magicka DK and healing - why did they kick me before the dungeon even started?

datgladiatah

Sorcs have the strongest burst heal in the game by far, anyways. Too bad it's on a summon and the class has very little else in utility or team support. I wouldn't want to be close enough to cast negate.

DK tank does so many cool things. If i'm running a stam sorc I'll run dark deal if there's no shards and I feel like playing like an idiot. If you're running NB or DK stam I don't see why you're running out of stamina????

Does anyone run magma armor over barrier for any reason?

Stannum

datgladiatah wrote: »

Does anyone run magma armor over barrier for any reason?

In PvE I don't use both as heal/shields are enought, so I use shooting star/ele storm/standart

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »

datgladiatah wrote: »

Does anyone run magma armor over barrier for any reason?

In PvE I don't use both as heal/shields are enought, so I use shooting star/ele storm/standart

Healer really ought to be running warhorn. So one bar barrier, for the magic regen and warhorn on back bar for the group buff.

I have only ran with a dk healer a couple of times, one had trinimac, they did okay, I wish more people would run non-templar healers, would be a lot of fun to see how they work out.

SolarCat02

datgladiatah wrote: »

Does anyone run magma armor over barrier for any reason?

Usually my healer runs Warhorn as her ultimate, unless the dps in the group is very very low.

If I want a group shield ultimate, Barrier gives out a stronger shield to everyone in the group aside from the tank, since the shield size is based on my spell power rather than the health of everyone in the group like the group-shield morph of the DK's Armor ultimate.

The DK-specific shield is VERY useful in situations where the rest of the group is prone to dying and requiring me to do a rez, though. If I survive long enough to build ultimate, obtain knockback immunity if needed, then cast my armor ultimate, I can stand in anything and rez without worry. Barrier will not make me unkillable like the DK Armor ultimate can. (Please note, it does seem bugged in PvP so I never slot it there.)

XxBradeyxX

What gear are you using for your DK healer?

Stannum

XxBradeyxX wrote: »

What gear are you using for your DK healer?

5spc, 2infernal guardian, 4 trini (really it can be any magika sustain set, i use trini as i had full set but then replaced for IG full set bonus, 4 suducer can be used for same bonus)

Flameheart

Reverb wrote: »

Likely because the dps were stam meta builds and/or the tank was pure stam, and didn't want a healer without shards and repentance. A non templar can help their magicka party members with orbs, siphon and ele drain. Only Templars have stam assist.

My experience in PUGs is that neither templars nor other healers do care for their support role. The most just think, spamming Mutagen or BoL is enough (the interesting fact is, that Mutagen should already do it for 99% of all fights concerning healing only, if the group moves and plays mechanics correctly).

Especially templar healers seem continuously to forget that there are magicka DDs in this game and not just crippled PvP stamina DDs. I got groups where I stole luminous shards from the tank as a magicka DD and while doing over 70% of the group dps in EH 1 (7 mill hp endboss in hardmode) got neither drain, nor a shard nor bubbles nor Soul Siphon and after my magicka was drained and my pots were on cooldown, I demonstratively did heavy attacks, which changed - of course - nothing.

To be honest when I play my stamina NB, I am able to sustain almost every fight without any support by just using normal dropped stamina pots (which I have in hundreds in my bank) and not even using Siphoning Attacks on an regular base and I don't even wear 5 pieces Ophidian, just because I use Kragh.

Can't tell much about stamina tanks (for magicka tanks there shouldn't be any major issues), but I ran some instances with stamina tanks, it's maybe annoying but doable without stamina support and this even if you are no NB tank.

The "no-support-at-all" stuff works if you are in a PUG where everybody knows his role and builds for it, but it will already fail if both DDs deliver weak dps or if just one DD is a burden, because the other has to melt 4 mill of the 5+million hp of a vet instance boss. It might fail already in trash groups if you have no tank who is able to gather adds somewhat and/or the AoE dps is bad, because after a while - when stamina for blocking is drained - the inc damage might shock and overexert the healer.

Reverb wrote: »

Well, there is Master restoration, but it's effect is underwhelming and it requires using cheesy springs.

Your cheesy springs are the best heal in PvE in this game, but self claimed archer builds standing on 28m and sorcs moving forward and backward at 25m like Ritalin junkies spoil the effectiveness.

...and Healing Ward is just one target, but amazingly fast casted and usually absolutely enough for a 4-men-group.

AlexTech0x

Templars > every other healer. This doesn't mean others can't heal.

Armitas

Thats funny. We had healer that had to leave when we got to the last boss of COA II. I was the tank and swapped some things around so I could be the healer as well. I healed the group as well as tanked the boss with no deaths. Some people just have no imagination. There are limitations but they are not an issue by default, certainly not for most of the dungeons.

Having a Templar for that just means it's okay if everyone runs around all over the place, dps parse through red, or sit at max distance or anything else thats generally annoying, silly, and frustrating on the healer. Templar's can breath of life through so much bad behavior that people just become complacent to do whatever.

acw37162

Wizards First Rule

People are Stupid

fiftypercentgrey

I actually use Elemental Drain for magicka sustain and stuff for the Magicka DPS and the Rkugamz Set for the Stamina DPS and the tank. Anyone can do those and profit from it in the healer role. Sometimes the group is good and I can throw in some DPS as well. Sometimes they are horrible and healing gets challenging because people run out of the AE heals and stay in the AE Damage. Healer's life but it really has nothing to do with the class.
I've healed as DK, as Sorc and as a Templar. I just like it most as a DK. I healed in all veteran dungeons including the DLC ones and did that even with PUGs.

scorpiodog wrote: »

Flowersquisher wrote: »

its not you, PUG's need templars to sustain there already crappy dps. Try not to take it personal, its just that closed minded mentality of group finder heroes. I've played with alot of mDK's that also tank, and it works awesome

Agreed. It's so easy to make a burst high-damage Stamina DPS, but sustainability ... what's that, lol. Isn't that the healer's job to keep everyone's stamina up?

I personally don't consider my DPS builds "good" until I can solo at least one normal group dungeon. For me good healers and tanks are nice to have, but only really necessary on the hardest dungeons.

But when I did try Tanking for a little while I just got tired of crappy DPS always complaining. I think it's worse for healers that they are expected to carry the whole crappy party through a dungeon sometimes.

I have learned now how true that is. Far too many people join in the group finder as a DPS and don't really do damage, have no sustain and don't know what to do. And instead of just being honest about it and doing something about it they complain about the other DPS, the healer and the tank.

A good DPS is really hard to find. Go figure. ^^

EldritchPenguin

Flameheart wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Likely because the dps were stam meta builds and/or the tank was pure stam, and didn't want a healer without shards and repentance. A non templar can help their magicka party members with orbs, siphon and ele drain. Only Templars have stam assist.

Especially templar healers seem continuously to forget that there are magicka DDs in this game and not just crippled PvP stamina DDs. I got groups where I stole luminous shards from the tank as a magicka DD and while doing over 70% of the group dps in SC 1 (7 mill hp endboss in hardmode) got neither drain, nor a shard nor bubbles nor Soul Siphon and after my magicka was drained and my pots were on cooldown, I demonstratively did heavy attacks, which changed - of course - nothing.

And this is especially hilarious because the game is currently overpopulated with Magicka DD's, while Stamina DD's are a dying breed. Out of all the Templar healers I've seen, just about all of them ran Shards and Repentance, but only a handful of them ran Elemental Drain, and I don't think I've ever seen a healer with Orbs.

Syrani

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Likely because the dps were stam meta builds and/or the tank was pure stam, and didn't want a healer without shards and repentance. A non templar can help their magicka party members with orbs, siphon and ele drain. Only Templars have stam assist.

Especially templar healers seem continuously to forget that there are magicka DDs in this game and not just crippled PvP stamina DDs. I got groups where I stole luminous shards from the tank as a magicka DD and while doing over 70% of the group dps in SC 1 (7 mill hp endboss in hardmode) got neither drain, nor a shard nor bubbles nor Soul Siphon and after my magicka was drained and my pots were on cooldown, I demonstratively did heavy attacks, which changed - of course - nothing.

And this is especially hilarious because the game is currently overpopulated with Magicka DD's, while Stamina DD's are a dying breed. Out of all the Templar healers I've seen, just about all of them ran Shards and Repentance, but only a handful of them ran Elemental Drain, and I don't think I've ever seen a healer with Orbs.

When I heal pugs on my Templar now, I usually ask if anyone needs orbs. If no one says anything, I slot something else. I can't tell you how many times I have used orbs and watched them float away un-popped THE WHOLE WAY through the dungeon. It's a waste of my resources and loss of DPS potential to slot those synergies when no one uses them. I have even been through dungeons where no one used my shards either.

So, if you are not seeing many healers throw out these synergies, that could be why. It seems many people don't even know what they are for, so it becomes a waste to slot them.

SolarCat02

I stopped using Orbs because nobody hit the synergies. Now that I am also running veteran Trials, I am trying to get back into the habit.

Elemental Drain is on my bar regularly again thanks to Trials, and the rising popularity of magicka DPS.

I think many times Templars are so used to people wanting stamina support that they forget about the available-to-everyone magicka buffs like Elemental Drain and Orbs. I can understand that, so much expectation to be the team battery.

My Dragonknight healer can only give Stamina via her Master Restoration Staff, so she focuses on the magicka side of buffing. Just please don't ask for Siphon Spirit, I always manage to mis-time that one so I get stuck in the channel and die.

Stannum

datgladiatah wrote: »

If i'm running a stam sorc I'll run dark deal if there's no shards and I feel like playing like an idiot. If you're running NB or DK stam I don't see why you're running out of stamina????

I've put off dark deal from my stamsOrc as found that at CP cap weaving heavies into rapid strikes with drop stam pots use are completelly enought for susatain without dark deal.