@ZOS please protect families with gambleblock or similar

THEDKEXPERIENCE

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Why does nobody have any sense of personal responsibility anymore?

Seriously I'm genuinely curious.

Showing your age a bit there mate.

I'm keeping out of this, I didn't marry my wife for her money skills. She made a lot of money through waiting tables though if you catch my drift.

Ironic because the response was pretty mature unless by "showing your age" you were pointing out that they were an adult.

Cazzy

ESO is an MMO RPG. Not a casino. So yes, they definitely need this.

Vaoh

Knootewoot wrote: »

I am afraid she will use your gambleboxes to get the new stuff. I have the fear I come home one day with 20.000 euros debit on my creditcard

Please look into this.

Yeah.... In all seriousness they aren't gonna help you at all.

The very purpose of these crates is to pray on people who have gambling addictions or lack of self control with these types of things.

If anything your post has reaffirmed their purpose. Crown Crates are a very toxic addition to ESO and cast a horribly negative light on the future of this game.

Mercutio

JD2013 wrote: »

Why does nobody have any sense of personal responsibility anymore?

Seriously I'm genuinely curious.

I'm not sure, but I'd like to give you this digital forum participation award (really it's for everyone!).



Way to go slugger, you're a winner!

altemriel

Knootewoot wrote: »

We need gamble block in ESO

http://www.gamblock.com/index.html

My wife loves new mounts and clothes and she has my creditcard nr because I use it for het subscription (yes, we are actual subscribers)

I am afraid she will use your gambleboxes to get the new stuff. I have the fear I come home one day with 20.000 euros debit on my creditcard

There needs to be a lock to prevent children and wifes to gamble with a password.

Please look into this.

well, you better talk to your wife or remove your credit card out of her subscription

WillhelmBlack

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Why does nobody have any sense of personal responsibility anymore?

Seriously I'm genuinely curious.

Showing your age a bit there mate.

I'm keeping out of this, I didn't marry my wife for her money skills. She made a lot of money through waiting tables though if you catch my drift.

Ironic because the response was pretty mature unless by "showing your age" you were pointing out that they were an adult.

Yes, yes I was.

Jemcrystal

I am sorry. My best friend also has a problem. We have to watch her closely on games. I am afraid that awareness of this disorder leads to greedy people rubbing their hands together. I have noticed the guilds all seem to be in favor of gambling with raffles. It's like waving cocaine in front of some.

JD2013

Mercutio wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Why does nobody have any sense of personal responsibility anymore?

Seriously I'm genuinely curious.

I'm not sure, but I'd like to give you this digital forum participation award (really it's for everyone!).



Way to go slugger, you're a winner!

Uuuugh things like that make my skin crawl!

Calluna

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Exactly. Lock it down. If she's a 42 year old woman she should show a bit of self restraint anyway, but if that's impossible you do it for her. Even if ZOS complies do you think it will be instantly?

Here's my question ... do all of these people calling ZOS out for feeding into their problems understand that internet gambling - or I guess shopping in this case - exists everywhere? What's next, are you gonna call Amazon and tell them to stop selling shiny objects?

Grow up people.

Amazon has lost a lawsuit on exactly this subject and had to refund parents millions of dollars. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37954308

Cazzy

I'm seeing a psychiatrist for things that have happened to me that lead to addictions. I take responsibility and been commended for doing so. Talking about some of the stuff openly is horrendously difficult and scary.

But I'd like a compromise when a game I've been playing for years implements something that causes me anxiety and distress.

ESO was never designed to be a casino or a place of real gambling.

Edit: in other words, I want ZOS to take responsibility too.

Knootewoot

altemriel wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

We need gamble block in ESO

http://www.gamblock.com/index.html

My wife loves new mounts and clothes and she has my creditcard nr because I use it for het subscription (yes, we are actual subscribers)

I am afraid she will use your gambleboxes to get the new stuff. I have the fear I come home one day with 20.000 euros debit on my creditcard

There needs to be a lock to prevent children and wifes to gamble with a password.

Please look into this.

well, you better talk to your wife or remove your credit card out of her subscription

My son likes to play Minecraft on the PS3. He accidently bought 3 skinpacks because he can't read English and just presses "X" like a maniac where txt appears. So my fault.

I just put up a lock so everytime a purchase is made a password has to be entered.

Really, it's not only for addicts. And my wife is no addict but you never know how far a person will go to get it. You know "Ok one more time and then I stop" it can go on forever.

I don't think Deltia was planning to spend 100$ on nothing.

Oh will it's a pointless discussion. I think an optional something should be introduced and most replies are about my wife the addict who should take her own responsibility. Oh well, back to PvP

anitajoneb17_ESO

Knootewoot wrote: »

I can take care of me and my wife and nothing will happen, don't worry.

Then why do you ask ZOS to take care of it of you can do it yourself ?

Knootewoot wrote: »

But I am pretty sure some people will end up paying loads of money for one item they want and still not have it.

So what ? Some will have done this in full conscience and education, others will truly be scammed. How is giving power to someone else over someone's expenses going to change that ?

Knootewoot wrote: »

But ok go ahead, dismiss an idea to put an optional lock in it. It's a good idea and won't hurt anyone.

Making it "optional" doesn't mean it doesn't affect everyone else, because if ZOS did that (which they won't anyway), it would mean less developers' manhours for the game. It would also mean a HUGE workload for customer services who will have to deal with "locked" people who'll claim abuse or bug and want their access unlocked. Should ZOS also become an addiction doctor or a family court ? Sure, it wouldn't impact everyone else.... except that what the rest of us expects from ZOS is gaming content and features, not protection measures for some isolated cases which can - as explained above - easily protect themselves.

Knootewoot wrote: »

To bad some people who can take responsible actions for them selves think everybody in the world must be able to do it to. If that was the case here wouldn't be so many drug/alcohol/gambling addicts.

I quit smoking tobacco one year ago (well... December 8th 2015, that's 1 year in six days). I know what addiction is, believe me. Yet have I ever expected from my local cigarettes vendor to check on my addiction status, or to ask my Mum first before selling me some ?

Yuls

Knootewoot wrote: »

I don't think Deltia was planning to spend 100$ on nothing.

Actually he announced to spend $100 on Twitter days ago.

Knootewoot

Yuls wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

I don't think Deltia was planning to spend 100$ on nothing.

Actually he announced to spend $100 on Twitter days ago.

Did he also announce to spend it on nothing?

Yuls

Knootewoot wrote: »

Did he also announce to spend it on nothing?

He didn't spend it for "nothing", but for a big bunch of crates. And a nice audience watching him open them.

Jim_Pipp

Yuls wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Did he also announce to spend it on nothing?

He didn't spend it for "nothing", but for a big bunch of crates. And a nice audience watching him open them.

Did you see that video? At the end he talks about his strong feelings of disappointment! I also noticed that he spent the last of his crowns on another crate after he didn't get what he wanted from the 3 x 15 packs he planned to buy. It was a really insightful video, and I imagine a lot of people who were on the fence were influenced by it.

lagrue

FoolishHuman wrote: »

Hamiltonmath wrote: »

If your wife has a gambling problem, you need to address her, not people that she can gamble with.


If she were a drug addict, would you demand her dealer stop selling drugs? Hopefully not.

Pretty sure dealing with drugs is illegal, so yeah, you could demand that.

Anyway, they made a system that uses a loophole in gambling laws for these crates. I'm pretty sure that addicts and potential addicts are their target audience, so unless some government forces them through laws they won't do anything to help those people.

A shortsighted answer. Even if the drug dealer gave a royal rat's butt, the wife would just find a new one. The issue isn't that there are drug dealers, it's that people create the need for drug dealers. It's a chain of supply and demand. Take away the demand, and the supply goes with it.

When somebody has a gambling addiction you don't call up the Casino and say 'hey, don't let her in' - you don't go the corner store and say "her don't sell her lottery tickets." - No, you have to stop the problem at the root, which is the addict themself.

OP, unbind your credit card... it's not that difficult. You can be subscribed without the info being there. I have 18 months left and no card bound to my account. If your wife really spends that much money on crowns then leave her or send her to a rehab facility lol

Cazzy

Cazzy wrote: »

I'm seeing a psychiatrist for things that have happened to me that lead to addictions. I take responsibility and been commended for doing so. Talking about some of the stuff openly is horrendously difficult and scary.

But I'd like a compromise when a game I've been playing for years implements something that causes me anxiety and distress.

ESO was never designed to be a casino or a place of real gambling.

Edit: in other words, I want ZOS to take responsibility too.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Cazzy wrote: »

In other words, I want ZOS to take responsibility too.

Would you be happy if we asked ZOS to ban you from the game and the forum ?
You've been saying for *weeks* now in various posts that you don't feel well in the game, and also in this forum, because of the unease, anxiety and temptation that the crates are creating for you.
You're still here, which tends to prove that you cannot resist the urge to come here (I don't know about your presence ingame).

Are you asking ZOS to do that for you ?

Don't get me wrong : I don't want you gone from anywhere and I respect your testimonies when your tell us about your life and issues. But if we follow your own reasoning, that's where it leads to. Hence my question : would you be happy to be banned from both the game and the forums ?

Riga_Mortis

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Yuls wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Did he also announce to spend it on nothing?

He didn't spend it for "nothing", but for a big bunch of crates. And a nice audience watching him open them.

Did you see that video? At the end he talks about his strong feelings of disappointment! I also noticed that he spent the last of his crowns on another crate after he didn't get what he wanted from the 3 x 15 packs he planned to buy. It was a really insightful video, and I imagine a lot of people who were on the fence were influenced by it.

Thing is someone donated the 100 bucks for him to open the crates, and he made money from the views of the video in question. Yes it was an insightful video but he still did alright out of it, even if he didnt get the mount he wanted.

Cazzy

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

In other words, I want ZOS to take responsibility too.

Would you be happy if we asked ZOS to ban you from the game and the forum ?
You've been saying for *weeks* now in various posts that you don't feel well in the game, and also in this forum, because of the unease, anxiety and temptation that the crates are creating for you.
You're still here, which tends to prove that you cannot resist the urge to come here (I don't know about your presence ingame).

Are you asking ZOS to do that for you ?

Don't get me wrong : I don't want you gone from anywhere and I respect your testimonies when your tell us about your life and issues. But if we follow your own reasoning, that's where it leads to. Hence my question : would you be happy to be banned from both the game and the forums ?

So I should leave a game I love, a forum full of friends all because ZOS can't put up a gamble block?

DPShiro

Knootewoot wrote: »

We need gamble block in ESO

http://www.gamblock.com/index.html

My wife loves new mounts and clothes and she has my creditcard nr because I use it for het subscription (yes, we are actual subscribers)

I am afraid she will use your gambleboxes to get the new stuff. I have the fear I come home one day with 20.000 euros debit on my creditcard

There needs to be a lock to prevent children and wifes to gamble with a password.

Please look into this.

If your wife is not mature enough and/or mentally stable she shouldn't be trusted with credit card information anyway.
As an adult if you can't have enough self control to not spend money you can't afford to spend, you need help professionally, not from a software developer.

Take resposiblity for your own actions instead of trying to shift the blame to others.

People who spend money on this who can't afford it are not victims. Immature and stupid, yes, but not victims.

Riga_Mortis

Cazzy wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

In other words, I want ZOS to take responsibility too.

Would you be happy if we asked ZOS to ban you from the game and the forum ?
You've been saying for *weeks* now in various posts that you don't feel well in the game, and also in this forum, because of the unease, anxiety and temptation that the crates are creating for you.
You're still here, which tends to prove that you cannot resist the urge to come here (I don't know about your presence ingame).

Are you asking ZOS to do that for you ?

Don't get me wrong : I don't want you gone from anywhere and I respect your testimonies when your tell us about your life and issues. But if we follow your own reasoning, that's where it leads to. Hence my question : would you be happy to be banned from both the game and the forums ?

So I should leave a game I love, a forum full of friends all because ZOS can't put up a gamble block?

ZOS is under no legal obligation to put up a block, its not going to happen. Only you can decide if its in your best interest to remain, ZOS wont do that for you.

lagrue

Cazzy wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

In other words, I want ZOS to take responsibility too.

Would you be happy if we asked ZOS to ban you from the game and the forum ?
You've been saying for *weeks* now in various posts that you don't feel well in the game, and also in this forum, because of the unease, anxiety and temptation that the crates are creating for you.
You're still here, which tends to prove that you cannot resist the urge to come here (I don't know about your presence ingame).

Are you asking ZOS to do that for you ?

Don't get me wrong : I don't want you gone from anywhere and I respect your testimonies when your tell us about your life and issues. But if we follow your own reasoning, that's where it leads to. Hence my question : would you be happy to be banned from both the game and the forums ?

So I should leave a game I love, a forum full of friends all because ZOS can't put up a gamble block?

If you have a lack of self control, then yes you should leave. I wouldn't send somebody with a gambling addiction to a casino and then tell them to chill there and not play any games.

Go get help for your addiction, there are ways. Gamble-block is just a band-aid and you'll have this problem with every game afterwards. I'm sorry to say this in a harsh way, it's the psychology student in me - but the problem is you, not the fact that gamble boxes exist. The problem is in your brain, in your body.

I could rationalize right now that even farming for loot is to some extent gambling, and the cost is massive amounts of time - sometimes arguably more money's worth of time than simply buying something would be. In my eyes spending 15 hours farming for one gear piece is the equivalent of generating $150 at minimum wage, so it's exactly the same as blowing $150 on the game. That's the nature of RNG - you spend, either in money or time, and see random rewards.

If you can't handle RNG because you have an addiction, then sign out, get help, and come back when you have a grip on your habits.

Yuls

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Did you see that video? At the end he talks about his strong feelings of disappointment!

Yes? I dind't exactly expect him to do a happy dance after burning thru that amount. He was testing the drop rates. Like he said he would do before. So, yes, he planned to spend a big amount of money for 'em crates, and was disappointed at the end.

He had a plan to test and record it, and he did.

Gothren

Knootewoot wrote: »

We need gamble block in ESO

http://www.gamblock.com/index.html

My wife loves new mounts and clothes and she has my creditcard nr because I use it for het subscription (yes, we are actual subscribers)

I am afraid she will use your gambleboxes to get the new stuff. I have the fear I come home one day with 20.000 euros debit on my creditcard

There needs to be a lock to prevent children and wifes to gamble with a password.

Please look into this.

zos will not help you. they love money too much.

Cazzy

I'm getting ****ing help. Does anybody read anymore?!

ESO IS NOT A CASINO. I SUPPORTED THEM FROM DAY ONE. HOW ****ING DARE ANYONE MAKE ME FEEL LIKE IT'S MY OWN FAULT I WANT TO CONTINUE PLAYING!!!

anitajoneb17_ESO

Cazzy wrote: »

So I should leave a game I love, a forum full of friends all because ZOS can't put up a gamble block?

Can't you put up a gamble block yourself by unbinding your credit card from your account ? Or any other way ?

Junipus

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I quit smoking tobacco one year ago (well... December 8th 2015, that's 1 year in six days). I know what addiction is, believe me. Yet have I ever expected from my local cigarettes vendor to check on my addiction status, or to ask my Mum first before selling me some ?

Oh analogy alley, how you drag me back into your seedy shadows again and tempt me with hours of argumentative entertainment.

Tempt me not! For I wish to focus on the issues at hand and not be swayed by your tantalising distractions.

lagrue

Cazzy wrote: »

I'm getting ****ing help. Does anybody read anymore?!

ESO IS NOT A CASINO. I SUPPORTED THEM FROM DAY ONE. HOW ****ING DARE ANYONE MAKE ME FEEL LIKE IT'S MY OWN FAULT I WANT TO CONTINUE PLAYING!!!

If you can't play because you can't stop yourself from buying, it is your responsibility - maybe not fault, but as a fully grown adult who managed to sign the TOS, it is YOUR responsibility.

If you are genuinely getting help, and feel these Crates will impact your ability to do so, seriously - just put the game down and come back when you're in a better state.

It's not ZOS fault you have a mental illness m8 - I used to have the same problem with irl scratchcards and lottery tickets, and considering bitching at the OLG was never going to get them removed from the store, I did the smart thing and made myself stop buying them. At first I wouldn't go to stores where they were sold, then slowly I would go into those stores with limited money - not enough to buy a handful of scratch tickets, and would think deeply about my choices and spending - it took years of determination and patience, but I haven't bought a scratchcard since 2010. I don't even crave that rush for them anymore. Work yourself out dude, it's not easy, but you can do it - and without making everything a personal attack.

You're a grown man/woman/gamer - just get out there and sort it out, I have confidence in you but only if you have it in yourself.