1T magblade PVE sets

pcar944 · October 2016

I've been on a grind to get my Scathing Mage - and honestly I see more Divines drop in Normal then I've ever seen drop in Vet runs I used to do before

too bad I can't get the pieces I want, but that leads me to my question:

with the addition of a few sets with 1T, I may possibly subout 3 Willpower and 2 Nerenieth/Kena for one of these new 5pc sets

my question is about Mothers Sorrow and Spinner ofcourse

does a Magblade benefit from these sets? is it worth me loosing my Undaunted 9, loosing 3 Willposer, loosing a Monster set, to run either Mothers Sorrow or Spinner - this is assuming my other set is Scathing Mage and nothing else

I went out and bought/farmed every single piece of gear for Mothers and Spinner from guildies, zone chat, shopping around, questing in zones and getting right trait through RNG when completed a quest - only things I am missing are weapons

with a DW bar its possible that I may be able to get both 5pc bonuses and 2pc monster, but with my staff, I will loose both 5pc bonuses

any suggestions?

thanks

PS: I'm using a variation of Deltia's Magblade build, I am using Julianos (Gold) instead with heavy chest and medium pants both infused

Mush55 · October 2016

No idea but with the new jewellery drops the scathing mage grind starts again for me as I want 5 tbs and 5 scathing, but personally I would drop the infused and go all divines.

pcar944 · October 2016

its only infused so I can get even more resources on top of having Undanted 9

but I was thinking why not, the more chance to crit the higher chance to proc Scathing Mage?

I'll gain a few things just for wearing all light

any Magblades around?

code65536 · October 2016

The Shadow and Thief mundus stones are very powerful. If you're using either stone (or both, with TBS), then you should go all-divines.

If you're using any other mundus stone, then other traits start being competitive. As a DPS in PvE, you should always be using either Thief or Shadow, which is why all-divines is optimal for PvE DPS.

If you're just farming for Scathing body armor (or weapons), then nICP is the fastest way to do it, since the drops are CR160, and it's trivially easy and cheap to upgrade. The extra key fragments from vet (42 vs. 9, so 33 extra fragments) are moot since you need 150 fragments for a vault opening, and that doesn't make up for the time difference between vet and normal ICP farms. (Also, no traits are favored or disfavored--if you happened to get more Divines in normal, that's just your luck of the draw.)

However, if you want Scathing jewelry, then you should farm vICP so that you get purple jewelry instead of blue jewelry. That said, the final boss chest is currently bugged and does not drop jewelry as intended. The only way to get jewelry right now is from the vaults. I do have a full Scathing jewelry set, after some friends and I opened a lot of ICP vault keys, so I'm currently running TBS+Scathing for trials. It does pretty well, though I'm not sure if it's better than many of the other options available (only got my third ring less than 24 hours ago, so I haven't had a chance to really play with it).

exeeter702 · October 2016

code65536 wrote: »

The Shadow and Thief mundus stones are very powerful. If you're using either stone (or both, with TBS), then you should go all-divines.

If you're using any other mundus stone, then other traits start being competitive. As a DPS in PvE, you should always be using either Thief or Shadow, which is why all-divines is optimal for PvE DPS.

If you're just farming for Scathing body armor (or weapons), then nICP is the fastest way to do it, since the drops are CR160, and it's trivially easy and cheap to upgrade. The extra key fragments from vet (42 vs. 9, so 33 extra fragments) are moot since you need 150 fragments for a vault opening, and that doesn't make up for the time difference between vet and normal ICP farms. (Also, no traits are favored or disfavored--if you happened to get more Divines in normal, that's just your luck of the draw.)

However, if you want Scathing jewelry, then you should farm vICP so that you get purple jewelry instead of blue jewelry. That said, the final boss chest is currently bugged and does not drop jewelry as intended. The only way to get jewelry right now is from the vaults. I do have a full Scathing jewelry set, after some friends and I opened a lot of ICP vault keys, so I'm currently running TBS+Scathing for trials. It does pretty well, though I'm not sure if it's better than many of the other options available (only got my third ring less than 24 hours ago, so I haven't had a chance to really play with it).

um.. you didnt really address anything in relation to what the OP was saying / asking.

altemriel · October 2016

rattlecage ftw

Mush55 · October 2016

@code65536, let me know how scathing and TBS work out as I'm currently trying to farm for this set up on my mageblade.

pcar944 · October 2016

I know about Jewlery, a friend got one ring form opening the chest even though it was Normal

the trait thing sucks, absolutely, that's why all Normal runs - I've seen more Divine drops on Normal then I've ever seen on Vet

I switched to Thief, using Orzoga's food at the moment though, with a pot, 1600 regen is a lot

I was asking what can I pair out of new sets with Scathing Mage? I could do TBS, what about Spinner or Mothers Sorrow? that's my main question

thanks

pcar944 · October 2016

really hoped to catch some more weekend traffic, maybe I'll try other sub forums too

code65536 · October 2016

Spinner's is a good set for something like vMA (pair it with Julianos). The problem with Spinner is that in group play, you'll be overpenetrating. With sharp weapons and the light armor passive, you're already looking at around 10K penetration. Toss in the tank's taunt and Spinner, and you'll have penetrated past the 18K resistance of dungeon/trial/arena enemies. And that's before figuring in other forms of resistance mitigation, like a tank's Crusher enchant, Spell Erosion points, etc.

(Also, enemies outside of dungeons/trials have much less resistance, so you'll be overpenetrating there as well, though those enemies too easy anyway and not worth optimizing for.)

Mother's Sorrow + Shadow is strictly inferior to TBS + Thief/Shadow. Mother's Sorrow + Thief can potentially outperform TBS + Thief/Shadow, if you can maintain a high CHD. That means keeping Trap active at all times and having a lot of Major Force uptime from War Horns. I know Alcast recommends Sorrow + Thief in some of his builds, but keep in mind that his builds are optimized for a elite trials groups with tight War Horn rotations. My back-of-the-envelope math suggests that Sorrow + Thief is inferior to TBS in 4-man dungeons and in lesser trial groups. If we had a much higher CP cap (and thus more points that could be invested into Elfborn), Sorrow could shine, so maybe this can be revisited a year from now.

As for Scathing, I haven't had much chance to play this weekend. I briefly tried Scathing in vMA and quickly swapped back to my normal setup. The effective uptime was just too low (e.g., Scathing would proc as I'm killing an enemy, and then a good chunk of that short 6s proc is wasted as I switch to my next target), but I had more or less expected that--even on paper Scathing didn't look like a good choice for short bursty fights like what you get in vMA. Hopefully I'll have a chance to play with it in proper group content later, but I've been so short on time...

pcar944 · October 2016

if I remember Scathing Mage card correctly it says on a crit - so I was hoping to pair it with a set that increases crit - or is that only chance to crit granted by Thief stone?

Mush55 · October 2016

As code stated above mothers sorrow is a crit set and that is the only stat it has no idea how it would work out.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2016

The problem with the double 5 piece idea for PVE DPS, is that you basically have to drop Minor Slayer and a monster set to make the 5 piece set work. That's a tough trade. I was originally in the camp of trying to go 5 scathing, 5 TBS, but my instinct is that it will not be better. In a trial, dropping TBS is really tough because of how shadow scales with warhorn. I know some people that seem to get slightly better results from scathing, but I think its splitting hairs.

Autolycus · October 2016

I posted this in a related thread asking pretty much the same question. I don't have a definitive answer as of yet, but I theorize that Sad Mama (Mother's Sorrow) + Scathing Mage has the potential to outperform Scathing + Monster + 3pc Jewelry. I am quite confident that 5 Sad Mama with Scathing will easily outperform all monster sets for a magblade except Grothdarr. The real question is whether or not it outperforms a 2pc Monster and Minor Slayer. It's very difficult to outpace Minor Slayer right now.

I'm still in the process of testing this and don't have results yet because I'm working on getting perfect traits for practical testing. On paper, the concept looks good and seems to have the potential to outpace pre-1T setups, or at the very least, remain competitive. Minor Slayer is very good though, so I could see the end result shifting in either direction. I don't see this setup outperforming previous setups unless crit chance is 90%+.

I want to disclose a constraint on this concept though. Take this with a grain of salt (since I'm still testing), but chances are that this setup with underperform in 4man content. The idea here is to take advantage of strict War Horn rotations and constant Minor/Major Force, or in other words, to have high crit damage all the time. This kind of setup has min/maxing written all over it. If you don't run the hardest of content, stick with some combination of TBS, Scathing, Monster 2pc, and jewelry with Minor Slayer (I recommend IA over Moondancer for the crit).

pcar944 · October 2016

I don't have IA, I have body, but I never got Jewls, and groups I ran with were friends and I was a pug, so I was last in line to get anything, even when I offered 100k+ for rings

so for me its, Julianos/Nerenieth/WIllpower/Torugs right now

code65536 · October 2016

pcar944 wrote: »

I don't have IA, I have body, but I never got Jewls, and groups I ran with were friends and I was a pug, so I was last in line to get anything, even when I offered 100k+ for rings

so for me its, Julianos/Nerenieth/WIllpower/Torugs right now

You'll be fine without Infal. Minor Slayer does not stack properly with execute damage. Unless ZOS addresses this issue, magblades and magplars will do just fine with Willpower. (Magplars are actually better off with Willpower, and for magblades, it's more or less a wash.)

pcar944 · October 2016

code65536 wrote: »

pcar944 wrote: »

I don't have IA, I have body, but I never got Jewls, and groups I ran with were friends and I was a pug, so I was last in line to get anything, even when I offered 100k+ for rings

so for me its, Julianos/Nerenieth/WIllpower/Torugs right now

You'll be fine without Infal. Minor Slayer does not stack properly with execute damage. Unless ZOS addresses this issue, magblades and magplars will do just fine with Willpower. (Magplars are actually better off with Willpower, and for magblades, it's more or less a wash.)

do you know if chance to crit only off mundus stone, or if I wear armor that increases crit it works the same way?

scathing mage says when doing crit damage so wearing armor that gives high crit should be ok

or what do they mean by "direct damage"? light/heavy attack? or anything that crits can proc it?

code65536 · October 2016

pcar944 wrote: »

do you know if chance to crit only off mundus stone, or if I wear armor that increases crit it works the same way?

Crit chance is crit chance. Source is irrelevant.

pcar944 wrote: »

or what do they mean by "direct damage"?

Not a DoT.

Eweroun · October 2016

Currently stuffed my magblade with 5pc Mothers Sorrow/3piece infallible/2piece Nerenieth + 2x random sharpened staff
pulling 30K dps without any problem in trials

looking into it further, but with a 80% crit chance it hurts not bad at all.

pcar944 · October 2016

got lucky with inferno sharpened Scathing Mage staff, still no pants

still want 5 lower body so I can try it out w monster set/willpower combos etc

Deathgiggle · October 2016

Eweroun wrote: »

Currently stuffed my magblade with 5pc Mothers Sorrow/3piece infallible/2piece Nerenieth + 2x random sharpened staff
pulling 30K dps without any problem in trials

looking into it further, but with a 80% crit chance it hurts not bad at all.

What is your health at with the food buff? I ask because I can boost my crit to 80% but my health will sit at 17.8k with food buff. Currently I have 69% crit but have 21.8k health.

Asardes · October 2016

I'm not experienced as DD, having almost exclusively tanked until now. But I've leveled a few more characters and amassed a lot of gear over the last 9 months or so:

I have both a veteran level Sorcerer and Templar, still in training, didn't want to put them in group content before I've finished training everything. My Nightblade is still low level, so I can't have her use the gear.

Yesterday I had very good luck with the drops in VICP. In 2 runs I got:
1 x Hat of the Scathing Mage (Divines)
1 x Shoes of the Scathing Mage (Divines) - already had one pair
1 x Gloves of the Scathing Mage (Divines)
2 x Rings of the Scathing Mage (Arcane)
Basically the full set, and I had more divine armor pieces before that - pants, epaulets, probably chest too so I can make multiple combos.

I want to pair this set with 5 piece crafted set and 1 or 2 piece monster set.

I was thinking about something like:

Version 1:
5 x Law of Julianos (divines heavy chest, medium legs, light hands & feet, sharp fire / lightning staff)
5 x Scathing Mage (divines light shoulders & hands, 3 arcane jewelry)
1 x Iceheart (divines light head) - just for more critical chance

Version 2:
5/4 x Law of Julianos (divines heavy chest, medium legs, light hands & feet, 2 x sharp swords / staff)
5 x Scathing Mage (divines light feet & hands, 3 arcane jewelry)
2 x Iceheart (divines light head & shoulders)

The latter build is also hardy, since 8600 damage shield can make the difference for a ~17-18K health squishy DD. The sorcerer especially will be very hard to kill in this setup, since on critial hits he heals, and has a 20% chance to gain both damage shield and extra spell damage. Though maybe the damage can be increased further with other setups. But a dead DD has 0 DPS and ties up others to resurrect him.

Would they work on my Sorcerer, or even my Templar, or should I wait for my Nightblade to try them out for optimal results?

Nuntjako · October 2016

How about the necropotence set? I know the shades steal the spell power cure buff, so its not good for trials. But for dungeons?

Im on PS4 so testing it is difficult, but Im doing better numbers with 5pc necropotence, 5pc julianos and 1 pc Kena than 5 julianos, 3 willpower, and 2 skoria/2 kena(not much for kena).

C4Bliss · October 2016

-5 BSW + Skoria/grothdarr + 4 Eather for VMA, Solo, 4man
-5tbs + skoria + 4 eather for trials if you have a good warhorn uptime.

You can swap the weapons for maelstrom and/or masters. I prefer Skoria because i use a variant of Nos his Dot build. If i go with a spammable and sap i will take grothdarr.

Eweroun · October 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

Eweroun wrote: »

Currently stuffed my magblade with 5pc Mothers Sorrow/3piece infallible/2piece Nerenieth + 2x random sharpened staff
pulling 30K dps without any problem in trials

looking into it further, but with a 80% crit chance it hurts not bad at all.

What is your health at with the food buff? I ask because I can boost my crit to 80% but my health will sit at 17.8k with food buff. Currently I have 69% crit but have 21.8k health.

17,8K health is fine no?
is around the same for me...

Eweroun · October 2016

Asardes wrote: »

The latter build is also hardy, since 8600 damage shield can make the difference for a ~17-18K health squishy DD. The sorcerer especially will be very hard to kill in this setup, since on critial hits he heals, and has a 20% chance to gain both damage shield and extra spell damage. Though maybe the damage can be increased further with other setups. But a dead DD has 0 DPS and ties up others to resurrect him.

Would they work on my Sorcerer, or even my Templar, or should I wait for my Nightblade to try them out for optimal results?

17-18K health is not squishy as a DD. Squishy is 14-16K health... and even then...
I manage to get through almost entire dungeons with les health...
don't stand in the red circles... sap essence groups and well.... block once in a while...

not to hard on a magNB with all the health refund

pcar944 · October 2016

so I just tried a few things - got my last Scathing Mage piece - but they are infused pants

5 scathing and 5 mothers sorrow

5 scathing and 2 nerenieth

5 mothers sorrow and 2 nerenieth (what I enjoyed using the most)

scathing procs a lot with twisting path, its one of the buffs I have to keep up along with elemental blockade, scathing proc with nerenieth proc is really nice

but overall damage of Mothers Sorrow and Nerenieth is so good, even though on a card my toon has low spell damage

so I think for now, I will try and use Mothers Sorrow and Nerenieth and 3 Willpower, will probably try Scathing Mage and Nerenieth as well just to see

I'm new to Magblade, my rotation timing needs a lot of work, I also need practice on weaving - sometimes my LA's don't go off at all

pcar944 · October 2016

vet vault of madness, at the end, 1:51 and 20k dps +4 - zone chat says AOE and trash mob so its +4 - with nerenieth and mothers sorrow

again, I'm far from a pro

ryanborror · October 2016

I'm under the impression that minor slayer is not as valuable for nb because it doesn't stack well with percentage based abilities like impale and merciless, so I've stuck with willpower. Problem is I'm afraid to lose my kena and willpower. I have a full set of mothers sorrow now that I want to try but I don't know what to pair it with.

pcar944 · October 2016

ditched everything, back to 5 gold light julianos + 3 willpower + nerenieth/Grothdar (nerenieth all light, Grothdar I have medium and heavy divines so I can use undaunted 9)

not sure which monster I like more

can anyone direct me anywhere where I can learn better about rotation/animation canceling? somehow I see people using similar setups and destroy things while I cant, or is this current state of magblade?

because it seems like with mobs - just melt away, when it comes to single target DPS - its such crap

altemriel · October 2016

pcar944 wrote: »

ditched everything, back to 5 gold light julianos + 3 willpower + nerenieth/Grothdar (nerenieth all light, Grothdar I have medium and heavy divines so I can use undaunted 9)

not sure which monster I like more

can anyone direct me anywhere where I can learn better about rotation/animation canceling? somehow I see people using similar setups and destroy things while I cant, or is this current state of magblade?

because it seems like with mobs - just melt away, when it comes to single target DPS - its such crap

about animation cancelling, check these out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZYoEztDilE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLZzGoPp9Ug

and also here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3457257/#Comment_3457257