Maelstrom Ice Stage: way too annoying?

Milvan

So, I was just comparing the stages, isn't the Ice stage kind overannoying compared with the other arenas? I mean its really annoying when you realize the amount of thing that you need to handle at the same time and some of them are glitchy as skooma hang over.

- Heavy dot from iced water;
- Only 50% of usable area (even less);
- Too many ranged enemies that spawns attacking you;
- DPS race but not too fast or way too many mobs will spawn too if you take too long mama giant will destroy the plataform;
- Double uppercut combo from mama giant and their minions;
- The step that is way too high and you need to jump over because if you can walk over it (some edges of the safe plataforms);
- The boss that spawns more minions in the whole arena (6[+3 wolves] minions + at least 2 ice ladies from the plataforms + at least 2 trolls);
- All regular atacks from mama giant knocks you back;
- Shatter is unrolldodgeable;
- Stupid head minions that stays on the water.

I know some of them are L2p but for the eight this is one annoying stage, especially from the third round beyond.
(I'm flawless conquerer and eventually I even make to the ranked)

Tannus15

Yeah, it sucks.
Especially the ranged guys standing in the ice.

The ice dot should effect enemies. Problem solved :P

DPShiro

If you have Flawless you should have learned the mechanics by now.
Unless you paid for it or something silly like that.

It's simply l2p, I can do the levels in my sleep.

The only bad mechanic in VMA is the RNG drops.

Milvan

DPShiro wrote: »

If you have Flawless you should have learned the mechanics by now.
Unless you paid for it or something silly like that.

It's simply l2p, I can do the levels in my sleep.

The only bad mechanic in VMA is the RNG drops.

I do know the mechanics, I'm just pointing out why they are far more annoying than the rest of the other stages.

DPShiro

Milvan wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

If you have Flawless you should have learned the mechanics by now.
Unless you paid for it or something silly like that.

It's simply l2p, I can do the levels in my sleep.

The only bad mechanic in VMA is the RNG drops.

I do know the mechanics, I'm just pointing out why they are far more annoying than the rest of the other stages.

Stage 7 is worse imo, since the poison spawns are random.

Carl-lan

Well that's good to know. I finally finished stage 5 for the first time the other day. I got through the first 4 with a bit of a struggle and I died a lot but it was nothing like this one. It took me ages and I died heaps. Was stuck on it for a few weeks but only giving it a shot for a few hours a week. Hopefully I can get through the rest now!!

FriedEggSandwich

I find stage 8 more annoying. The only thing the ice stage has which I fear is the shatter ground attacks that the giants and boss do. That and sometimes you don't see the red indication she's about to smash the platform, or even sometimes if you move platform too early she will follow you and smash the platform you just ran to. I can complete the ice stage without dying more regularly than I can complete stage 8 without dying though.

Destyran

Bro they need to delete 3rounds. Preferably 5,6 & 7 for QoL reasons because 1hr runs seems about the average run and its not good enough to waste a hour of your life then leave dissapointed about 267322356 times

Destyran

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

I find stage 8 more annoying. The only thing the ice stage has which I fear is the shatter ground attacks that the giants and boss do. That and sometimes you don't see the red indication she's about to smash the platform, or even sometimes if you move platform too early she will follow you and smash the platform you just ran to. I can complete the ice stage without dying more regularly than I can complete stage 8 without dying though.

Gotta love getting double crit rushed or two flame shaper spawning in flame throwing at same time

code65536

Someone asked me recently what the hardest part of vMA is.

I told him, "For you, stage 9; for me, stage 5."

It's not uncommon to see people stuck on Voriak for days or weeks when trying to get their first clear. Voriak is very mechanics-heavy and requires precise execution of those mechanics. It's the hardest fight for someone starting out, but once they've done that enough that they've learned it, it becomes very easy. More than any other part of the arena, the Voriak fight benefits the most from "learning the mechanics", and it transforms from the hardest fight for a newbie to one of the easiest fights for an experienced player.

Stage 5, on the other hand, doesn't have a lot of mechanics for you to follow--things like the reduced combat surface isn't really a mechanic that you can learn--it's just something you cope with and tolerate. Instead, the difficulty of stage 5 stems from brute force. Stage 5, I think, is the part of the arena that benefits the least from practice (not saying that practice doesn't help--it does--but it doesn't help as much as it does in other stages).

So relatively speaking, stage 5 is the hardest stage for experienced players. Though stage 7 is also a strong contender in that department because sometimes you just get screwed by luck. In one of my recent runs, I had a minder put up his bubble almost right over one of those lingering spit pools, and the part of the bubble that wasn't in the spit was too close to a plant. RIP.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Stage 7 is the worst. There's always luck involved.

Milvan

Most of the arenas have at least one annoying element, but for me Ice stage (5) from round 3 beyond is annoying as hell.

FriedEggSandwich

Destyran wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

I find stage 8 more annoying. The only thing the ice stage has which I fear is the shatter ground attacks that the giants and boss do. That and sometimes you don't see the red indication she's about to smash the platform, or even sometimes if you move platform too early she will follow you and smash the platform you just ran to. I can complete the ice stage without dying more regularly than I can complete stage 8 without dying though.

Gotta love getting double crit rushed or two flame shaper spawning in flame throwing at same time

Lol yeah, I'm a stage 4 vamp with 15k hp and recently switched out crushing shock for force pulse, and those flame shapers really make me sweat. Them and that damn titan in the last stage with his flame light attacks that remove my ward in one go. I should really remember to feed before running it.

Jeremy

The whole damn thing is annoying if you ask me.

There is a difference in challenging gameplay and then torture. I think VMA is more of the latter.

Milvan

Jeremy wrote: »

The whole damn thing is annoying if you ask me.

There is a difference in challenging gameplay and then torture. I think VMA is more of the latter.

I do agree that are some "torture-ish" elements, but they are not that bad. XD

johu31

The double knock back is the worse

Mojmir

The last chest is the most annoying from what I hear

Abeille

I find stage seven's mechanics worse. The other stages require memorization, stage seven requires luck.

Although I have some annoying fps drops on stage five, when the ice is broken. You learn to live with those too, though, since you know exactly when they are coming.

James-Wayne

Round 7 and the Spiderlings are my thorn in my side, if you don't have mobility (which on my Magplar I usually don't) and not enough bugs spawn to activate the mechanic then the spiders pretty much get me everytime... pretty certain the spawning of the bugs is all RnG because RnG hates me.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

7 is nothing, easy peasy. Yes occasionally the plant will screw your flawless but other than that it's easy.

5 is the pain imo.
I have multiple chars with flawless but round 5 irks me the most, although ive not run VMA for months so none of this applies to me

ForsakenSin

i agree that lv 5 its AAAAAAAAaaaaaaaa

dps dps dps and then you get uppercut stun dead ....

Lukums1

Round 3.
Defensive Sigil clear adds LOL fest.
2nd Set of adds Healing Sigil LOL fest.
Round 4.
Repeat Above.

Boss fight easy cake.

Ice round ain't hard utilize the sigils and smash it out in 5minutes. gg.

Osteos

I actually think the ice rink is the most straight forward arena. I like it the most out of all of them.

ArchMikem

I somehow beat the ice stage my first try with no deaths, though it was normal and i do remember it being really edgy.

Theres nothing worse than Stage 7 though.

cpuScientist

Osteos wrote: »

I actually think the ice rink is the most straight forward arena. I like it the most out of all of them.

Me too honestly. I mean everyone has troubles with different stages and what not, but I have a groove on ice stage.

Malmai

I think 5 and 7 need tweak i mean running it 100 times and sometimes rng sucks at 7...

Alucardo

I really hate the ice stage on my stam build. It's the one stage where if I get even a tiny bit of lag, I'm dead.

DRXHarbinger

I actually just hate the flame knight...chain lag into its standard and ground flame dot = dead every single time. Nothing you can do. Sometimes it one shots for fun. 90% snare. It's crap.

strikeback1247

I actually like round 7, dancing around those plant explosions when the mender spawns is fun

Shader_Shibes

I don't mind stage 5 now, have it dialled and rarely die there now. Stage 7 is and always will be, unless they do something with the plants, the round to ruin a no death run.

Buffler

Stage 5 is slightly irritating, round 7 is easy and would be a lot fairer if when ur in the shield u cant get affected by volatile poison!