When is CP180 gear coming?

Jules

I have heard alarming reports that gear cap will be increased to cp180 in the near future; as soon as update 13. This is extremely troubling considering the massive overhaul of sets this current patch and the endless grind to acquire these nearly 50 new sets- not to mention the gold sink required to do so. I hope that what I have heard is inaccurate, but am interested to see how both the community and the devs feel about this looming gear upgrade. How do you feel about cp180 gear in the near future, and if negatively, why and when would be a more appropriate time to enact such a thing?

timidobserver

Hopefully never.

With this new scaling shenanigans, raising the Gear CP level would be pointless. Typically when games increase the max level it is because new content and gear are locked behind that new max level. Thanks to scaling, gear or content will never be locked behind a certain CP level. The only thing raising the gear CP level would do is make people grind for a few hours and then spend from hundreds of thousands to millions of gold recrafting and regrinding their gear.

RinaldoGandolphi

Hopefully never

Gear grind is enough with RNG and traits last thing we need is another gear level increase

olsborg

Hopefully Never!

The grind to get gear and to get the sets you want is excruciating af. If some or all of it suddenly became subpar, I would quit the game fast af because at this time, the grind has been terrible and I cant do it again, no sirree.

Scamandros

At this point I would feel there is never going to be an appropriate time to increase gear cap.

The gear lottery is rubbish at the moment, it can take literal days of farming in groups to obtain a single item you want of a particular set. Weapons I feel have been excessively hard to find in decent traits/types. Unless drop rates get shaken up, or some mechanic is added to put a hard limit on the time you can spend before finding/earning your desired item, then a gear increase is going to be infuriating for everyone who currently plays.

On top of this, there is nothing really that cp180 gear cap is going to change. This update reintroduced just about every old set I can image and a whole lot of new ones. Seasonal/level based gear isn't a thing anymore, everything has been set up to scale rewards to you. Current sets aren't going to be phased out anymore and any new sets are going to have to be excessively OP to justify running over any of current sets that would scale to cp180. Or they simply won't be better and we will have the exact same game and meta, just with everyone having slightly higher stats and having to go through the painstaking process of re-obtaining all their gear at a new level to continue to complete the same old content. It makes no sense to do this, better just to add in any new sets to the pool at cp160 and be done with it.

Derra

That will be the point when i definetly leave the game.

Maybe earlier when the grind for a specific (because needed) sharpened weapon of a dungeon set proves to be too hard to endure.

KisoValley

Hopefully never as people have said. Would consider quitting if that comes around.

zyk

The worst part about the gear grind is that it's a rehash of a rehash of a rehash. A player returning from this time two years ago will see us doing mostly the same content.... over and over and over and over again.

I stay for my friends. But never again, ZOS. Never again.

redspecter23

There is no player based reason to ever increase the gear cap again now that all content is scaled to max level. All it would serve to do is put you back on the hamster wheel to regrind what you already had to get back to where you were before. I can't imagine too many people would be impressed with that situation.

At this point, they could probably just strip the levels away from all gear and just have it scale up with you. Anything that is under cp160 is irrelevant after a few days of play per toon (a few weeks for more casual players).

LegacyDM

I hope they implement a token or material system that allows us to upgrade our gear. I don't care how bad the grind Is as long as it's not rng based. If it takes 6 months to collect materials needed to update gear that's better than the torture of relying on dungeon, overland, or keys rng to obtain new versions of the pieces we painfully worked for. If I have to run vaults of madness one more time I'm going to go mad and probably cancel my subscription. But the post above he has s really good solution.

zyk

I don't mind a gear grind when it's tied to substantial new content such as a conventional MMO expansion. It's fun to collect the better equipment required to defeat new, challenging content.

In this case, we're all grinding to do what we've already been doing. For years. It's idiotic.

Manoekin

Just need an upgrade system.

WhiteMage

I don't want to re-grind the sets I just grinded, or remake and retemper the sets I just crafted.

Hopefully never.

imredneckson

Jules wrote: »

I have heard alarming reports that gear cap will be increased to cp180 in the near future; as soon as update 13. This is extremely troubling considering the massive overhaul of sets this current patch and the endless grind to acquire these nearly 50 new sets- not to mention the gold sink required to do so. I hope that what I have heard is inaccurate, but am interested to see how both the community and the devs feel about this looming gear upgrade. How do you feel about cp180 gear in the near future, and if negatively, why and when would be a more appropriate time to enact such a thing?

I hope they won't but I know they will but If they are then they need to lower the number of mats it takes to make armor and weapons

TheDarkRuler

Any increase in maximum gear level would be very weird.
Why?
Because we're all increased to max anyway.
So by increasing the cap to lets say 180 it would only give grind because there would be no improvement.
We're all capped anyways.

Eirella

Plz god no, I don't want to grind any more ;-;
Like others stated, we need an upgrade system.

redspecter23

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

Any increase in maximum gear level would be very weird.
Why?
Because we're all increased to max anyway.
So by increasing the cap to lets say 180 it would only give grind because there would be no improvement.
We're all capped anyways.

It would actually be wackier than that. Day 1, the cap goes up to 180. You are then a cp 180 toon with cp 160 gear in cp 180 content. You've actually LOST power compared to where you were a day before.

Chori

I would consider quitting if they do, I certainly do not wnt to come home from work and have to regrind all the mats to gold my stuff out again. Absolutely not.

HoloYoitsu

redspecter23 wrote: »

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TheDarkRuler wrote: »

Any increase in maximum gear level would be very weird.
Why?
Because we're all increased to max anyway.
So by increasing the cap to lets say 180 it would only give grind because there would be no improvement.
We're all capped anyways.

It would actually be wackier than that. Day 1, the cap goes up to 180. You are then a cp 180 toon with cp 160 gear in cp 180 content. You've actually LOST power compared to where you were a day before.

Hey that's exactly what happened when CP came out in 1.6 and we were overnight weaker cuz they took a bunch of stuff from our base stats and gated it behind CP! Surely ZOS would never do something like that again...

Telel

Khajiit would be fine with it but ONLY if they permit us a way to level up older items we've already spent so much time investing in.

Possibly a means by which a fully leveled crafter could upgrade a legendary item to a higher level using other materials. This seems reasonable enough especially if it requires us to complete some of the new content to acquire the 'upscaling' material in the first place.

They'd also like a way to change the styles of the item as well.

Considering that Telel has DOZENS of sets they've spent much time nad gold in acquiring they're not sure if they could maintain an interest in this game if they were to suddenly become obsolete. Hopefully ZOS learned their lesson from the relase of IC when they did pretty much that and drove away a number of players.

Docmandu

Hopefully never

If I wanted a gear grinder, I'd be playing WoW... Update 12 moved in the WoW direction though.. not liking it at all... but at least it didn't come with a gear CP bump. (pity it did have a +30 cp cap increase)

leeux

Perhaps a year from now maybe, and then could be considered as an option. Raising the gear cap so soon after introducing a huge amount of gear, it would just be malice and dishonest.

I sum my voice to those that said it would be idiotic, to say the least.

Lord_Hev

I will quit this game for good, that will be the one final nail that does it to me, i do not care if they buff magic builds. They add in another grueling rng farm after this, I'm done.

Jaiden

I bet they scrap CPs and we now put the points we've accumulated into our character stats of hp/stam/magicka. Incoming 150k hp tanks.

Rohamad_Ali

I hope never . Takes forever to get mats for 160 still .

Esgameplaya1

Telel wrote: »

Khajiit would be fine with it but ONLY if they permit us a way to level up older items we've already spent so much time investing in.

Possibly a means by which a fully leveled crafter could upgrade a legendary item to a higher level using other materials. This seems reasonable enough especially if it requires us to complete some of the new content to acquire the 'upscaling' material in the first place.

They'd also like a way to change the styles of the item as well.

Considering that Telel has DOZENS of sets they've spent much time nad gold in acquiring they're not sure if they could maintain an interest in this game if they were to suddenly become obsolete. Hopefully ZOS learned their lesson from the relase of IC when they did pretty much that and drove away a number of players.

Khajiit would be fine if Khajiit would stop talking like such an absolute nerd!!

Psilent

Jules wrote: »

I have heard alarming reports that gear cap will be increased to cp180 in the near future; as soon as update 13. This is extremely troubling considering the massive overhaul of sets this current patch and the endless grind to acquire these nearly 50 new sets- not to mention the gold sink required to do so. I hope that what I have heard is inaccurate, but am interested to see how both the community and the devs feel about this looming gear upgrade. How do you feel about cp180 gear in the near future, and if negatively, why and when would be a more appropriate time to enact such a thing?

Source of these alarming reports?

I would think if they were going to raise the level cap to CP180 it would have been better to do it when One Tamriel released, since this is kind of like a gear reset for most people. However, I should know by now that Zenimax doesn't always do what is logical.

Alucardo

Surely they aren't stupid enough to raise it to CP180 right after adding 30 new sets and 17 undaunted sets.

Asgari

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they did. However I see no reason to increase the cap with housing right around the corner. Usually level caps are done for gold sink and power increase for new content. But with housing that will entail so much gold that we won't need any real gear increase. They can always adjust level caps and adjust current gear values at the same time for new harder content.

ESO is reaching the point in CP and Gear where any increases in value only makes the game worse. Severely inflated stats and resources doesn't make for an overall friendly game. For those who were around think of the CP 3600 fiasco when 1.6 was on the testing server.

Alucardo

I really just think you got fed a load of B.S, Jules. I'm sure they'd give us ample notice before raising the cap. So many people would straight up leave the game if all this grinding after one tamriel was for nothing. And vMA... jesus, don't even get me started on that.
This is why I tend not to listen to rumours, unless they come from ZOS themselves. You'll just end up with sleepless nights and hair loss.

bikerangelo

Were these the same people that told you that Purify was getting nerfed, then it wasn't nerfed and was just a fix on synergy cooldowns?

Maybe next time you should just make a poll on whether or not ZOS should raise the gear cap to cp 180, because:
1). If it's not true, then no harm no foul.
2). If it is true, then ZOS can get some solid community feedback and evaluate it from there, rather than having to sift through threatening remarks about leaving the game over future changes.
3). These rumors were probably told in confidence, and plastering the forums with accusations based on rumors just hurts what little trust ZOS devs have with the player base.