[POLL] - Should vMSA weapons be tradeable/sellable ?

Snit

The real problem is that sharpened is too good, relative to the other choices.

covenant_merchant

Yes

Snit wrote: »

The real problem is that sharpened is too good, relative to the other choices.

True. But I doubt this will change, and point is, the only way to compensate for a sub-par weapon atm is to wear Spinner / Spriggan, and even then, it's not the best and most evident choice for many builds.

Masel

No

I'm against making the weapons tradable, because those and the master weapons would lose all the speciality they have when they become tradable. I agree on the fact that there should be alternatives for them that can be acquired in a different way, e.g. PvP leaderboards or PvP tournaments with rounds that reward the winners (and/or winner teams) with chests. Maybe weapons that empower the third skill from each skill line. Or add another damn arena so the weekly isn't always vMA

Solus

Yes

kasa-obake wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

The real problem is that sharpened is too good, relative to the other choices.

True. But I doubt this will change, and point is, the only way to compensate for a sub-par weapon atm is to wear Spinner / Spriggan, and even then, it's not the best and most evident choice for many builds.

I run 5 spriggan w/ two sharp and its very good. Sure a proc set could potentially be better, but the constant pen i feel is better.

EDIT: i re-read what you said and my response is completely irrelevant. lol

Alucardo

I do not subscribe to the vMSA weapons' hype

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@kasa-obake

First, absolutly no and it would go against the new design let some how it should be.

Second, your poll is extreemly poorly creates. So many irrelevant choices that can only skew a poll that would not reflect the ESO community by design (most players are not active in forums).

In conclusion, the poll offers no usually information for Zos.

If anyone else is like me and couldn't understand a word of this gibberish, I took the liberty of using google translate to see what they were talking about.

MLRPZ

I DPS naked with my fists because end-game dungeons are too easy. As such, idc about vMSA weapons.

I would rather have a token system cause atm i'm farming this like a mad person (Been in the leaderboard since vMA release with all my chars) and still no sharpened dagger

covenant_merchant

Yes

MLRPZ wrote: »

I would rather have a token system cause atm i'm farming this like a mad person (Been in the leaderboard since vMA release with all my chars) and still no sharpened dagger

I feel you buddy still no sharpened staff for me. *curses herself for exploiting with the only sharpened staff she had*

Alucardo

I do not subscribe to the vMSA weapons' hype

kasa-obake wrote: »

MLRPZ wrote: »

I would rather have a token system cause atm i'm farming this like a mad person (Been in the leaderboard since vMA release with all my chars) and still no sharpened dagger

I feel you buddy still no sharpened staff for me. *curses herself for exploiting with the only sharpened staff she had*

ENJOY YOUR DISEASE ENCHANTMENT LOL

Alucardo

I do not subscribe to the vMSA weapons' hype

Sorry, the extended maintenance makes me a little angry

Hempyre

No

hell no.

this will just create a pipeline of gear to guildies and high market pricing. And completely ruin the whole point of the content.

Couldn't think of a worse idea.

covenant_merchant

Yes

Alucardo wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

MLRPZ wrote: »

I would rather have a token system cause atm i'm farming this like a mad person (Been in the leaderboard since vMA release with all my chars) and still no sharpened dagger

I feel you buddy still no sharpened staff for me. *curses herself for exploiting with the only sharpened staff she had*

ENJOY YOUR DISEASE ENCHANTMENT LOL

Damn it, that hurt my feelings

Alucardo

I do not subscribe to the vMSA weapons' hype

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

MLRPZ wrote: »

I would rather have a token system cause atm i'm farming this like a mad person (Been in the leaderboard since vMA release with all my chars) and still no sharpened dagger

I feel you buddy still no sharpened staff for me. *curses herself for exploiting with the only sharpened staff she had*

ENJOY YOUR DISEASE ENCHANTMENT LOL

Damn it, that hurt my feelings

God now I feel terrible. A gif of Castiel crying is like looking at a picture of a puppy with big doughy eyes

MLRPZ

I DPS naked with my fists because end-game dungeons are too easy. As such, idc about vMSA weapons.

kasa-obake wrote: »

MLRPZ wrote: »

I would rather have a token system cause atm i'm farming this like a mad person (Been in the leaderboard since vMA release with all my chars) and still no sharpened dagger

I feel you buddy still no sharpened staff for me. *curses herself for exploiting with the only sharpened staff she had*

I once destroyed by accident my sharpened destro, tho, I'm a nice guy, therefore ZOS restored it back

covenant_merchant

Yes

Mhhh they did restore my Greatsword when I deconstructed it too. I remember, I even promised eternal love and devotion to the guy who did it in two hours after said deconstruction took place. But yeah, I doubt they'd be quite sympathetic regarding reenchants.

MLRPZ

I DPS naked with my fists because end-game dungeons are too easy. As such, idc about vMSA weapons.

you got noobfiltered

covenant_merchant

Yes

MLRPZ wrote: »

you got noobfiltered

I was trying to use existing broken game mechanics to my advantage. And it worked for a time, and it was glorious. Sadly, now it doesn't anymore, and I am left with only bittersweet memories of greatness.

bryanhaas

Yes

With all the time vMSA takes to get what you want it would be nice to be compensated for the runs. At the some token I wish all the trial gear was sellable.

olsborg

Yes

Im also for a token system, however, I am also strongly supportive of a way to gain certain weapons that also provides a 189 weapon dmg buff through pvp content.

LegendaryArcher

Yes

Woeler wrote: »

Low effort, low reward.

@Woeler lol

I quit ESO after 300 runs of not getting a single useful weapon.

We have a guild in Black Desert with over 30 players that quit ESO solely because of not getting their vMA weapons after hundreds of runs (almost 50 ex-ESO players overall that quit for various reasons). Some of them didn't get a single Inferno after 1000+ runs. People who have been leading the leaderboards for months. Overall, I know 6 people that didn't get their Inferno after 1000+ runs, but the other 3 didn't want to come with us to BDO.

BDO has a "bad luck protection" system implemented in its RNG. Chances increase to get a certain item on the next roll when you didn't get it the previous time. But then again, BiS items are BoE there. And the chances to get something that is hard to get are equal for everyone. Never in hell would the devs hand out BiS weapons to decent players for some time and then lock them behind impossible odds for everyone else who doesn't have them yet in a later patch, like ZOS did.

You should really check out BDO to see what a good game looks like. If you also got screwed hard by vMA RNG, feel free to shoot me a private message. Always happy to have more skilled, competitive players in our BDO guild.

Woeler

No

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Low effort, low reward.

@Woeler lol

I quit ESO after 300 runs of not getting a single useful weapon.

We have a guild in Black Desert with over 30 players that quit ESO solely because of not getting their vMA weapons after hundreds of runs (almost 50 ex-ESO players overall that quit for various reasons). Some of them didn't get a single Inferno after 1000+ runs. People who have been leading the leaderboards for months. Overall, I know 6 people that didn't get their Inferno after 1000+ runs, but the other 3 didn't want to come with us to BDO.

BDO has a "bad luck protection" system implemented in its RNG. Chances increase to get a certain item on the next roll when you didn't get it the previous time. But then again, BiS items are BoE there. And the chances to get something that is hard to get are equal for everyone. Never in hell would the devs hand out BiS weapons to decent players for some time and then lock them behind impossible odds for everyone else who doesn't have them yet in a later patch, like ZOS did.

You should really check out BDO to see what a good game looks like. If you also got screwed hard by vMA RNG, feel free to shoot me a private message. Always happy to have more skilled, competitive players in our BDO guild.

Then have fun in BDO.

bsupino

Yes

I would say yes, shoud be tradeable, but like BoP sets nowadays that you can trade in group.
maybe they should implement a timer that lets you trade the vMA weapon you picked up with another player that has picked one up in the same week.

That way you do not reward players that haven't completed it, just redistribute between the "worthy" ones

DocFrost72

I don't subscribe to the idea of "I suffered so you have to." In my opinion, if you give a bad player a maelstrom weapon, they don't magically stop being bad and good players aren't any less good.

That said, I also stand to make a LOT of money if this were to come to fruition, so you know....full disclosure and all that.

LegendaryArcher

Yes

Woeler wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Low effort, low reward.

@Woeler lol

I quit ESO after 300 runs of not getting a single useful weapon.

We have a guild in Black Desert with over 30 players that quit ESO solely because of not getting their vMA weapons after hundreds of runs (almost 50 ex-ESO players overall that quit for various reasons). Some of them didn't get a single Inferno after 1000+ runs. People who have been leading the leaderboards for months. Overall, I know 6 people that didn't get their Inferno after 1000+ runs, but the other 3 didn't want to come with us to BDO.

BDO has a "bad luck protection" system implemented in its RNG. Chances increase to get a certain item on the next roll when you didn't get it the previous time. But then again, BiS items are BoE there. And the chances to get something that is hard to get are equal for everyone. Never in hell would the devs hand out BiS weapons to decent players for some time and then lock them behind impossible odds for everyone else who doesn't have them yet in a later patch, like ZOS did.

You should really check out BDO to see what a good game looks like. If you also got screwed hard by vMA RNG, feel free to shoot me a private message. Always happy to have more skilled, competitive players in our BDO guild.

Then have fun in BDO.

@Woeler I'm just really wondering how you can advocate this system. As a competitive player, aren't you interested in having competition? I watch Xantaria's stream once in a while. All players in your raid got their vMA weapons before Dark Brotherhood, when it was still possible. Since then, the end-game community has stagnated. Those who want to join the competition ranks get repelled by impossible odds in vMA.

Right now it's just Hodor, Aquila and Beyond. Don't you want more competition? I would love to compete with you, but the fact all those three raids have gotten their vMA weapons pretty much as free presents from ZOS before DB, and I have to face completely unrealistic, impossible odds to get them, turns me off. And same goes for other competitive player leaving ESO over vMA.

What is your thought process behind "low effort, low reward" here? Would you really be more happy if Beyond was the only existing raid, for example?

You might say, "ok, just go without vMA weapons, they don't make a big difference." Fact is, they do, and it scales the more people have them. And I'm not looking to "be slightly behind Hodor by 5%." I'm looking to be number 1. And if that possibility is taken from me just due to bad game design, it is demotivating enough to not compete at all. We were competing for a long time, Almost Heroes and Sigma Draconis were great guilds. Now they're dead. Not completely because of vMA, but it was a major factor.

covenant_merchant

Yes

I have to agree with the whole "impossible odds" thing. Before Dark Brotherhood, you had 1 chance out of 3 to get a sharpened weapon. I know I got my sharpened staff before DB hit live. Now the odds have been significantly lessened, and the only trait you're sure not to drop is Training.

Thing is, many players hadn't completed or run vMSA regularly before DB. Some were trying to, some didn't play the game or took a break, some were counting on the summer period to farm it more regularly. Are they any less worthy than the players that farmed vMSA since release ?

A token system would be a great idea, and it's sad that I didn't think of including it in my awesome poll options.

People who cry the most about vMSA weapons aren't pugs. They are decent players that have completed it and ***-slapped pretty hard by the RNJesus. Pugs don't care. They don't need nor aim to mini-max their DPS and complete end-game achievements; after all they can complete normal and veteran dungeons just fine with double bow or double resto staves with Revealing Flare on their bars (because you never know when a nightblade NPC is sneaking around). So go and laugh at their failures instead of being condescending here.

jakeedmundson

I don't know about you folks... but i'm pretty excited about my infused 2-handed axe from last night.... it'll go great with my mag sor...no wait... it'll go great with my stamknig.... no wait... but it'll fit perfectly with my mag pla..... ah no it won't... well crap.

I guess i'll just.... keep running it?

yes... implement a freaking token system.

OR just change how things work for the "reward"

maybe drop 3 or 4 weapons in the chest and allow us to choose one? keeping the same drop system.
let us pick the weapon we want but with a random trait at the end? Pick the trait but with random weapon?
let us choose 1 of multiple chests that hold - 1 handed weapons, 2 handed weapons, staffs?

i don't care... but do SOMETHING to change it please. i'm not going to stop playing because i was able to get my gear. I'm going to stop playing because of awful drop rates/traits 100 times over.

Solus

Yes

jakeedmundson wrote: »

yes... implement a freaking token system.

This x1000

olsborg

Yes

The exact reason I dont do vma, or any pve that requires effort, becasue that effort would be wasted due to getting *** from rng, hell I did normal pledges for a while on each char just to gain undaunted rank 9 and I got 2 pieces out of it that I can use....2 pieces out of ....I dunno how many runs, too many to count.

RNG drop is an outdated system and doesnt belong in any modern mmo imo.

Morbash

Yes

Tradeable only if you and the person you're trading with have cleared vMA at least once.

Airemyn

No

I hate maelstrom. It's *** that the best gear in a MULTIPLAYER game drops from SOLO content. I don't play an mmo so I can spend weeks grinding for the right trait. If I wanted to play alone, I would play skyrim.

On the other hand, I do think you should have to beat content to get the drops. Yes, the best gear should definitely be locked behind some sort of skill gate.

My solution? Rebalance vDSA drops so they are better than maelstrom weapons. That way it is at least multiplayer content you're grinding through, people who only heal have a chance to get the best resto, and in a group of 4 you might be able to trade your drop with a groupmate's to get what you need.

jakeedmundson

Airemyn wrote: »

I hate maelstrom. It's *** that the best gear in a MULTIPLAYER game drops from SOLO content. I don't play an mmo so I can spend weeks grinding for the right trait. If I wanted to play alone, I would play skyrim.

On the other hand, I do think you should have to beat content to get the drops. Yes, the best gear should definitely be locked behind some sort of skill gate.

My solution? Rebalance vDSA drops so they are better than maelstrom weapons. That way it is at least multiplayer content you're grinding through, people who only heal have a chance to get the best resto, and in a group of 4 you might be able to trade your drop with a groupmate's to get what you need.

They just need to re-design how and what drops in vMA... its getting ridiculous. These posts pop up daily... literally...
Don't nerf the content. Don't change any of the rounds. Just find a way for people to actually get what they are looking for in the arena without having to run it 50 times or 200 times.

Maybe allow us to choose the weapon... and give different rewards from the leaderboards so people keep competing. (skins, mounts, costumes, other trial gear, etc.)