You think we should have enough skill points to Level just about everything?

deevoh1991

At the end of the day I think it's safe to say post lvl 50, skill points are hard to obtain. Then we have the grind to CP561,

I'm a magic sorc , also I'm a vampire and I am trying to save up points to unlock woodworking and blacksmithing to 10 in crafting, I'm chucking provisioning altogether since it's a pain to get points. Now what makes it more dissapointing is apparently we have to pay like 10k to keep switching between what skills you want everytime?

. It took me a while to just get to CP 240 on my main. I really am intrigued by the viper set and bows but I've heard people say there are not enough skill points for every thing.

Granted I do realise there is a way to re-skill what you want in each areas main city, but at the cost of losing something else?

Anyways what is your opinion?

Wollust

Collecting skyshards is no option for you?

Sigtric

If all you do is grind xp for cp you will be lacking skill points. If you play the main quests and zone quests, do the quests inside dungeons, collect skyshards and rank up in pvp, you will have enough points for multiple combat lines and crafting.

deevoh1991

Wollust wrote: »

Collecting skyshards is no option for you?

You mean if I do that I'll have enough skill points to unlock everything?

deevoh1991

Sigtric wrote: »

If all you do is grind xp for cp you will be lacking skill points. If you play the main quests and zone quests, do the quests inside dungeons, collect skyshards and rank up in pvp, you will have enough points for multiple combat lines and crafting.

Multiple or All ?

Wollust

Deevo191 wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Collecting skyshards is no option for you?

You mean if I do that I'll have enough skill points to unlock everything?

Yup. There is like 380 something skyshards. More than enough.
On top of that, each PvP rank gives you a skill point and you can get the first 10 ranks or so pretty fas even if you don't like PvP.

Leandor

All my now 10 fully levelled chars have at least 250 skill points.

The ones I mainly play sit around 300.

All of them have at least two crafts, 3 weapons, 2 armor types, either mage or fighters guild, all class skills, both support and attack pvp skill lines, race skills, most have either vampire or werewolf, odd points in legerdemain, thieves guild, dark brotherhood, undaunted. I usually have about 5 unallocated points sitting there for future skills or skill lines.

There are more than enough skill points in game. The cost factor is only on regards to changing skill morphs between pvp and pve, something that can be done by resetting morphs only, which is below 3k in my cases. And this can't be reduced by adding more skill points.

Enslaved

I would love that. I mean, 368 skill points is ok, but I would love that all my chars are also master crafters, proficient with any weapon or armor type, etc. I know how I would solve this problem without adding any more skill points, and that is by making skill morphs free to use. Once you have trained basic skill to max IV, you would be able to unlock morph without spending any points. Also, this would allow ppl to change morphs simply, without going all the way back to respec shrines. And being able to swap morphs just like that would be a great boost for anyone who like to use his chars both in PvP and PvE.

idk

How many skill points we have generally depends on how many we really want. They come from certain where, sky shares and obtaining ranks in cyrodiil.

Few have all the skill points, however, even with all one cannot have everything unlocked in every skill line for every class line/weapon/guild/crafting, etc. with the max skill points available one can pretty much do anything they want, just not everything.

SolarCat02

There are a lot of skill points in this game, but it does take effort to get them.

The main story line in each continent gives three total.
The overarching story line with the prophet gives skill points for each quest.
The four man group dungeons give one skill point each for their quest (doesn't matter if you do it on normal or veteran, it's just one skill point per quest, not per level).
Most of the DLCs give skill points for portions of their main storyline.
Skyshards! You want all of these.
And each PvP rank also gives a skill point.

My main is a healer with all crafting skills, and a slew of good dps skills, plus a ton of unrelated passives, and vampirism. I am still working on two more skill points, but I have plenty of Skyshards left to get them, I have just been running dungeons instead lately.

Dasovaruilos

You won't have skill points to literally unlock everything. I think the numbers are around ~500 unlockable skill and morphs for something like ~350 skill points.

But you do have enough points to do most of this things.

My main is a healer with every profession leveled up and unlocked. I still completely leveled all my class skills, Dual Wield, Destruction Staff, Resto Staff and am halfway through Sword and Shield. I'm max Light Armor and on my way to max Heavy Armor.

I think the last time I respeced I had something like 280 points. That is after doing skyshard hunting, missing only a few in Imperial City and Sweers and two behind enemy gates.

But I still haven't done Silver, Gold and a bunch of public dungeons.

So, again, you can't have every single single skill and morph, but if you do skill point hunting you can basically have everything you need for a very flexible build.

Cherryblossom

Not actually checked how many in total I have on my Healer, but I have 120 sitting doing nothing!

she's a Vamp with all passives and Mages, fighters, DW, S&B, Resto and Destruction passives and skills I require.

max level crafting Blacksmith, clothing, woodworking, Alchemy, cooking and nearly max Enchanting.

I think you just need to concentrate on what you want to use.

TBH I don't even think about her skill points, however my tank I need to go pick up the skyshards from the other two factions and PVP, although I've got 5 free points on him. So I think at the end of the day if you think about what you actually need then it's not a huge issue.

Dasovaruilos

All right, now I saw that your post was actually asking if we SHOULD not if we COULD...

So, my answer is no.

If you can max out everything, a lot of tough choices that makes the game interesting are removed, making it a little more dumb.

deevoh1991

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Not actually checked how many in total I have on my Healer, but I have 120 sitting doing nothing!

she's a Vamp with all passives and Mages, fighters, DW, S&B, Resto and Destruction passives and skills I require.

max level crafting Blacksmith, clothing, woodworking, Alchemy, cooking and nearly max Enchanting.

I think you just need to concentrate on what you want to use.

TBH I don't even think about her skill points, however my tank I need to go pick up the skyshards from the other two factions and PVP, although I've got 5 free points on him. So I think at the end of the day if you think about what you actually need then it's not a huge issue.

I'm a very casual player and just want tp be able to do everything with one character rather than make 5 accounts to get the best flexibility in each,
Ie, I want to focus or stam and magic and be able to craft the sets for the same. And also put points into vampirism and PVP :c, I don't mind the time it takes but I cannot put the work times 8 for each characters

Elsonso

Personally, I think there are too many skill points.

I tend to specialize skills, which means that I only take what I need for my current build. I leave the rest sitting there, unused. If I want to change my build, I spend the few thousand gold to reset everything, and repeat. Again, spending only what is necessary for that build.

idk

Deevo191 wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Not actually checked how many in total I have on my Healer, but I have 120 sitting doing nothing!

she's a Vamp with all passives and Mages, fighters, DW, S&B, Resto and Destruction passives and skills I require.

max level crafting Blacksmith, clothing, woodworking, Alchemy, cooking and nearly max Enchanting.

I think you just need to concentrate on what you want to use.

TBH I don't even think about her skill points, however my tank I need to go pick up the skyshards from the other two factions and PVP, although I've got 5 free points on him. So I think at the end of the day if you think about what you actually need then it's not a huge issue.

I'm a very casual player and just want tp be able to do everything with one character rather than make 5 accounts to get the best flexibility in each,
Ie, I want to focus or stam and magic and be able to craft the sets for the same. And also put points into vampirism and PVP :c, I don't mind the time it takes but I cannot put the work times 8 for each characters

get most of the skill points and you'll be able to get all the crafting, main guilds and have the character specked for smash, healing or tanking just fine.

However, at some point we all must make choices.

Dasovaruilos

Deevo191 wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Not actually checked how many in total I have on my Healer, but I have 120 sitting doing nothing!

she's a Vamp with all passives and Mages, fighters, DW, S&B, Resto and Destruction passives and skills I require.

max level crafting Blacksmith, clothing, woodworking, Alchemy, cooking and nearly max Enchanting.

I think you just need to concentrate on what you want to use.

TBH I don't even think about her skill points, however my tank I need to go pick up the skyshards from the other two factions and PVP, although I've got 5 free points on him. So I think at the end of the day if you think about what you actually need then it's not a huge issue.

I'm a very casual player and just want tp be able to do everything with one character rather than make 5 accounts to get the best flexibility in each,
Ie, I want to focus or stam and magic and be able to craft the sets for the same. And also put points into vampirism and PVP :c, I don't mind the time it takes but I cannot put the work times 8 for each characters

I basically have that.

As I said, I maxed all professions. I have Destro + Resto for PvE, Dual Wield maxed because it used to be better for PvE, and Sword and Shield for PvP.

Light Armor for PvE, Heavy for PvP.

Bunch of Assalt and Support skills for PvP.

All class skills.

I'm not a min/maxer but my Templar can solo DPS quests, heal PvE, heal PvP. With less than 300 skill points you can have a character that does A LOT.

Maybe not the best optimised one, but a good overall one still.

DRXHarbinger

There aren't enough in game. I think you end up about 50 short. But that was before db and TG skill lines came out too. You also need 12 alone for all the weapon skill lines ultis. That alone is 36 skyshards and over 2 zones worth.

AlnilamE

I have friends that have only 1 character and they are master crafters and all.

There are over three hundred skill points available in game and you can respect skill points to change your build.

I have friends who when making a new character max out all the skill lines and morph all skills both ways so that they can switch on a whim, but that takes some dedication.

You can do all crafts on one character and pick the weapon lines for either stam/magicka weapons, plus alliance skills and guild skills. I have that and I'm not done getting all skill points yet.

Places to get skill points:

- Skyshards (there are about 15 skyshards per normal zone, so that's 5 skill points)
- Leveling (you get 64 skill points by leveling to 50)
- Public Dungeons Group Challenges (16 in the normal zones, plus the 2 in Orsinium)
- Group Dungeon quests (each dungeon quest gives you 1 skill point, with separate skill points for Dungeon I and Dungeon II where applicable, so about 28?)
- Leveling Alliance rank in PvP: Each rank gives you 1 skill point. Early ranks are pretty easy to get. Later ones require some dedication.

pattyLtd

I'm not sure how many skillpoints are obtainable it's more then enough as far as i know.
My main has most obviously and i do reset them (mostly just morphs) sometimes when i go from pve into pvp mode or vice versa.

If it worked like redestributing CP i would probably do it alot more lol.

AzuraKin

Deevo191 wrote: »

At the end of the day I think it's safe to say post lvl 50, skill points are hard to obtain. Then we have the grind to CP561,

I'm a magic sorc , also I'm a vampire and I am trying to save up points to unlock woodworking and blacksmithing to 10 in crafting, I'm chucking provisioning altogether since it's a pain to get points. Now what makes it more dissapointing is apparently we have to pay like 10k to keep switching between what skills you want everytime?

. It took me a while to just get to CP 240 on my main. I really am intrigued by the viper set and bows but I've heard people say there are not enough skill points for every thing.

Granted I do realise there is a way to re-skill what you want in each areas main city, but at the cost of losing something else?

Anyways what is your opinion?

as a crafter who does all crafting on 1 toon plus actually play the same toon, you are looking at doing all 3 alliance zones, coldharbor, all dlcs, all skyshards in pvp zones and then choose skills very wisely on which ones your taking and what passives you get if you looking to unlock all crafting on 1 toon and actually use it as well.

gard

Deevo191 wrote: »

At the end of the day I think it's safe to say post lvl 50, skill points are hard to obtain. Then we have the grind to CP561,

I'm a magic sorc , also I'm a vampire and I am trying to save up points to unlock woodworking and blacksmithing to 10 in crafting, I'm chucking provisioning altogether since it's a pain to get points. Now what makes it more dissapointing is apparently we have to pay like 10k to keep switching between what skills you want everytime?

. It took me a while to just get to CP 240 on my main. I really am intrigued by the viper set and bows but I've heard people say there are not enough skill points for every thing.

Granted I do realise there is a way to re-skill what you want in each areas main city, but at the cost of losing something else?

Anyways what is your opinion?

My opinion is that you probably don't quest, do dungeons, delve, or bother to pick up skyshards.
Respec is fairly cheap if you don't want to farm points.

I do wish we had the ability to respec morphs per skill (vs all morphs) or drop just a single skill line. That would be a big time saver. Respeccing is kind of a pain in the ***.

rotaugen454

Only my main crafter has a skill point problem, because I maxed out every craft. It's a Magicka Sorc, so I skipped a lot of the stamina skills, but did max out bow and DW. Add weapon ultimates and it's getting close. I have about 4 unused skill points and 20 shards left in the entire game. I've done basically every quest. My other characters have a ton of available skill points.

Sigtric

Stole this from a post on reddit:

Each class has three skill trees with 20 points each, so sixty points for all your class skills.
There are three armor trees with 13 points each, so now we are up to 99 points.
There are six weapon trees with 20 points each, so now we are at 219.
Each race's skill trees take 9 points. (the xp bonus passive is free) so now we have 228 points.
There are three possible world skill trees (you must choose between vamp and ww) Legerdemain has 20 points, soul magic has 10, and vamp/ww have 16 points bringing our total to 274.
Fighters and Mages guilds each have 19 points and the Undaunted line has 14. Bringing our total to 307
Next, there are two PvP lines with 12 points each bringing the total to 331.
Finally we have crafting. The 3 equipment crafts have 25 points each, Enchanting has 22, Provisioning has 24, and Alchemy has 19.
There are a grand total of 471 skills to spend points on, give or take. According to the skill page on UESP, there are 324 skill points available.

Edit to add: realistically you're not going to need to train all six weapon lines. You can leave out 5 of them if you're magicka and one of them if you're stamina.
You likely will only need to train 1 or 2 armor lines but not all 3.
Ledgermain is really optional/situational
Vamp or Werewolf only if you are vamp or werewolf
If you don't PVP you don't need those two
There's little to no reason to buy and morph every single skill in each class or weapon line either.

deevoh1991

Sigtric wrote: »

Stole this from a post on reddit:

Each class has three skill trees with 20 points each, so sixty points for all your class skills.
There are three armor trees with 13 points each, so now we are up to 99 points.
There are six weapon trees with 20 points each, so now we are at 219.
Each race's skill trees take 9 points. (the xp bonus passive is free) so now we have 228 points.
There are three possible world skill trees (you must choose between vamp and ww) Legerdemain has 20 points, soul magic has 10, and vamp/ww have 16 points bringing our total to 274.
Fighters and Mages guilds each have 19 points and the Undaunted line has 14. Bringing our total to 307
Next, there are two PvP lines with 12 points each bringing the total to 331.
Finally we have crafting. The 3 equipment crafts have 25 points each, Enchanting has 22, Provisioning has 24, and Alchemy has 19.
There are a grand total of 471 skills to spend points on, give or take. According to the skill page on UESP, there are 324 skill points available.

I'm saying, why not spread out the remaining 147 skill points ?

STEVIL

Imo no you should not get enough skills to max everything.

I like it when my choices matter.

If you do bronze silver and gold and the dlc and Skyshard you end up with iirc 230ish. That cuts in half if you just do bronze and then leapfrog to cap at 50.

NewBlacksmurf

You literally can have enough skills to use almost anything.

Now there are trade-offs but my main has all crafting skills, light armor, rejuv, destruct, all class skills, racial, and a mix of 4 guilds

You just have to do the quests and shards, and group dungeons, trials and public dungeons.
Takes time but if you need skills, there are over 300 now and I dont even have them all...as well as I don't pvp much at all so i'm missing at least 1 3rd of Cyrodil and IC shards, as well as the skill points from leveling PvP up

IrishGirlGamer

I think there is something like 350 skill points currently a player can achieve in the game and around 520 are required to make out every skill line. So, even you earned every skill point, you'd still only max out about 70% of the skills.

These numbers are outdated (I think was right before Thieves Guild dropped) but here is a complete list of all the sources of skill points:

ESO Skill Point List

Leveling
Level 2-50 49 (This is very outdated. We now receive multiple skill points on some levels).
Subtotal 49

Quests
Main Quest 11
Quests in AD 15
Quests in DC 16
Quests in EP 15
Quests in Coldharbour 3
MG Reading FD 2
Imperial City Questline 1
Imperial City (WGT & IP) 3
Subtotal 66

Skyshards
381 Total for 127 skill points
Subtotal 127

Group Dungeons
Zone Dungeons 15
Coldharbour 1
Imperial City (WGT & IP) 2
Challenges 18
Vet Dungeons 8
Maelstrom Arena 1
Subtotal 45

Alliance War
Ranking up 50
Subtotal 50

Total Points Available 337

Total Skills, Morphs, etc. 517

Completion Ratio 67.31%

Memnock

Deevo191 wrote: »

At the end of the day I think it's safe to say post lvl 50, skill points are hard to obtain. Then we have the grind to CP561,

I'm a magic sorc , also I'm a vampire and I am trying to save up points to unlock woodworking and blacksmithing to 10 in crafting, I'm chucking provisioning altogether since it's a pain to get points. Now what makes it more dissapointing is apparently we have to pay like 10k to keep switching between what skills you want everytime?

. It took me a while to just get to CP 240 on my main. I really am intrigued by the viper set and bows but I've heard people say there are not enough skill points for every thing.

Granted I do realise there is a way to re-skill what you want in each areas main city, but at the cost of losing something else?

Anyways what is your opinion?

At the moment , you can obtain about 360 something skill points. You can max out your 3 native trees , at least 2 weapon skill lines , sould magic ,either mages or fighters guild , undaunted skills , full vampire or ww line , and still have more than enough skill points left to level at least 3 professions to full.

The skill points come from the main and faction story quests , along with the shyshards , PVP and dungeon quests. It might take some time to get that amount of points , but really there is no rush.

MakoFore

there are nt quite enough if you do all dungeons, quests and group dungeons. and of course get every sky shard you can to level everything- but close. . i collected all but 2 sky shards in AD cyrodil, done all dungeons and quests in all areas.
i wanted my main to be proficient at every weapon so i could switch mid dungeon from dps to tank to healer with ease so i have all passives and skills in 6 weapons levelled, all armours for 3 types unlocked, as well as all alliance stuff and 4 of the 6 crafting skills. mind you- if i were to become a werewolf or vampire or wish to unlock all the weapon ultimates- i d be in a bind. and i dont have any skill points in soul magic, ledger man, dark brother hood, thieves guild nor any undaunted skills over than passives. nor is there enough there aren't quite enough to unlock eveyrhting- but then again thats when the hard choices have to come in - though it is enough to have a very proficient character. thats like life though- only a limited amount of time to get good at something so choose wisely- i like that eso makes us make these choices.

Ayantir

I got them all except pvp ranks.. and I can guarantee you that if you're not an hardcore pvper.. you won't have them all. Grand Overlord is simply reserved for this category of players.. (and I'm rank 27/50) ..

Consider that 320/330 is the max for an "achiever".