Magicka Sorcerer optimal stats & priorities

Chelister

Hey everyone

So I am 400CP magicka sorcerer

My stats are:
27k magicka
2500 magicka recovery
1400 spell damage
35% crit

I am running 5 seducers + 3 willpower + 2 molag kena

I have no problem in sustaining myself, but when it comes to damage I struggle to deal enough burst or sustained damage

First I would really appreciate if someone could give some advice on how to changes things up so to have good damage, while not lacking the sustain
Right now I am mostly doing PVE, but my end goal is to equip my sorcerer & do lots of PVP
What stats should I prioritise in PVP & PVE?

I have also heard somewhere that Max Magicka somehow increases your spell damage or damage dealt & increases the strength of your shields
If it is true than could someone please explain how?

Thx!

Asgari

Change your food to the purple trifood, change your jewelry enchants to all spell dmg.

Chelister

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Change your food to the purple trifood, change your jewelry enchants to all spell dmg.

what about the gear & stat priorities ?
should I change mounds stone?

andreasranasen

Hi Chelister. PS4-message me ingame at @andreasranasen . I'm always down to help young Mag Sorcs. @Vaoh is also a great Sorcerer to ask for help and feedback!

For myself
PvE: 48.5k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.
PvP: 44k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.

My Soul Assaults does 88k dmg total. And my Elemental Rage does 11k dmg per second (9 sec).

#SorcererSociety

boom782

your max magicka is way too low and recovery way to high. Yes it is true that max magicka increases spell dmg. To see for you self slot inner light or bound aegis on one bar and not on the other. Since they both raise max magicka you will see your higher magicka bar does more tooltip damage on your skills.

Drop your seducer for Julianos or TBS. There is no need for more than 1200 recovery. I have 44k max magicka and only 780 recovery and can sustain just fine and out damage most people I run with.

Don't use tri food as suggested above. Use max magicka and HP food.

Lukums1

Ok my turn lol.

Drop seducers right now.

Replace with julianos or tbs.

Now here is where it gets interesting.

Force pulse, crystal frags, wall of elements, bound agies, inner light - metor
power surge, liquid lightning, boundless storm, bound agies, harden ward - energy overload
power surge, mages wrath, harden ward, bound agies, inner light - energy overload

Just do the above, I can speak for MONTHS ney years of experience.

Run recovery food, 5000 health 487 recovery, trust me. Most are not experienced enough to run max/max food.
And if you say ^$%!@ you Lukums I do what I want, that's fine run dark convergence or elemental drain to support the %$#@ you Lukums outburst.

Running spell power glyph on jewels, will power set julianos, will get you MUCH higher than what you're on.

With this almost setup below:

Vel skoria - julianos 5 piece, 5 piece elegant I have 19.5k HP 38k max magicka recovery food.

The issue is also your crit but will be resolved with inner light slotted and theif mundus.

MAX Magicka will make a difference how hard you'll hit and you're shields but having 100 in bastion with 35k + magicka will suffice.

Run elegant and hit for 40k + overloads run liquid, wall of elements and metor and dot the living hell out of things.

The other option is lightning build but I'll leave what I stated above as a suggestion for now.

FriedEggSandwich

2500 recovery is too much if you're also wearing seducer. Also seducer isn't really necessary for pve, try julianos or twice born star and maybe combine that with 5 spinners if you have the time to farm it. Save your seducer gear for pvp though cos it's a great set when you need sustain, you just don't really need that much sustain for pve. I run vma with 900 magicka recovery and cost reduction from cp only. Mundus stone for pve should be thief, or thief + shadow if you wear twice born star. Mundus stone for pvp should be mage or atronach depending on your needs. Use blue food for pve and purple food for pvp. Sorry this is brief, on my phone. Feel free to ask more questions though.

Clarkieson

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

2500 recovery is too much if you're also wearing seducer. Also seducer isn't really necessary for pve, try julianos or twice born star and maybe combine that with 5 spinners if you have the time to farm it. Save your seducer gear for pvp though cos it's a great set when you need sustain, you just don't really need that much sustain for pve. I run vma with 900 magicka recovery and cost reduction from cp only. Mundus stone for pve should be thief, or thief + shadow if you wear twice born star. Mundus stone for pvp should be mage or atronach depending on your needs. Use blue food for pve and purple food for pvp. Sorry this is brief, on my phone. Feel free to ask more questions though.

Agreed

i would add that farming nice sets is the way to go. I have farmed extensively and now i have a choice of some really nice gear.

Depending on what you want it does take time, and there are so many options on magic sorc that i just have not really settled on the best set ups for pve or pvp.

But for now im running 3 infallible aether jewellery, 2 piece illambris and 5 scathing mage, a sharpened inferno staff on bar 1 and a maelstrom inferno staff on bar 2. Still farming for sharpened maelstrom staff.

Been toying with a pvp build but not farmed the sets and as of yet i havent seen anyone mention it yet so im keeping it to myself, sorry!

M4YON

I personally have gone with

Jullianus 5 piece ( Everything but head and shoulders)
3 piece willpower (Neclace and rings)
3 Magnus ( Head, shoulders and destro/restro staff)

That gives me 1900 spell power 34k max Magicka, 2100 magicka recovery and 38.5% spell critical and I'm only at 201 champion points.

I have the divines trait on all of my gear, arcane on my rings and necklace and Nirnhoned on my staffs to increase weapon damage. My Boon is tge attronach to increase my magicka recovery which is how its so high.

Then add a food buff that last 2 hours and that increases all 3 stats by 4500+ and your good to go.

I can beat players up to 400 champion points with my build so I'm really looking forward to end game my only advice in skills is put power surge on your second bar to give you that extra kick the rest im sure you can figure out dont use crystal frags until it procs and insta casts.

DRXHarbinger

45k magika without pets, 3200 damage buffed only with surge (takes some stats with a pinch, some of largely inflated ) 62ish% crit. That is what most end game stats will look like.

Don't run recovery food, use blue food max magika and health. You have dark deal to gain 10k magika in 2s whilst being pretty much unkillable in pve, that stuff isn't needed, plus overload on bar bar gives 3% back on each hit, killing with force pulse gives like 4400 back. It's not needed at all except for frag spammers.

Dymence

My inner sorcerer died inside reading this thread

DRXHarbinger

Dymence wrote: »

My inner sorcerer died inside reading this thread

Why? Please show your beast sorc.

UrBaN_RaNgErZz

andreasranasen wrote: »

Hi Chelister. PS4-message me ingame at @andreasranasen . I'm always down to help young Mag Sorcs. @Vaoh is also a great Sorcerer to ask for help and feedback!

For myself
PvE: 48.5k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.
PvP: 44k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.

My Soul Assaults does 88k dmg total. And my Elemental Rage does 11k dmg per second (9 sec).

#SorcererSociety

I main a Sorc myself, how did you get those numbers? what sets and or skills do you use in order to get magika, crit and damage so high?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

UrBaN_RaNgErZz wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Hi Chelister. PS4-message me ingame at @andreasranasen . I'm always down to help young Mag Sorcs. @Vaoh is also a great Sorcerer to ask for help and feedback!

For myself
PvE: 48.5k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.
PvP: 44k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.

My Soul Assaults does 88k dmg total. And my Elemental Rage does 11k dmg per second (9 sec).

#SorcererSociety

I main a Sorc myself, how did you get those numbers? what sets and or skills do you use in order to get magika, crit and damage so high?

The crit, max magic and spell damage are easy, I want to know how he has 1.5k magic regen as well.

On my sorc, max CP and undaunted max, max magic/ max health food, on the dual wield bar, with kena proced and with inner light, bound armor with julinanos/elegant I hit those stat numbers easy, overload hits for 50k+ with the thief mundas I am 65℅ crit, my regen is only 875. He must use the atronach.

UrBaN_RaNgErZz

Ahh I see, I find kena difficult to keep up so I ditched it for llambris.
I also dont use DW I use destro resto.
5 Julianos, 3 Willpower jewellry, 2 llambris and any yellow sharpened inferno and resto.
I have in the region of 36k max magic 1200 recovery 48% crit and 3300 spell damage buffed.
all my gear is yellow and I use 5 light 1 1.

Does anyone have any suggestions that will give me more gains in dps?

FrostFallFox

Use the Thief stone and max bi-stat food on any PvE DPS character.

Dymence

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

My inner sorcerer died inside reading this thread

Why? Please show your beast sorc.

Well, your post regarding stats was pretty spot on, though I'd have to disagree with the use of dark deal and energy overload, since power overload gives more damage and damage is the name of the game.

What I meant is that everyone posting some half-half build without really going over the different options and concequences. I'll try to give some insight but my view might be slightly outdated as I'm kinda endgame (read:trials) PVE-retired right now.

For PVE, the best end and all monster set is pretty clear cut. 2 piece Ilambris is undoubtedly best in slot with no contest against any other monster set as a sorc.

For jewelry, you'll want to aim for having infallible aether jewelry but if you aren't running trials and aren't going to run trials you'll be looking at willpower jewelry. Always full spell damage enchants.

For your body 5 piece, you have several options:

- Twice-Born Star being the optimal raid-buffed set, while still being very balanced overall in any type of content;
- Julianos giving solid spell damage and crit, good performance without relying on RNG too much;
- Scathing Mage, never was a big fan of this set as I didn't get great uptime on it, but generally speaking it will outshine Julianos by a small margin and if you consider yourself favored by RNGesus you can push quite high damage with this, granted you have good uptime on the spell damage buff;
- Burning Spellweave is also a good option now I think, gives a great amount of raw spell damage with a good proc chance (20%), and more importantly it also applies burning (which doesn't naturally proc very often) on each proc from the set, giving your wall of elements considerably more damage.

For weapons, you'll always want to have at least one sharpened maelstrom inferno staff. If you can get your hands on infallible aether jewelry, try to get an infallible aether sharpened inferno/lightning staff with a spell damage enchant to it. If you can't, best would be to have a second sharpened maelstrom inferno/lightning staff or a random staff with spell damage enchant(my preference). If you can't get any maelstrom weapons for whatever reason, just use a random legendary sharpened staff. Just make sure you always have at least one inferno staff for the fire elemental blockade, the second one can be lightning or inferno depending on personal preference.

You want to be using the thief mundus stone for each setup, and thief+shadow for Twice-Born Star. Full divines traits on all gear pieces. For food you always use blue double stat food (HP/Mag).

Now there's several options in skillbars aswell. Your general full DPS bar setup will be the following:

Bar 1 (infal/random staff with spell damage enchant): Force pulse, crystal frags, velocious curse, bound aegis, inner light, shooting star
Bar 2 (Maelstrom inferno staff): Mages' wrath, elemental blockade, liquid lightning, bound aegis, inner light, power overload(you don't really ever use this ultimate, but it might be useful for a 3rd bar if you wanna have access to streak or something)

Another full DPS option is:

Bar 1 (Maelstrom inferno staff): Force pulse, crystal frags, elemental blockade, bound aegis, inner light, shooting star
Bar 2 (Infal/random staff with spell damage enchant): Mages' wrath, rearming trap, liquid lightning, bound aegis, inner light, power overload

Both of the above bar setups are sustainable as long as someone is running elemental drain for you (the healer should be) and both setups assume you are using spell power potions.

In the event that you are not so fortunate to have someone running elemental drain, as is the case in most pugs, and don't want to waste gold on spell power potions, I present to you my pug bar setup:

Bar 1 (Maelstrom inferno staff): Force pulse, crystal frags, elemental blockade, elemental drain, inner light, shooting star
Bar 2 (Infal/random staff with spell damage enchant): Mages' wrath, hardened ward, liquid lightning, power surge, inner light, power overload

I ended up writing more stuff down than I had originally intended, but I hope it's at least useful to someone.

andreasranasen

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

The crit, max magic and spell damage are easy, I want to know how he has 1.5k magic regen as well.

UrBaN_RaNgErZz wrote: »

I main a Sorc myself, how did you get those numbers? what sets and or skills do you use in order to get magika, crit and damage so high?

On my DW i'm sitting on 3.9k spell dmg. On my staff here which is why it's lower. Without Bound Aegis in PvP i'm sitting on 44k Max Mag. 48k+ with Bound Aegis.

s7732425ub17_ESO

andreasranasen wrote: »

Hi Chelister. PS4-message me ingame at @andreasranasen . I'm always down to help young Mag Sorcs. @Vaoh is also a great Sorcerer to ask for help and feedback!

For myself
PvE: 48.5k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.
PvP: 44k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.

My Soul Assaults does 88k dmg total. And my Elemental Rage does 11k dmg per second (9 sec).

#SorcererSociety

This is another one of those "let me post *** numbers without actually telling anyone my special build" posts.

andreasranasen

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Hi Chelister. PS4-message me ingame at @andreasranasen . I'm always down to help young Mag Sorcs. @Vaoh is also a great Sorcerer to ask for help and feedback!

For myself
PvE: 48.5k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.
PvP: 44k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.

My Soul Assaults does 88k dmg total. And my Elemental Rage does 11k dmg per second (9 sec).

#SorcererSociety

This is another one of those "let me post *** numbers without actually telling anyone my special build" posts.

lol. Screenshot is attached.

KingRegis

andreasranasen wrote: »

Hi Chelister. PS4-message me ingame at @andreasranasen . I'm always down to help young Mag Sorcs. @Vaoh is also a great Sorcerer to ask for help and feedback!

For myself
PvE: 48.5k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.
PvP: 44k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.

My Soul Assaults does 88k dmg total. And my Elemental Rage does 11k dmg per second (9 sec).

#SorcererSociety

Teach me In the ways of the magi

Myrrdinn2014

KingRegis wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Hi Chelister. PS4-message me ingame at @andreasranasen . I'm always down to help young Mag Sorcs. @Vaoh is also a great Sorcerer to ask for help and feedback!

For myself
PvE: 48.5k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.
PvP: 44k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.

My Soul Assaults does 88k dmg total. And my Elemental Rage does 11k dmg per second (9 sec).

#SorcererSociety

Teach me In the ways of the magi

Im actually curious about this as well your screenshot doesnt show jack about the build other then your numbers. What exactly are you wearing armor/jewelry/weapons what food cause those numbers are pretty freaking insane tbh for a magicka sorcerer lol.

M4YON

andreasranasen wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Hi Chelister. PS4-message me ingame at @andreasranasen . I'm always down to help young Mag Sorcs. @Vaoh is also a great Sorcerer to ask for help and feedback!

For myself
PvE: 48.5k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.
PvP: 44k Max Mag, 1500 Mag Rec, 3.9k Spell Dmg, 52% Spell Crit.

My Soul Assaults does 88k dmg total. And my Elemental Rage does 11k dmg per second (9 sec).

#SorcererSociety

This is another one of those "let me post *** numbers without actually telling anyone my special build" posts.

lol. Screenshot is attached.

Yes that screenshot is very nice but a run down of the gear, weapons and boon(s) you have on that particular character would be appreciated.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Be careful of stat screen shots that do not show active buffs. There is no way to know what buffs they are receiving at the time that shot was taken, and there can be a huge difference.

andreasranasen

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Be careful of stat screen shots that do not show active buffs. There is no way to know what buffs they are receiving at the time that shot was taken, and there can be a huge difference.

It says "Fort Dragonclaw Lumber", the only buff i had was emp buff (not the actual emperor buff) + scroll buffs which are minor and doesn't do that much to the stats except give a tiny bit more spell dmg, health and crit. I do not have a buff from the resource in that screenshot as it was already captured when i got there.

Only buffs i applied on myself in that screenshot is Bound Aegis, Inner Light and Blue food for Max Mag and Max Health.

Izaki

andreasranasen wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

The crit, max magic and spell damage are easy, I want to know how he has 1.5k magic regen as well.

UrBaN_RaNgErZz wrote: »

I main a Sorc myself, how did you get those numbers? what sets and or skills do you use in order to get magika, crit and damage so high?

On my DW i'm sitting on 3.9k spell dmg. On my staff here which is why it's lower. Without Bound Aegis in PvP i'm sitting on 44k Max Mag. 48k+ with Bound Aegis.

Too much recovery, not enough crit on your PvE build. You should be running TBS/Mother's Sorrow/Burning Spellweave/Scathing Mage + Infallible Aether + Ilambris. There's just no other way of putting out more DPS. Your PvP build sounds good though.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

andreasranasen wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Be careful of stat screen shots that do not show active buffs. There is no way to know what buffs they are receiving at the time that shot was taken, and there can be a huge difference.

It says "Fort Dragonclaw Lumber", the only buff i had was emp buff (not the actual emperor buff) + scroll buffs which are minor and doesn't do that much to the stats except give a tiny bit more spell dmg, health and crit. I do not have a buff from the resource in that screenshot as it was already captured when i got there.

Only buffs i applied on myself in that screenshot is Bound Aegis, Inner Light and Blue food for Max Mag and Max Health.

Says the person not posting their active buffs or gear loadout.

Grimtooth

I don't have any trouble running Sorc' in PvE, but in Cyrodiil that's a different story. Even my 10th lvl DK in Cyrodiil can kill any sorc that I have run across 1 on 1 that's 25 or more lvls higher than me. I don't even know all the in's and out's of the game like other people posting on here. Glad I saw this post though, now to go enhance up my Sorc'.

andreasranasen

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Be careful of stat screen shots that do not show active buffs. There is no way to know what buffs they are receiving at the time that shot was taken, and there can be a huge difference.

It says "Fort Dragonclaw Lumber", the only buff i had was emp buff (not the actual emperor buff) + scroll buffs which are minor and doesn't do that much to the stats except give a tiny bit more spell dmg, health and crit. I do not have a buff from the resource in that screenshot as it was already captured when i got there.

Only buffs i applied on myself in that screenshot is Bound Aegis, Inner Light and Blue food for Max Mag and Max Health.

Says the person not posting their active buffs or gear loadout.

lol. I can post my buffs but you would still not know if they are taken right after each other. But i can assure you my stats are legit My gear/build is still a work in progress, still don't have Maelstrom staffs/Masters Staff yet. I may drop my kena for better Magicka regen tho.

idk

@Chelister

The issue is your built for sustain rather than dealing damage. It's fine if that's what you desire, however your suggesting you want more.

Assuming PvE and that you do not have any trial gear.

Spell damage on all jewelry.
Julianos or TBS (TBS if your running with trial groups with WH. If so their and shadow mundus
Theif mundus
Monster helm Ilambris
Lightning stages w/spell damage enchants.
Divine on all armor. Magika enchants on all armor.

Simple setup. You'll find your damage increase significantly.

The the skills you use obviously make a differnce also, but that was not the question you asked.

Vaoh

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

The crit, max magic and spell damage are easy, I want to know how he has 1.5k magic regen as well.

UrBaN_RaNgErZz wrote: »

I main a Sorc myself, how did you get those numbers? what sets and or skills do you use in order to get magika, crit and damage so high?

On my DW i'm sitting on 3.9k spell dmg. On my staff here which is why it's lower. Without Bound Aegis in PvP i'm sitting on 44k Max Mag. 48k+ with Bound Aegis.

Too much recovery, not enough crit on your PvE build. You should be running TBS/Mother's Sorrow/Burning Spellweave/Scathing Mage + Infallible Aether + Ilambris. There's just no other way of putting out more DPS. Your PvP build sounds good though.

Don't discount Moondancer.

Moondancer > Aether cuz it looks cooler