vMA is very rewarding

jakeedmundson

You know.... the first time you beat it. It actually does feel good to beat the arena. It's difficult and very unforgiving so it really is a fun accomplishment.

But then days go by... you do 10 more runs and get 5 bows (defending and nirn), 3 sword/shield sets (powered and infused), and 2 two handed axes (infused)....Then weeks go by and you do more runs and end up with the same garbage somehow... (save your lectures on RNG, i know how it works but the problem is the RNG itself - it shouldn't be this deep in vMA)
I still haven't seen an axe or dagger or ANY destro staff.... not one... and nothing sharpened.

Has the joke run its course yet at the ZOS office? Very funny folks... we all had a good laugh "ha" "ha" nice work on staying committed to the joke... but can we get something useful please for beating the hardest solo content in the game?... a dozen times? 50 times? At least give us some hope for change in the future....

If no.... then I suggest we make all trial drops like vMA. Every piece of jewelry that comes from vet trials should now come with all traits. I just want it to be fair for everyone... oh and take away the item trading in groups... then it might be similar to how the drops are in vMA. Say hello to 38 untrade-able, unsellable, ornate rings of vicious ophidian

Masel

I got four sharpened weapons in my first four runs in there(bow,lightning,2h axe and Sword), and after that, it went to crappy town. Been waiting for an inferno staff for 30 runs now.

Banana

The only thing I got in sharpened was 1 handed swords, maces and a resto staff. I dont do it anymore. Its not worth the stress.

jakeedmundson

Come on ZOS... give us some kind of input here.

Blink once for "we're not changing a thing"
Blink twice for "we know it sucks, we're working on something to make it better"

We all know the drop rates are horrible... and it kills character progression.

If we can't progress our characters... then why would we continue?

Julianos

i just gave up with VMA no sharpened drops its not worth my time if someone going to do it do it for achievement title and polymorph otherwise *** VMA

Vildebill

Only do it for fun, people have done countless runs and even quit the game because of the lousy drops.

If you're in there for the grind your game experience will be spoiled, so just don't.

jakeedmundson

Vildebill wrote: »

Only do it for fun, people have done countless runs and even quit the game because of the lousy drops.

If you're in there for the grind your game experience will be spoiled, so just don't.

Well that's the point of this thread.... vMA shouldn't be so much of a grind. All other trials (DSA included) have ways of trading gear and they even have better chances of getting the desired items. The number of times i've completed vMA exceeds the number of group veteran trials I've completed when they're added together....That's ridiculous to even think about...

I have multiple sets of BiS trial jewelry in gold... and not 1 sharpened/precise destro staff from vMA.

S'yn

VMSA is like having the RNG role play "Bubba" in the men's shower room in prison, and every weapon you want is a bar of soap on the floor. If you bend over to pick it up, usually nothing good will come of it...

CultOfMMO

roll multiple class/builds and only do it once a week on each for leaderboard rewards, aka 2 weapons per run.

efficient, and actually quite fun due to the diversity

nine9six

Precisely (lol) why I don't run it.

jakeedmundson

S'yn wrote: »

VMSA is like having the RNG role play "Bubba" in the men's shower room in prison, and every weapon you want is a bar of soap on the floor. If you bend over to pick it up, usually nothing good will come of it...

That's a fairly accurate comparison... yes.

jakeedmundson

CultOfMMO wrote: »

roll multiple class/builds and only do it once a week on each for leaderboard rewards, aka 2 weapons per run.

efficient, and actually quite fun due to the diversity

if you can actually get on the leaderboards... sure. On PS4 you need at least 520k for last place. I guess i'm not that good to be on the leaderboard. i usually end up with 5 deaths (random poison crap from round 7) and a death or two in round 9 from bars not switching/skills not firing. I think my score averages around 470k now?

strikeback1247

My rules for doing vMSA:

1. NEVER do it while frustrated.
2. Do not get angry over it.
3. Do not do it just for the weapons.

I personally complete it twice a week on my stamdk and magplar for the leaderboard rewards and that is more than enough for me. 2 times a week makes it so that it's still enjoyable for me to go through all the stages and the rewards are also pretty good (4 weapons for 2 runs)

CultOfMMO

jakeedmundson wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

roll multiple class/builds and only do it once a week on each for leaderboard rewards, aka 2 weapons per run.

efficient, and actually quite fun due to the diversity

if you can actually get on the leaderboards... sure. On PS4 you need at least 520k for last place. I guess i'm not that good to be on the leaderboard. i usually end up with 5 deaths (random poison crap from round 7) and a death or two in round 9 from bars not switching/skills not firing. I think my score averages around 470k now?

safe to assume you're a sorc then?

either way, 470k should get you on NB, DK, and templar weeklies if you have those toons.

My stam sorc got on the weekly on the 2nd run, all time on the 5th run, but thats because i already had a *** ton of practice on my main stamblade.

personally switching classes/builds to do it just once a week works for me, keeps me sane. No freaking way im gona do vMA back to back on the same character

strikeback1247

CultOfMMO wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

roll multiple class/builds and only do it once a week on each for leaderboard rewards, aka 2 weapons per run.

efficient, and actually quite fun due to the diversity

if you can actually get on the leaderboards... sure. On PS4 you need at least 520k for last place. I guess i'm not that good to be on the leaderboard. i usually end up with 5 deaths (random poison crap from round 7) and a death or two in round 9 from bars not switching/skills not firing. I think my score averages around 470k now?

safe to assume you're a sorc then?

either way, 470k should get you on NB, DK, and templar weeklies if you have those toons.

My stam sorc got on the weekly on the 2nd run, all time on the 5th run, but thats because i already had a *** ton of practice on my main stamblade.

personally switching classes/builds to do it just once a week works for me, keeps me sane. No freaking way im gona do vMA back to back on the same character

On PC EU it doesn't even matter what your score is as a dk. The leaderboard almost never fills up.

probablyafk

Yeah, this is why I'm basically not bothing with this game much anymore. Halloween was fun but I got all my classes to 50 and my CP is edging up to 300 ... but the end game (as demonstrated to me by the Halloween RNG and discussions with friends) is basically too random.

I'm used to MMOs with weekly lock outs and things like that but none of them have the sense of hopelessness you have with ESO and the RNG here. It kinda caps your end game. No LFR or anything here, no way to control your loot. At most you get a few monster sets and then think ... oh, well, now I've just got somewhere between 5 and 500 runs of this stuff to do before I get that super important thing.

Boo.

jakeedmundson

CultOfMMO wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

roll multiple class/builds and only do it once a week on each for leaderboard rewards, aka 2 weapons per run.

efficient, and actually quite fun due to the diversity

if you can actually get on the leaderboards... sure. On PS4 you need at least 520k for last place. I guess i'm not that good to be on the leaderboard. i usually end up with 5 deaths (random poison crap from round 7) and a death or two in round 9 from bars not switching/skills not firing. I think my score averages around 470k now?

safe to assume you're a sorc then?

either way, 470k should get you on NB, DK, and templar weeklies if you have those toons.

My stam sorc got on the weekly on the 2nd run, all time on the 5th run, but thats because i already had a *** ton of practice on my main stamblade.

personally switching classes/builds to do it just once a week works for me, keeps me sane. No freaking way im gona do vMA back to back on the same character

Yeah i've been farming it on my sorc... its been the fastest and easiest way for me to do it. Even if i got on the leaderboards for the reward... it's still the same crappy chance as running it to get a weapon so it doesn't seem like a worth while effort yet.

Eleusian

I thought this would be a gripe post about all those excess inferno staffs people keep getting again.

Izaki

I got lucky for the first 20 times. Got all the daggers and axes i ever needed. Bows too. For the next 50 runs it all went to ***. 1 destro staff in powered...

ZOS_PeterT

We have moved this thread to: Dungeons, Trials & Arenas

jakeedmundson

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

We have moved this thread to: Dungeons, Trials & Arenas

Thank you for the input on this subject

bellanca6561n

A multiplayer game works best when it acknowledges a fundamental human truth: we exist solely through cooperation.

Pound for pound we are the weakest creatures on the planet. And if we imagine we are the most intelligent of these creatures it's only due to our evolved ability to work together in sophisticated ways.

From a simple....basic...mpgame design perspective it was a bewildering decision to put this silly thing into what was otherwise the best realized zone in the game. But it's tucked off to one corner, out of the way. No big deal.

But it has become a big deal for many. Partly because it's difficult. Partly because it offers grand and almighty weapons useful in group play. But mostly it's become a big deal because it does not offer the glorious heroes who conqueror it their choice of a reward.

Why not? Why the hell not?

It's perfectly fine to have random drops in group dungeons. The more people work together the more they also get what they want. We do, say, Crypt of Hearts, we give all our Leviathan drops to the party member looking for those pieces (nice system there with the two hour window), and head off to another group dungeon to help another person get the gear they want.

But in a single player arena? What....you looking to have people spend hours and hours playing with themselves?

Dump the RNG for VMA. Done and dusted. No harm done.

Pallio

Looking at magic builds who can achieve fairly high dps without vMA weapons, mostly due to terrible RNG knowing it could be another year before I get a useful weapon drop.

Alucardo

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

We have moved this thread to: Dungeons, Trials & Arenas

How about moving it to the department that deals with the RNG in this game?

smashcats

What I dont understand is why do they think we use any trait besides sharpened for a weapon? literally none of the other traits help in any way that we desire

Edit: I do like a Resto staff with defending trait for pvp though..I need one of those vMA!

jakeedmundson

smashcats wrote: »

What I dont understand is why do they think we use any trait besides sharpened for a weapon? literally none of the other traits help in any way that we desire

I could understand putting 2 or 3 usable traits in for each weapon... but not 8.

That would make the drops still fairly random but give people hope for getting the right weapons.

xaraan

Gotta be honest. This is why I haven't even tried vMA yet. It really doesn't look fun, just grueling, but I'd like the nice rewards. Just not going to do it 200 times to get the one thing I want. Kind of want my gaming to be fun.

Lukums1

There are people who have run it 30-50 times and got each item exactly what they wanted.

So it's possible.

I love the people who shrug and be like yeah... nah not for me too crappy rng.. too many *** stories clearing etc etc.

That's cool enjoy sub-par dps, while we go on shredding.

jakeedmundson

Lukums1 wrote: »

There are people who have run it 30-50 times and got each item exactly what they wanted.

So it's possible.

I love the people who shrug and be like yeah... nah not for me too crappy rng.. too many *** stories clearing etc etc.

That's cool enjoy sub-par dps, while we go on shredding.

Well the point is that the "reward" doesn't match the "work" at all. And you can get great dps without them... i've gotten on the leaderboards in every vet trial (except MoL) without mal weapons so far.

with a heavy attack build you can get maybe 3 to 4k dps extra with a sharpened lightning staff... and maybe 5 to 6k with stamina weapons. So people could still pull 40k+ without these weapons in a trial.

and btw...about those people that ONLY had to run it 40ish times.... thats still a terrible system. they literally spent 50+ hours to get 1 or 2 items. that is extremely unreasonable. Plus, those people are still out there that have run this place 100 times or more and still have nothing to show for it.... and i'm on track to be one of them.
MANY bow and shield drops for me... but i did finally get a precise staff!.... restoration.... so thanks for that

There is no carrot on the end of this stick

Lukums1

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

There are people who have run it 30-50 times and got each item exactly what they wanted.

So it's possible.

I love the people who shrug and be like yeah... nah not for me too crappy rng.. too many *** stories clearing etc etc.

That's cool enjoy sub-par dps, while we go on shredding.

Well the point is that the "reward" doesn't match the "work" at all. And you can get great dps without them... i've gotten on the leaderboards in every vet trial (except MoL) without mal weapons so far.

with a heavy attack build you can get maybe 3 to 4k dps extra with a sharpened lightning staff... and maybe 5 to 6k with stamina weapons. So people could still pull 40k+ without these weapons in a trial.

and btw...about those people that ONLY had to run it 40ish times.... thats still a terrible system. they literally spent 50+ hours to get 1 or 2 items. that is extremely unreasonable. Plus, those people are still out there that have run this place 100 times or more and still have nothing to show for it.... and i'm on track to be one of them.
MANY bow and shield drops for me... but i did finally get a precise staff!.... restoration.... so thanks for that

There is no carrot on the end of this stick

I don't disagree that the system is poor, I also don't agree that with the HUGE range of weapons and *** traits "something" needs to be done, I'm not sure what that something is, but removing the training/prosperous traits are a really good start.

It's RNG, you can smash out 3 runs a night without flinching (just assuming), is that not something to keep you going playing the game?
Isn't it exciting opening the chest regards of reward. For me it is... but I can't speak that plainly as I have everything so I don't care what I get... but is it still not fun all the same?

Perhaps I'm being a bit rough with those statements, but I think everyone deserves a fair "chance" and that's what we have.

clv

jakeedmundson wrote: »

You know.... the first time you beat it. It actually does feel good to beat the arena. It's difficult and very unforgiving so it really is a fun accomplishment.

But then days go by... you do 10 more runs and get 5 bows (defending and nirn), 3 sword/shield sets (powered and infused), and 2 two handed axes (infused)....Then weeks go by and you do more runs and end up with the same garbage somehow... (save your lectures on RNG, i know how it works but the problem is the RNG itself - it shouldn't be this deep in vMA)
I still haven't seen an axe or dagger or ANY destro staff.... not one... and nothing sharpened.

Has the joke run its course yet at the ZOS office? Very funny folks... we all had a good laugh "ha" "ha" nice work on staying committed to the joke... but can we get something useful please for beating the hardest solo content in the game?... a dozen times? 50 times? At least give us some hope for change in the future....

If no.... then I suggest we make all trial drops like vMA. Every piece of jewelry that comes from vet trials should now come with all traits. I just want it to be fair for everyone... oh and take away the item trading in groups... then it might be similar to how the drops are in vMA. Say hello to 38 untrade-able, unsellable, ornate rings of vicious ophidian

Jewelry pieces only come in the ideal trait for them, have you even done a vet trial?