
My TribeEU
High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
Wood Sparo - Bosmer - sNB DD
Nord Sparo - Nord -sDK DD/Tank.
Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank
NA
Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
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SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »In PvE noone will use it like that. A skill that can only be used once very 6 seconds is useless for DDs.
*Every 12 seconds. Its a DoT with 2 ticks now.
Thats the nail in the coffing for everyone still trying to make DW work on sorc in pvp. I´m feeling for them.
@Derra Was expecting someone to say that. I guess I'll have to 1-shot people with Frags now LOL. So yeah I guess I'll have to go back to destro... Force Pulse and Destro got buffed after all. I'll miss my 20k Frags on noobs...
This change is absolutely ridiculous. DW sorcs are completely out, because they don't really have anything other than frags.
It looks like we're all picking up Ice staves and block casting everything. And back-barring curse.
I hate it. I'm terrible with a staff build. And spamming force pulse makes me feel like a zergling scrub.
I can already see the permablocking heavy armor ice staff templars with rune focus + blackrose + ritual 400 magica return PER SECOND.
That´s all non regen related magica return.
They can block with that returned magica.
What the *** that´s going to be so broken.
We should probably make this build public. Like new thread public. It's the only way to get this kind of garbage fixed before stupid goes live.
I posted it on general discussion earlier, but it wont change anything if @FENGRUSH 's tremor viper rose was anything to go byPS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
4th Console vMOL clear,
vMA cleared on all classes stam & magic
My TribeEU
High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
Wood Sparo - Bosmer - sNB DD
Nord Sparo - Nord -sDK DD/Tank.
Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank
NA
Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
Can't-Main-Tank -Argonian - sDK offTank2 -
Beardimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Like with all changes we need to wait and see, but it reads pretty crappie to meXbox One | EU | EP
Beardimus : VR16 Dunmer MagSorc [RIP MagDW 2015-2018]
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Archimus : Bosmer Thief / Archer / Werewolf
Orcimus : Fat drunk Orc battlefield 1st aider
Scalimus - Argonian Sorc Healer / Pet master
Fighting small scale with : The SAXON Guild
Fighting with [PvP] : The Undaunted Wolves
Trading Guilds : TradersOfNirn | FourSquareTraders
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Bëardimus : L43 Dunmer Magsorc / BG
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Nordimus : VR16 Stamsorc
Beardimus le 13iem : L30 Dunmer Magsorc Icereach0 -
K4RMA✭✭✭✭No one asked for this nerf, much like how no one asked for the nerf to Templar's shards. I don't see any point in messing with these two skills when clearly they are completely fine the way they arenerf mdk1 -
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✭✭✭I think PTS is live, someone test if it stacks.Edited by CyrusArya on January 4, 2017 6:02PM0 -
Khaos_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Sorcs have had so many nerfs. Ruining one of the few good sorc abilities out of nowhere. No one was even complaining about curse. Why?????
Who the hell gives ZOS these wacky ideas????
Every balance patch they ruin a unique ability on the sorc.
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Let it go. Get past the anger, denial, and bargaining phase. Because, it won't change a thing.
ZOS is arrogant and stubborn, they have not nor will they ever revert a nerf.3 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kodi tested it on stream. You can't stack the second hit. It refreshes. This is nothing but a malicious nerf and continued destruction of a class that the design team doesn't seem to like.
Meanwhile NBs didn't get any nerfs but a cost increase to magblade because everyone knows magicka NBs are super OP.
There is no silver lining to this. There is no "wait and see" we have waited and we have seen. This change is terrible.
Fortunately, the original skill was fine. No one thought it was OP, so just revert it.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on January 5, 2017 2:57AM3 -
RedJoker✭✭✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »In PvE noone will use it like that. A skill that can only be used once very 6 seconds is useless for DDs.
*Every 12 seconds. Its a DoT with 2 ticks now.
Thats the nail in the coffing for everyone still trying to make DW work on sorc in pvp. I´m feeling for them.
Yeah, that's me
Still hoping ZOS doesn't go through with it, but they never listen to players. But hey, at least pet builds are more viable *rolls eyes* 0 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »In PvE noone will use it like that. A skill that can only be used once very 6 seconds is useless for DDs.
*Every 12 seconds. Its a DoT with 2 ticks now.
Thats the nail in the coffing for everyone still trying to make DW work on sorc in pvp. I´m feeling for them.
Yeah, that's me Still hoping ZOS doesn't go through with it, but they never listen to players. But hey, at least pet builds are more viable *rolls eyes*
That is simply not true. They have reverted multiple changes over the past. Lightning Staff AoE to name one. Lets just hope they will do the same again.@ Izaki #PCEU
#FrenchKiss #GoneFor2YearsAndMyGuildDoesn'tRaidAnymore
#MoreDPSthanYou
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hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »In PvE noone will use it like that. A skill that can only be used once very 6 seconds is useless for DDs.
*Every 12 seconds. Its a DoT with 2 ticks now.
Thats the nail in the coffing for everyone still trying to make DW work on sorc in pvp. I´m feeling for them.
Yeah, that's me Still hoping ZOS doesn't go through with it, but they never listen to players. But hey, at least pet builds are more viable *rolls eyes*
That is simply not true. They have reverted multiple changes over the past. Lightning Staff AoE to name one. Lets just hope they will do the same again.
Check out my first attempt to parse a sorc...not amazing, but promising...a dps increase from live for sure...http://imgur.com/a/B9ux00 -
RedJoker✭✭✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »In PvE noone will use it like that. A skill that can only be used once very 6 seconds is useless for DDs.
*Every 12 seconds. Its a DoT with 2 ticks now.
Thats the nail in the coffing for everyone still trying to make DW work on sorc in pvp. I´m feeling for them.
Yeah, that's me Still hoping ZOS doesn't go through with it, but they never listen to players. But hey, at least pet builds are more viable *rolls eyes*
That is simply not true. They have reverted multiple changes over the past. Lightning Staff AoE to name one. Lets just hope they will do the same again.
Thanks. Want to hope for the best, but just not very optimistic right now.0 -
MopeyHat✭✭✭✭I am really, really curious to see the rationale behind chopping a skill in half and making it look like double.0 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »In PvE noone will use it like that. A skill that can only be used once very 6 seconds is useless for DDs.
*Every 12 seconds. Its a DoT with 2 ticks now.
Thats the nail in the coffing for everyone still trying to make DW work on sorc in pvp. I´m feeling for them.
Yeah, that's me Still hoping ZOS doesn't go through with it, but they never listen to players. But hey, at least pet builds are more viable *rolls eyes*
That is simply not true. They have reverted multiple changes over the past. Lightning Staff AoE to name one. Lets just hope they will do the same again.
Check out my first attempt to parse a sorc...not amazing, but promising...a dps increase from live for sure...http://imgur.com/a/B9ux0
Daymn dat heavy attack build! So is that Curse DPS higher than on live? Doesn't really seem that way..! At least Velocious felt better in the rotation.
That being said, its hard to judge considering that you didn't have major breach on this parse. And the destro passives have also changed so you're getting a real nice boost from that. What are your recent results on live?
So is curse buffed by lightning staff or flame staff? I'm thinking that sorcs will be using lightning cause liquid lightning and blockade are highest DPS sources. Plus we do get 13 more points in Thaumaturge so thats a nice little buff too!@ Izaki #PCEU
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roflYolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Kodi tested it on stream. You can't stack the second hit. It refreshes. This is nothing but a malicious nerf and continued destruction of a class that the design team doesn't seem to like.
Meanwhile NBs didn't get any nerfs but a cost increase to magblade because everyone knows magicka NBs are super OP.
There is no silver lining to this. There is no "wait and see" we have waited and we have seen. This change is terrible.
Fortunately, the original skill was fine. No one thought it was OP, so just revert it.
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hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »In PvE noone will use it like that. A skill that can only be used once very 6 seconds is useless for DDs.
*Every 12 seconds. Its a DoT with 2 ticks now.
Thats the nail in the coffing for everyone still trying to make DW work on sorc in pvp. I´m feeling for them.
Yeah, that's me Still hoping ZOS doesn't go through with it, but they never listen to players. But hey, at least pet builds are more viable *rolls eyes*
That is simply not true. They have reverted multiple changes over the past. Lightning Staff AoE to name one. Lets just hope they will do the same again.
Check out my first attempt to parse a sorc...not amazing, but promising...a dps increase from live for sure...http://imgur.com/a/B9ux0
Daymn dat heavy attack build! So is that Curse DPS higher than on live? Doesn't really seem that way..! At least Velocious felt better in the rotation.
That being said, its hard to judge considering that you didn't have major breach on this parse. And the destro passives have also changed so you're getting a real nice boost from that. What are your recent results on live?
So is curse buffed by lightning staff or flame staff? I'm thinking that sorcs will be using lightning cause liquid lightning and blockade are highest DPS sources. Plus we do get 13 more points in Thaumaturge so thats a nice little buff too!
1. Hey that wasnt with the heavy attack build its woth FP spammable. Curse for PvE illicits mixed feelings...from one end i can only cast it every 12 seconds but from another end I no lobger have to press the button to have it damage the second time, so what I lose in the cast I gain through another FP.
2. Curse is buffed by flame staff, but if you look at the parse more skills are AoE so im gonna try lightni g staff mainbar next.
3. This was with ele drain in target so i did have major breach.
4. I think I can get it to 35k unbuffed0
