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Maelstrom penetration requirement
Milvan
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Hello comrades, I decided to check how much penetration is needed to maximize your damage in veteran Maelstrom arena, so here are the results.
METHODOLOGY: I datamined every aspect of maelstrom to find out what's the armor of every single mob there, no, I'm kidding, I used the 2h ultimate that gives armor based on your targets armor to see how much I was gainning from each main boss (I'm way too lazy to check on every trash mob).
RESULTS:
ARENAS 1,6 and 9: requires 9k penetration;
ARENAS 2,3, and 5 requires 12k penetration;
ARENAS 4,7 and 8 requires 18k penetration.
Not sure if this has been done before, but here they are.
METHODOLOGY: I datamined every aspect of maelstrom to find out what's the armor of every single mob there, no, I'm kidding, I used the 2h ultimate that gives armor based on your targets armor to see how much I was gainning from each main boss (I'm way too lazy to check on every trash mob).
RESULTS:
ARENAS 1,6 and 9: requires 9k penetration;
ARENAS 2,3, and 5 requires 12k penetration;
ARENAS 4,7 and 8 requires 18k penetration.
Not sure if this has been done before, but here they are.
“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
Gryphons guild - @Milvan,
Gryphons guild - @Milvan,
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The definition of require- to demand as necessary or essential
The arena requires exactly 0 penetration.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA2 -
Milvan✭✭✭✭✭
✭The definition of require- to demand as necessary or essential
The arena requires exactly 0 penetration.
Thank you for your input
“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
Gryphons guild - @Milvan,16 -
Milvan✭✭✭✭✭
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I'm pretty sure I made myself crystal clear "how much penetration is needed to maximizeyour damage "“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
Gryphons guild - @Milvan,9 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_Finn I take it this means vMA was not subject to the mitigation overhaul?Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Kinda surprising that the last stage requires only 9k penetration.
Stage 8 boss for example my overloads are hitting for around 52k on crits. Stage 9 boss its all the way down to 40k.
I'm only sitting at 10k penetration, LA passives and sharpened.@ Izaki #PCEU
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What source of penetration did you assume to make this statement? To get 18k pen in a solo environment, you need to invest a lot into it and probably even have to take cp out of mighty. Does this really maximize your damage?
I'm pretty sure I made myself crystal clear "how much penetration is needed to maximizeyour damage "3 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
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I'm pretty sure I made myself crystal clear "how much penetration is needed to maximizeyour damage "
Actually what you're trying to say is how much resistances MA bosses have. Stripping them of all their resistances would be giving up too much in other areas to be "maximizing your damage".BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
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✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »Kinda surprising that the last stage requires only 9k penetration.
Stage 8 boss for example my overloads are hitting for around 52k on crits. Stage 9 boss its all the way down to 40k.
I'm only sitting at 10k penetration, LA passives and sharpened.
What are you running to get 52k crits? Mine are about 40k with Elegant.0 -
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✭✭bottleofsyrup wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »Kinda surprising that the last stage requires only 9k penetration.
Stage 8 boss for example my overloads are hitting for around 52k on crits. Stage 9 boss its all the way down to 40k.
I'm only sitting at 10k penetration, LA passives and sharpened.
What are you running to get 52k crits? Mine are about 40k with Elegant.
Elegant Julianos Kena the usual stuff. Remember the boss is fully debuffed when you break all the pillars, she takes way more damage than other bosses.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »
What source of penetration did you assume to make this statement? To get 18k pen in a solo environment, you need to invest a lot into it and probably even have to take cp out of mighty. Does this really maximize your damage?
I'm pretty sure I made myself crystal clear "how much penetration is needed to maximizeyour damage "
I'm pretty sure I made myself crystal clear "how much penetration is needed to maximizeyour damage "
Actually what you're trying to say is how much resistances MA bosses have. Stripping them of all their resistances would be giving up too much in other areas to be "maximizing your damage".
@Danksta @lolo_01b16_ESO
Really? Seriously, really?
Damage output is a huge equation where increasing one variable may or may not compensate for the other. IT'S NOT MY INTENTION AND I NEVER MENTIONED IT ANYWHERE THAT I WOULD OR WILL CHECK THE WHOLE EQUATION.
My approach with this topic is ONLY penetration. Under the scope of penetration, if you want to fully maximize your damage you must have the following:
ARENAS 1,6 and 9: requires 9k penetration;
ARENAS 2,3, and 5 requires 12k penetration;
ARENAS 4,7 and 8 requires 18k penetration.
But, as our team of cap'n obvious stated above ( @Danksta @lolo_01b16_ESO ), damage is a equation and it's up for each player to check how much penetration fits better with each build.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
Gryphons guild - @Milvan,0 -
FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hello comrades, I decided to check how much penetration is needed to maximize your damage in veteran Maelstrom arena, so here are the results.
METHODOLOGY: I datamined every aspect of maelstrom to find out what's the armor of every single mob there, no, I'm kidding, I used the 2h ultimate that gives armor based on your targets armor to see how much I was gainning from each main boss (I'm way too lazy to check on every trash mob).
RESULTS:
ARENAS 1,6 and 9: requires 9k penetration;
ARENAS 2,3, and 5 requires 12k penetration;
ARENAS 4,7 and 8 requires 18k penetration.
Not sure if this has been done before, but here they are.
Interesting, and how strange. I've wondered about this for a while now, thanks for doing the work. Since 1T I've been running vma with 17k spell pen and suspecting I was over-penetrating at least some of the arena. But if I drop spinners in favour of anything else my scores go down. Maybe some strategic set swappping between rounds is needed.PC | EU0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ROTFL. So much fuss over wording.
If OP just said, "these are the resistance values" with no editorialization...
Or if the other posters were less nitpicky and gave OP some interpretational benefit of the doubt...Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorOther Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information3 -
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I'm pretty sure I made myself crystal clear "how much penetration is needed to maximizeyour damage "
Actually what you're trying to say is how much resistances MA bosses have. Stripping them of all their resistances would be giving up too much in other areas to be "maximizing your damage".
The trolls and idiots congregate.. Anyways good job OP.. I did this myself when One Tamriel came out and was annoyed that the mob armor homogenization was not applied to vMA.I play how I want to.0 -
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I'm pretty sure I made myself crystal clear "how much penetration is needed to maximizeyour damage "
Actually what you're trying to say is how much resistances MA bosses have. Stripping them of all their resistances would be giving up too much in other areas to be "maximizing your damage".
Not really. With 17k spell pen I still have 45k magicka and 3.3k spell damage. I gave up some crit chance and went from 65% down to 58% by losing julianos, but all this seemed to do was make surge slightly less reliable. I'm still pulling bigger numbers thanks to the elegant boost to my meduim/light weaves. I will concede that having 17k pen for a 9-12k boss is a waste of effort though. I might try julianos + elegant for the 9-12k rounds and then switch out julianos for spinners on the 18k rounds.PC | EU0 -
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✭✭Nice find. Thanks for posting. Maybe I try using different gear as I'm likely over penetrating most the arena. Looks like more weapon damage may be more beneficial on everything but 4,7,8.
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That is too low, and you are underestimating the value of crit. I run vMA with 75% crit on my magblade.FriedEggSandwich wrote: »I gave up some crit chance and went from 65% down to 58% by losing julianos
Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorOther Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information0 -
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✭Good job op. I would just ignore the people who can't interpret what your post says. They either are looking for someone to argue or just have no clue what going on.
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That is too low, and you are underestimating the value of crit. I run vMA with 75% crit on my magblade.FriedEggSandwich wrote: »I gave up some crit chance and went from 65% down to 58% by losing julianos
Too low for what? I get that crit is important but it's not like there's a failure state built in to low crit. My surge heals me and I can finish the arena with a better score than I can with 65% crit (julianos). I run vma at least 4 times a week. With surge you can somewhat make up for low crit by stacking dots on top of your staple damage. For surge to work I only need to crit once per second, and the size of the crit is irrelevant, so having 2 dots ticking over my force pulse weaves ensures that. I judge the effectiveness of a setup by how quickly the mobs drop and having Fa-Nuit-Hen telling me that was one for the record books. If I was to run trials I would try to meet the requirements of the group but vma is mine.PC | EU1 -
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✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Hard to know what your penetration is on console. I run two sharpened daggers (2580 each) and 149 from cp, so I would guess its 5209
Not really. You just need to add up all your sources of penetration.0 -
DeHei✭✭✭✭✭overall i think 10k penetration is enough. To get 18k penetration you will lose to much other stats.DeHei - EP Magicka Templar AllrounderDe Hei(Youtube)0 -
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✭So bearing this in mind, where would one get such a penetration value? I.E: a medium armoured wearing, sharpened dual dagger wielding Khajit...
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✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »So bearing this in mind, where would one get such a penetration value? I.E: a medium armoured wearing, sharpened dual dagger wielding Khajit...
Is it from CP (how many in piercing)? Enchantments? I'm at a loss
5x NMG and/or Kra'ghs. If you're a stamblade then you get major breach from SA, which is ovet 5k. Stam DKs can get it from noxious breath. All those I mentioned would add up to just over 9k penetration. Plus sharpened weapons and you'll be at around 15k. That's too much penetration, though so I would suggest Velidreth over Kra'ghs0 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ROTFL. So much fuss over wording.
If OP just said, "these are the resistance values" with no editorialization...
Or if the other posters were less nitpicky and gave OP some interpretational benefit of the doubt...
Maybe the reason people are fussy about it is because when someone puts these kind of numbers together, a lot of people really do consider them a bare bones minimum requirement. Then they triple it and say that you MUST have that much before even considering taking on the normal version. It's ridiculous, but people do it anyway."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."0 -
Junipus✭✭✭✭✭overall i think 10k penetration is enough. To get 18k penetration you will lose to much other stats.
I'm sitting on about 15.7k spell pen with Spinners along with 42k magicka and 2.3k spell damage on my magblade. It'd be more magicka but I'm Imperial and don't want to change, so I'd imagine about 45-46k magicka on a magicka race.
I could switch Spinners for Julianos and have 2.5k spell damage and 40k magicka and sit at 12k spell pen, but I find it's about the same for run times and more damage on some mobs with Spinners.
I'm sure that those with more practice on comparison could provide more maths to backup whatever position they take.The Legendary Nothing1 -
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✭So, failing to have NMG armour, would you move cp from precise strikes to piercing for trials/vma?0 -
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✭✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »So, failing to have NMG armour, would you move cp from precise strikes to piercing for trials/vma?
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Malmai✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hello comrades, I decided to check how much penetration is needed to maximize your damage in veteran Maelstrom arena, so here are the results.
METHODOLOGY: I datamined every aspect of maelstrom to find out what's the armor of every single mob there, no, I'm kidding, I used the 2h ultimate that gives armor based on your targets armor to see how much I was gainning from each main boss (I'm way too lazy to check on every trash mob).
RESULTS:
ARENAS 1,6 and 9: requires 9k penetration;
ARENAS 2,3, and 5 requires 12k penetration;
ARENAS 4,7 and 8 requires 18k penetration.
Not sure if this has been done before, but here they are.
6th stage has way more than 9k res bro crits are hitting way lower on that stage...
Also mobs shouldn't have same resists as bosses should be lower don't know who's idea was this but its just stupid and not logical ...Edited by Malmai on November 28, 2016 12:35AM0