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Stop Calling It Stamina
bellanca6561n
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Actually, nobody does...folks call it stam. Not terribly polite really, as nobody asked its permission first.
To the point, albeit a dubious one.
There is green magic in this game and blue magic.
Blue stuff has the proper name: MAG-EEEK-KAAAAH!
The green stuff is deceiving. It has the name of something real.
There is no physical model for combat in this game. It's all magic. Physical models increase hitting power, in kilo joules, with strength, and hit frequency, with stamina or dexterity, expressed in swing speed.
ESO has a wonderful combat system in many ways but it's pure fantasy and should not be employing the names of real things.
They're just confusing people with the current name.
Call it stamicka.
Call it green power.
Call it Mountain Dew.
Then, patently LUDICROUS oxymorons such as stamina sorcerer would stop making me alternately roll my eyes or giggle.
Sorry.....got too much sleep last night, but drank the same too strong coffee....
To the point, albeit a dubious one.
There is green magic in this game and blue magic.
Blue stuff has the proper name: MAG-EEEK-KAAAAH!
The green stuff is deceiving. It has the name of something real.
There is no physical model for combat in this game. It's all magic. Physical models increase hitting power, in kilo joules, with strength, and hit frequency, with stamina or dexterity, expressed in swing speed.
ESO has a wonderful combat system in many ways but it's pure fantasy and should not be employing the names of real things.
They're just confusing people with the current name.
Call it stamicka.
Call it green power.
Call it Mountain Dew.
Then, patently LUDICROUS oxymorons such as stamina sorcerer would stop making me alternately roll my eyes or giggle.
Sorry.....got too much sleep last night, but drank the same too strong coffee....
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✭✭✭✭✭magicka wielding users dont like stamina abilities, so they insult us with names.2 -
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✭✭✭✭When you run out of things to nitpick in a game....
Edit: Fixed a egregious spelling error. Props to my man @Cryptical for picking it out and saving us all the trouble of deciphering the text.Edited by BigBragg on November 6, 2016 7:17PM20 -
AtAfternoon✭✭✭bellanca6561n wrote: »Then, patently LUDICROUS oxymorons such as stamina sorcerer would stop making me alternately roll my eyes or giggle.
When you pick a pre-defined class in Oblivion, sorcerers are described as "besting the most well-equipped fighters, they rely on the spells of the mystic arts. Unique to these mages is the bodily stamina to be armed with the thickest armor".
So I personally don't find a stamina sorc, using magicka to buff themselves and streaking around while wearing heavy armour and hitting you with a sword, that strange.11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, this was noticed immediately when I joined the game in 2014. The entire combat system is based on magic. Nothing has changed since then. The idea that a magic ability can turn into a non-magic ability by basing it on "stamina" is silly. It just means, as has been said above, that stamina is just another form of magic power. They aren't stupid. They know this. They are fine with having two magic resources.
I just wish they would untie the physical abilities (dodge, run, etc) out of stamina and put it into a physical attribute that would control that action. That would be better than basing these things on a magical attribute.5 -
Pendrillion✭✭✭✭Its called stamina because Elder Scrolls had always called it stamina. Stamina sorc just turned up because you can play a stamina focused sorcerer. But originally the stamina in ES games was exactly what you described. And mainly used for melee abilities. It still does. Even though it became a sort of a second magicka through such dumb morphs as the green spit from DK Classlines. Or Biting Jabs for templar.
In my opinion the only right course should be to erase the classes and install a similar system as in Skyrim. Training what you use regularly. And have Stamina use for roll dodge block and Melee attacks and Magicka for all the stuff that falls under the purview of sorcery...2 -
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✭✭Then how come I use my stamina bar to sprint and not my magic bar? Check. Mate. To. You.
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Valykc✭✭✭✭✭I have a Mountain Dew Sorc and I approve this message.
[Edited to remove real world political reference]Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on November 6, 2016 7:26PM9 -
FoolishHuman✭✭✭✭✭Pendrillion wrote: »Its called stamina because Elder Scrolls had always called it stamina.
Actually, only Skyrim called it Stamina, in all other games it was Fatigue.7 -
Wolfshead✭✭✭✭Think OP need to learn that is call STAMINA
and OP need to learn to liv with it as well the are no way people will stop use those words. If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity0 -
Sa0n✭✭✭I actually find this really insightful
There are just a handful of actual stamina skills, that turn stamina into something physical, without any effects that require magical powers.
But yeah, don't take me too seriously.Literally eat my assflaps.
Uninstalled.
Time wasted: 6 years.1 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you have no issue with cat and lizard men/females running around or fork lightening/fire shooting from the finger tips of many, I think what should constitute as a stamina ability is far, far down the list of what's acceptable and what isn't.1 -
Cazic✭✭✭✭✭All of the melee weapon abilities, bow, and other combat mechanics rely on Stamina. It is appropriately named in that sense.
The issue is that we can't have evey single class ability and their morphs use magicka, because that wouldn't be balanced. So, some of them fall under stamina for that reason.
There are more melee/bow weapon skills that use stam (plus roll dodge, block, break free and interrupt) than there are class skill morphs. Given that, I don't think it's unreasonable that the literal meaning of the word stamina is blurred a bit for the sake of balance.
Sure, this isn't ideal. But correcting it would require a major revamp of the combat and skill system. I don't see that happening any time soon.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The Elder Scrolls has a long history of what you could call "mundane magic", and this is due to the very peculiar nature of reality on Nirn. It is a disservice to say that stam abilities are "green magicka", when in fact they are just normal things that any warrior worth their salt can do. Want to fire 20 arrows at once in an arc in front of you? Go for it, just hold your bow with the right grip and go to town. Want to make a ghost bleed? Just wiggle an Earth Bone and slap it with your mace. Need to get up to an opponent on a ledge that you can't quite jump to? Run up the air Just So with a charging attack, silly!Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
Grand High Illustrious Mid-Tier PvP/PvE Bussmunster3 -
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✭I like Green Skooma!
As for using stamicka to run, what do those Sorcerers use to not just run, but to FLASH across the screen?2 -
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✭✭bellanca6561n wrote: »I like Green Skooma!
As for using stamicka to run, what do those Sorcerers use to not just run, but to FLASH across the screen?
re-fried beans?2 -
bellanca6561n✭✭✭✭✭
✭All of the melee weapon abilities, bow, and other combat mechanics rely on Stamina. It is appropriately named in that sense.
The issue is that we can't have evey single class ability and their morphs use magicka, because that wouldn't be balanced. So, some of them fall under stamina for that reason.
There are more melee/bow weapon skills that use stam (plus roll dodge, block, break free and interrupt) than there are class skill morphs. Given that, I don't think it's unreasonable that the literal meaning of the word stamina is blurred a bit for the sake of balance.
Sure, this isn't ideal. But correcting it would require a major revamp of the combat and skill system. I don't see that happening any time soon.
Yes, yes, yes, unlike me, you're being perfectly reasonable. Not asking for that. Just call it Green Skooma as @susmitds suggested....Skoomicak!2 -
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✭AtAfternoon wrote: »bellanca6561n wrote: »Then, patently LUDICROUS oxymorons such as stamina sorcerer would stop making me alternately roll my eyes or giggle.
When you pick a pre-defined class in Oblivion, sorcerers are described as "besting the most well-equipped fighters, they rely on the spells of the mystic arts. Unique to these mages is the bodily stamina to be armed with the thickest armor".
So I personally don't find a stamina sorc, using magicka to buff themselves and streaking around while wearing heavy armour and hitting you with a sword, that strange.
You, sir or madam, have a far greater capacity for imaginative fantasy than I, alas
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✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »bellanca6561n wrote: »I like Green Skooma!
As for using stamicka to run, what do those Sorcerers use to not just run, but to FLASH across the screen?
re-fried beans?
Yes! Now they just have to add the proper sound effects.1 -
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✭AtAfternoon wrote: »bellanca6561n wrote: »Then, patently LUDICROUS oxymorons such as stamina sorcerer would stop making me alternately roll my eyes or giggle.
When you pick a pre-defined class in Oblivion, sorcerers are described as "besting the most well-equipped fighters, they rely on the spells of the mystic arts. Unique to these mages is the bodily stamina to be armed with the thickest armor".
So I personally don't find a stamina sorc, using magicka to buff themselves and streaking around while wearing heavy armour and hitting you with a sword, that strange.
I had similar thoughts as this Stam Sorc meta developed.
This was a Sorc from Oblivion:
A heavy armor sword and board Redguard Sorcerer using elemental and alteration magic. Now where have we heard that one before? 6 -
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✭✭Stamina mage OPPC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
Finally a reason not to play League of Legends2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2 -
DoccEff✭✭✭✭✭bellanca6561n wrote: »Then, patently LUDICROUS oxymorons such as stamina sorcerer would stop making me alternately roll my eyes or giggle.
Stam-sorc sounds better anyway.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Haha! I know you are mostly being silly OP, but you are totally right. The fact is, "stamina" is supposed to be an appropriately used resource in TES games for things that would require physical bodily effort. In ESO however, we are plagued with a few of the most inept developers in the industry who do whatever the hell they want regardless of lore and logic.Edited by Solariken on November 6, 2016 5:30PM4 -
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✭✭✭Pendrillion wrote: »Its called stamina because Elder Scrolls had always called it stamina.
wrong.. before Oblivion is was called "Fatique".
Edit: I was wrong to, only Skyrim called it Stamina.
But they should make a seperate bar called "fatique" then which is used for block, sprint and dodge rofl.Edited by Knootewoot on November 6, 2016 5:40PM٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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