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Xp boosters to make up for 14+ hours in downtime within 2 days.
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lazarus102✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »lazarus102 wrote: »Or...
We could just be thankful that they are addressing the problem quickly, rather than letting it go until the next scheduled maintenance.
Quickly? You call 14 hours (over 2 days) "quickly"? I'd hate to see them take their time on something....
Oh and what exactly are they fixing anyways? Have they even cared to tell us? Are there patch notes for it?
In my magical world, 14 hours is closer to half a day than it is to 2 days
In my reality it spanned 2 days since I start work at 12 today and 2pm yesterday.1 -
jaye63✭✭✭✭Y'all act like you've never seen down time in an MMO or additional downtime over an unexpected error. In other words... y'all act like you've never played an MMO before. Every time there is unexpected downtime there is the usual few posts...
#1 condemning the devs
#2 demanding compensation for not being able to play
#3 ridiculous ideas on how to prevent downtime
#4 comparing the MMO that is down to another MMO that is up(but also had unexpected downtime)
#5 a display of knowledge on how they could do better(the pseudo job app)
#6 a display of a complete lack of knowledge on how it all works
And #7 the one guy that trolls all of the other 6 because he's bored.
Seriously... If you were that good, you would be working there already, if any of the same ideas that have been tossed about for years would actually work, they would do them and if anything you say about it actually mattered, an employee would be letting you know how good and/or thoughtful your input was.Edited by jaye63 on December 13, 2016 4:15PM3 -
Aeladiir✭✭✭✭✭lazarus102 wrote: »Give this post a thumbs up (or other positive check) if you think that this is reasonable.
Stopped reading right over there.Edited by Aeladiir on December 13, 2016 4:15PM2 -
Lieblingsjunge✭✭✭✭✭
✭lazarus102 wrote: »Lieblingsjunge wrote: »lazarus102 wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@lazarus102
Not needed and should not happen. Maintenance is part of any MMO and should be expected.
It's better to have a company that will do maintenance than one which ignores issues and forces us to deal with them
Not for 14 friggin hours within 2 days. I'm not new to mmo's. I've been playing eq2 for years and it was never that bad for downtime without a damn good excuse like xpac being installed on servers, not "oops, sorry, we twip over power cord, you wait now for long time! Thx for your patience!"
If you would've done what you *should've* done when you started the game: READ THE ToS.
It clearly states that we do not have the right to demand compensation and that they have the right to take the game offline as they see fit.
Why can't people just l2read what they're agreeing to. You wouldn't sign a contract without reading it - which is basically what you're doing when you're creating an account; signing a contract. Ain't anyone's fault you feel obliged to compensation, because you were too lazy to read what you agreed to.
Sigh. Laziness. 1st World's worst disease with a solution.
No one reads the damn ToS. It clearly falls under the TL;DR unless people are lawyers or love reading or extremely bored/boring. Personally I'd rather read a thesaurus, those have more useful information.
I didn't think it was that unreasonable. As a business, they are inconveniencing their paying customers, without us they got nothing. The customer is essentially the highest ranking individual in any business because without them the business doesn't exist. I don't just mean me, I mean anyone that is a customer of this game. So a smart business decision would be that after 2 days of downtime, they could make some tiny effort to compensate us rather than just thanking us for our patience(which many of us are out of).
Well, you're agreeing to it, and in many cases you also acknowledge that you have *read* it. Ain't my fault you're lying
I don't read the entire thing, word for word. I always skim through it, and I make sure to read the part where it says about compensation, downtime & which responsibility the company(In this case, ZoS) has, in that matter. Also which responsbilities I have, as a player. It takes me 5-7 mins to skim through it and get familiarised what I agree to. Solves me so many problems & makes everything so much easier.
It's like when you sign up for a christmas calendar on a website. You don't just tick off "Read the User Agreement" or w.e. it says, without reading the last part of the UA. It usually says "You hereby subscribe to newsletters from us and our partners: *long list of third-party-sites/companies that also gets access.). It's the same thing. I want to know what's in my contracts.
Yes, but as long as people stay in the game - and new people starts the game, they got nothing to worry about. And 2 days downtime is *not* gonna chase away the player-base. In a week's time, no one will even remember this downtime.Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Y'all act like you've never seen down time in an MMO or additional downtime over an unexpected error. In other words... y'all act like you've never played an MMO before. Every time there is unexpected downtime there is the usual few posts...
#1 condemning the devs
#2 demanding compensation for not being able to play
#3 ridiculous ideas on how to prevent downtime
#4 comparing the MMO that is down to another MMO that is up(but also had unexpected downtime)
#5 a display of knowledge on how they could do better(the pseudo job app)
#6 a display of a complete lack of knowledge on how it all works
And #7 the one guy that trolls all of the other 6 because he's bored.
Seriously... If you were that good, you would be working there already, if any of the same ideas that have been tossed about for years would actually work, they would do them and if anything you say about it actually mattered, an employee would be letting you know how good and/or thoughtful your input was.
#7 checking in for duty sir, where am i needed?
Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.4 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lazarus102 wrote: »Or...
We could just be thankful that they are addressing the problem quickly, rather than letting it go until the next scheduled maintenance.
Quickly? You call 14 hours (over 2 days) "quickly"? I'd hate to see them take their time on something....
Oh and what exactly are they fixing anyways? Have they even cared to tell us? Are there patch notes for it?
TBH if i was them i wouldn't tell you either.
Fyi theres an event tomorrow if you cared to research it, its likely issues relating to that.PS4 EU DC
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lazarus102 wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@lazarus102
Not needed and should not happen. Maintenance is part of any MMO and should be expected.
It's better to have a company that will do maintenance than one which ignores issues and forces us to deal with them
Not for 14 friggin hours within 2 days. I'm not new to mmo's. I've been playing eq2 for years and it was never that bad for downtime without a damn good excuse like xpac being installed on servers, not "oops, sorry, we twip over power cord, you wait now for long time! Thx for your patience!"
Lol. Your reply is humorous due to its unlikelihood. But good effort.
EQ2 was fine for a bit but technologically speaking it's a dinosaur compared to ESO. Heck, if you prefer how they ran the game I suggest heading back.
Outside of that I suggest you chill out for a bit and BTW, you ain't gonna see free XP boosts from this maintenance. Though your probably see the XP boost we all are expecting anyhow. Enjoy that as a consolation.0 -
penek✭lazarus102 wrote: »No one reads the damn ToS. It clearly falls under the TL;DR unless people are lawyers or love reading or extremely bored/boring. Personally I'd rather read a thesaurus, those have more useful information.
and thats clearly your and yours only problem, because if you read all stuff you accepted, you would know that you pretty much don't have any rights and only "temporary" using access to their services. You don't own anything even character you made and playing - everything is property of ZOS (any company, which mmo you playing)1 -
Preyfar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I feel bad about the hoping to get the wolf but couldn't due to the maintenance. I don't want/need compensation, just working servers.
AND for ZOS to make December 14th International Khajiit Appreciation Day.0 -
lazarus102✭✭Clearly none of you should ever run a business because if you would treat your customers the same way Zenimax does then your business would fail horribly and get bad ratings all over the net.0
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lazarus102 wrote: »Clearly none of you should ever run a business because if you would treat your customers the same way Zenimax does then your business would fail horribly and get bad ratings all over the net.
So we should take advice from you? Yea
Seriously. Try some relaxation. Maybe log onto EQ2 for a bit and reminisce a bit while ESO does what needs to be done.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭lazarus102 wrote: »Clearly none of you should ever run a business because if you would treat your customers the same way Zenimax does then your business would fail horribly and get bad ratings all over the net.
Stop crying your not entitled to anything so stop thinking you are.
Man some people think the world revolves around them.
Get over the downtime and get over yourself.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...7 -
Darkestnght✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »lazarus102 wrote: »Clearly none of you should ever run a business because if you would treat your customers the same way Zenimax does then your business would fail horribly and get bad ratings all over the net.
Stop crying your not entitled to anything so stop thinking you are.
Man some people think the world revolves around them.
Get over the downtime and get over yourself.
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✭✭People are acting like this is the first time we've had downtime... Do you people also think that Zeni should just never take the servers down? Then you'd be complaining about how buggy the game is (even more so than now)Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!0 -
jaye63✭✭✭✭lazarus102 wrote: »Clearly none of you should ever run a business because if you would treat your customers the same way Zenimax does then your business would fail horribly and get bad ratings all over the net.
Actually, they treat us pretty good. I've been playing PC games since before there were hard drives and if ZOS treated us as poorly as you contend, they wouldnt be in business. Just go play DDO and see how poorly an MMO can really treat their customers. Stop being a snowflake and suck it up. Nothing EVER goes as planned for very long before life happens and changes that. The overall picture of how well ZOS is doing is measured in years, not days. I've seen server downtime of 4days and 3 weeks. It's not about you and it never was.3 -
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✭At the start of ESO (at launch and shortly after) there was a huge amount of downtime too, and as I recall my sub back then got compensated with free ESO+ days.
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lazarus102✭✭At the start of ESO (at launch and shortly after) there was a huge amount of downtime too, and as I recall my sub back then got compensated with free ESO+ days.
If they did it then, they could do it again now.
Exactly and people are right, ESO doesn't technically 'owe' us anything but it's like common courtesy; people don't hold doors open for other people because they owe them anything. You happen to be in the position to do something nice for someone and so you do. And as a business when they deny many of their customers 2 full days of play(those of us that have jobs that is, I'm not talking about the ones that sit at home all day and play the game) they 'should' do something nice for us. In business terms that's called damage control. Keep your paying customers happy so they keep coming back. Cmon people, it's really not a rocket science concept..
You people (mostly) aren't really debating my points at all, just flinging insults. I am reminded of the phrase "I would like to have a battle of wits but I see that you are disarmed".
But ya, after the release ESO had and all the issues it had, to become what it is now, I suppose only the most patient/easily contented of people are still playing.Edited by lazarus102 on December 14, 2016 3:45AM0 -
drakhan2002_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I heard they will be giving away FREE XP boosts for 2 weeks starting on December 15th! Just keep playing!!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭lazarus102 wrote: »At the start of ESO (at launch and shortly after) there was a huge amount of downtime too, and as I recall my sub back then got compensated with free ESO+ days.
If they did it then, they could do it again now.
Exactly and people are right, ESO doesn't technically 'owe' us anything but it's like common courtesy; people don't hold doors open for other people because they owe them anything. You happen to be in the position to do something nice for someone and so you do. And as a business when they deny many of their customers 2 full days of play(those of us that have jobs that is, I'm not talking about the ones that sit at home all day and play the game) they 'should' do something nice for us. In business terms that's called damage control. Keep your paying customers happy so they keep coming back. Cmon people, it's really not a rocket science concept..
You people (mostly) aren't really debating my points at all, just flinging insults. I am reminded of the phrase "I would like to have a battle of wits but I see that you are disarmed".
But ya, after the release ESO had and all the issues it had to become what it is now, I suppose only the most patient/easily contented of people are still playing.
Please explain how xp boosters will help people with over capped cp?
Or are the xp boosters just for you because you want them?PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...2 -
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✭✭I seem to remember there being a section in the terms of service stating that Zeni completely has the right to have downtime without repaying you... and you accepted those terms, so stop whining.Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭lazarus102 wrote: »For me personally this has added up to 2 days of being unable to play at all, so a simple "oops! Thanks for your patience" isn't really enough for me. At least where I work if we mess up someone's coffee or meal we fix it and offer them a free coffee for the next time, we don't just say "oops, your problem now bro!".
You literally had nothing else to do? I have absolutely no life and even I had other things to do.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭✭✭At the start of ESO (at launch and shortly after) there was a huge amount of downtime too, and as I recall my sub back then got compensated with free ESO+ days.
If they did it then, they could do it again now.
This happens sometimes for sure in a sub only based game, which ESO was back then. If you didn't sub you didn't play.
Now the subscription has absolutely ZERO to do with access. ESO+ is irrelevant in terms of paid for access.
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Bandit1215✭✭✭lazarus102 wrote: »Or...
We could just be thankful that they are addressing the problem quickly, rather than letting it go until the next scheduled maintenance.
Quickly? You call 14 hours (over 2 days) "quickly"? I'd hate to see them take their time on something....
Oh and what exactly are they fixing anyways? Have they even cared to tell us? Are there patch notes for it?
You clearly don't get what he means by quickly. He is referring to the amount of time that passed before they addressed the problem, not the amount if time it took to implement the fix to said problem...CP 561- vSO HM - Completed
- vAA - Completed
- vHRC - Completed
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nope, not a reasonable request.
Servers go down for all sorts of reasons both foreen and unforseen.
Parts fail, updates fail and have to be reapplied, sometimes doggy do do happens.
Whether you read the TOS or not, you agree to it by clicking accept and logging in the first day.
Don't agree, dont play. Period.
Not everything goes to plan. Thats life, deal with it.Beta tester November 20130 -
lazarus102✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »lazarus102 wrote: »At the start of ESO (at launch and shortly after) there was a huge amount of downtime too, and as I recall my sub back then got compensated with free ESO+ days.
If they did it then, they could do it again now.
Exactly and people are right, ESO doesn't technically 'owe' us anything but it's like common courtesy; people don't hold doors open for other people because they owe them anything. You happen to be in the position to do something nice for someone and so you do. And as a business when they deny many of their customers 2 full days of play(those of us that have jobs that is, I'm not talking about the ones that sit at home all day and play the game) they 'should' do something nice for us. In business terms that's called damage control. Keep your paying customers happy so they keep coming back. Cmon people, it's really not a rocket science concept..
You people (mostly) aren't really debating my points at all, just flinging insults. I am reminded of the phrase "I would like to have a battle of wits but I see that you are disarmed".
But ya, after the release ESO had and all the issues it had to become what it is now, I suppose only the most patient/easily contented of people are still playing.
Please explain how xp boosters will help people with over capped cp?
Or are the xp boosters just for you because you want them?
Make an alt? Also if you're capped already I doubt a couple days off of the game really put you behind at all.0 -
lazarus102✭✭lazarus102 wrote: »For me personally this has added up to 2 days of being unable to play at all, so a simple "oops! Thanks for your patience" isn't really enough for me. At least where I work if we mess up someone's coffee or meal we fix it and offer them a free coffee for the next time, we don't just say "oops, your problem now bro!".
You literally had nothing else to do? I have absolutely no life and even I had other things to do.
A player in an mmorpg having nothing else to do isn't exactly a far out concept, just sayin..0 -
Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You should just stop it. You've got no basis and no arguments for your demands.Susano'o
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