How much backlash do you expect?

Derra

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I´ve been mainly happy with every patch after thieves guild.
But boy orsinium and thieves guild were trash.

Nestor

This is why I have not improved any Dropped Set item past Purple.

Betheny

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I'm not even going to play the test server, just going to skim over some of the notes so everything is taken out of context then capsrage on the General Forum.






...(jk)

Tryxus

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I took my precautions, and a few months ago went on an expedition to find the Fountain of Eternal Popcorn for the PTS update

Master_Kas

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IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

With a big list of balance changes, expect a big list of angry threads, 1 for each change so... like 4 pages of angry threads.
I hope I don't have to say 'Fix Clouding Swarm' after this patch.

I've stopped hoping they will fix cloak and clouding swarm at this point..

Abeille

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Tryxus wrote: »

I took my precautions, and a few months ago went on an expedition to find the Fountain of Eternal Popcorn for the PTS update

It's a good thing the forums will provide you with all the salt your Eternal Popcorn needs

SanTii.92

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Dracane wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Classic . Even if ZOS makes something useful/useless , people will still rage saying the opposite . Look at 2H ultimate . Everyone raged because they thought it was so strong but now , almost no one uses it . Look at destro ultimate . Everyone raged because it was super weak , LOL . Don't even wanna talk about it . Everyone said Stam Sorcerer is still the worst when they introduced Hurricane . Look at where it is now . See where I am getting at ? It was always like this , will always be like this . No one ever bothers to actually test . They just yell .

So , I ask everyone , please ! Go and test . Don't share opinions on what you see on patch notes . I am asking nicely . Please .

But elemental storm was indeed bad in tests. Berserker strike was indeed strong in tests and so on.

wait, which tests were those? imaginary ones?

Dagoth_Rac

Other

I think Backlash will continue to be a poor skill for Templars. The hard cap on it that essentially prevents crits just makes it not a worth a bar slot. In isolation it is OK, but it does not exist in isolation. You have to think of opportunity costs and the opportunity to put a different, higher-performing skill in that bar slot makes Backlash weak. Even a lower tooltip item can easily outperform if that item can crit. This will likely be true of anything that cannot crit.

SanTii.92

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Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I think Backlash will continue to be a poor skill for Templars. The hard cap on it that essentially prevents crits just makes it not a worth a bar slot. In isolation it is OK, but it does not exist in isolation. You have to think of opportunity costs and the opportunity to put a different, higher-performing skill in that bar slot makes Backlash weak. Even a lower tooltip item can easily outperform if that item can crit. This will likely be true of anything that cannot crit.

not sure if troll or serious xd

underrated comment

Solariken

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Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I think Backlash will continue to be a poor skill for Templars. The hard cap on it that essentially prevents crits just makes it not a worth a bar slot. In isolation it is OK, but it does not exist in isolation. You have to think of opportunity costs and the opportunity to put a different, higher-performing skill in that bar slot makes Backlash weak. Even a lower tooltip item can easily outperform if that item can crit. This will likely be true of anything that cannot crit.

I have an idea to remedy that @Dagoth_Rac -

1) Change Burning Light to proc on any physical, magic, or fire DOT instead of Aedric Spear abilities.

2) Add a weak DOT to Backlash.

LrdRahvin

To the three people who voted for "ZOS has finally mastered balancing", assuming you weren't just troll voting, can I have some of whatever industrial grade drugs you're taking please?

umagon

It will be alex jones level; three hours of ranting and raving. Followed by videos of people self promoting their ideas as the best and only solution.

Blackfyre20

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Liofa wrote: »

Unlike people in forums , we actually went to PTS and tested Destro ultimate (along with other sets and new skills/ultimates) in trials (almost all of them) even before it was buffed . I don't know what kind of tests you did but it was weaker than Meteor of course (still better in AOE) but after buff it was almost as strong as Meteor in single target and much better in AOE . People who think and go test before giving opinions , knew that it would be overpowered while there were still lots of people raging about it even after the buff .

It was this crap community who made Elemental Storm the way it is now . The constant crying . It was good the way it was before the buff . It was supposed to be used for AOE . Now it is so strong , people use it for Single Target . What is the result we have now ? People crying again . ''Nerf it ! Too strong ! BROKEN !''

I am telling you . If there is a set/skill/ability that will be introduced in the game , people will rage about it , without actually testing . It doesn't matter what it will be . There will be rage and complaining . As I said , it was always like this and always will be .

In fairness to many of those who complained about destro ult in PTS (myself included), an issue people had was not that it was underpowered, but rather that it was not what destro users were looking for. I, and many others, were looking for a cheap bursty ult which magicka was/is lacking. Instead of looking at how the skill fit into a staff user's toolkit ZOS decided to just tack on more damage to please people, and now here we are. Won't happen but I'd still love to see destro ult changed to a cheap ranged single target ult. If I want a damage AOE ult in PVP I'll slot bats and in PVE there are other options that are serviceable.

Birdovic

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In fairness to many of those who complained about destro ult in PTS (myself included), an issue people had was not that it was underpowered, but rather that it was not what destro users were looking for. I, and many others, were looking for a cheap bursty ult which magicka was/is lacking. Instead of looking at how the skill fit into a staff user's toolkit ZOS decided to just tack on more damage to please people, and now here we are. Won't happen but I'd still love to see destro ult changed to a cheap ranged single target ult.

Thank you.

JD2013

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Waiting for the notes and salt!

Integral1900

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It's a forum, to be honest ZOS could hand out gold bars to every player and there would still be some little git whining that it's the wrong shape

Wollust

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It's the balance we will have to live with for a year.
So yeah, kind of a big deal.

Mic1007

Other

All I know is...

Tavore1138

Other

Liofa wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Classic . Even if ZOS makes something useful/useless , people will still rage saying the opposite . Look at 2H ultimate . Everyone raged because they thought it was so strong but now , almost no one uses it . Look at destro ultimate . Everyone raged because it was super weak , LOL . Don't even wanna talk about it . Everyone said Stam Sorcerer is still the worst when they introduced Hurricane . Look at where it is now . See where I am getting at ? It was always like this , will always be like this . No one ever bothers to actually test . They just yell .

So , I ask everyone , please ! Go and test . Don't share opinions on what you see on patch notes . I am asking nicely . Please .

But elemental storm was indeed bad in tests. Berserker strike was indeed strong in tests and so on.

Unlike people in forums , we actually went to PTS and tested Destro ultimate (along with other sets and new skills/ultimates) in trials (almost all of them) even before it was buffed . I don't know what kind of tests you did but it was weaker than Meteor of course (still better in AOE) but after buff it was almost as strong as Meteor in single target and much better in AOE . People who think and go test before giving opinions , knew that it would be overpowered while there were still lots of people raging about it even after the buff .

It was this crap community who made Elemental Storm the way it is now . The constant crying . It was good the way it was before the buff . It was supposed to be used for AOE . Now it is so strong , people use it for Single Target . What is the result we have now ? People crying again . ''Nerf it ! Too strong ! BROKEN !''

I am telling you . If there is a set/skill/ability that will be introduced in the game , people will rage about it , without actually testing . It doesn't matter what it will be . There will be rage and complaining . As I said , it was always like this and always will be .

So true - it is hard to blame ZoS for all of it when players, even 'known' players deliberately obfuscate and mislead on PTS threads to get something strong even stronger (destro ulti being a good example).

Others will be seeking the exploits, not reporting them and gearing up ready to take advantage for 3 months before the next set of balances.

Sometimes I think 'we' get the game we deserve...

ParaNostram

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Their balance update is adding Necromancy. Everything will be necromancy. There will be no classes, only Necromancers. (I joke)

nordsavage

Other

I expect fool posters to make troll polls.

nordsavage

Other

nordsavage wrote: »

I expect fool posters to make troll polls.

See what I did there?

BigBragg

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Recremen

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ZOS could have broken down every ability, positioning strategy, etc. into a pure mathematical representation, generated algorithms to find a minimal Euclidean distance from average performance, and iterated over the numbers until everything fit the perfect model of balance, and people would still complain because an average player doesn't have a clue how to balance anything or play a good build and doesn't believe that a team of experts is capable of doing their job. After 1.6 (I think that was the stam balance patch, anyway) they've had honestly a pretty well-balanced game overall. You can choose a huge variety of playstyles all of which fit some niche market, but you can't do All The Things like back when we had dynamic ult gen and other fun but ultimately unbalanced systems. Now we mostly just have people yelling because a niche build is actually well-suited to that niche and doesn't have an easy counter that everyone can fit on their jack-of-all-trades build.

So what I mean to say is: we're still likely to hear a lot of complaining no matter what, but that doesn't mean ZOS is actually doing a bad job.

Sallington

Wait until there's no buff for mDKs in the notes..

The CAPLOCKS will shake the foundations of Tamriel.

Doctordarkspawn

Less outrage than usual. ZOS has improved a little with their balancing.

Personally thinking we all tired ourselves out allready.

Recremen

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Betheny wrote: »

I'm not even going to play the test server, just going to skim over some of the notes so everything is taken out of context then capsrage on the General Forum.






...(jk)

Remember how bad Destruction Ult was going to be and how amazingly OP the Two-handed ult was? Man I'm so glad I listen to the forums instead of going to test things myself!!

Betheny

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Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Personally thinking we all tired ourselves out allready.

Don't worry, outrage currently runs off the Magicka bar not the Stamina bar, we have plenty left

Hellsbunnies

@Strider_Roshin may I suggest an amendment to option one?
'The typical ALL CAPS retaliation mostly made by people who don't even play anymore but feel the need to vent their spleen over the £7.99 they paid for a digital version of the game on Amazon.'? :P

Glurin

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I've always found this video to be an apt description of balance change fallout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXmZ89eJMbA