Still confused, is Elemental damage the same as spell damage?

billp_ESO

So I get Major Sorcery, which increases Spell damage.

Does that increase Elemental Damage? From Magic Powers? From the destro staff? From the staff enchantment?

What is the difference between spell damage and elemental damage?

VoidBlue

I'm no expert or claim to know what I'm talking about, but I assume spell damage increases the damage of all damage and elemental damage only increases the damage of that element ie: fire

SolarCat02

Increasing spell power increases the tooltip values of all magicka based skills. (Plus your light/medium/heavy staff attacks, of course).

So if your Elemental damage is magicka based, yes, it will increase.

Enchantments or armor sets that deal Elemental damage, I believe, are exempt and so will not change if spell power changes. (Please correct me if I am wrong on this point).

NetflixNChiill

not a 100% sure but I know wpn dmg does affect your light and hvy atks I imagine spell dmg is the same idea but could be wrong

billp_ESO

For example, as Sorc I do "Shock Damage". Is that the same as spell damage?

Ch4mpTW

billp_ESO wrote: »

For example, as Sorc I do "Shock Damage". Is that the same as spell damage?

Yes, it indeed does.

s7732425ub17_ESO

Spell damage will increase the damage of any attack that does "elemental" damage. However, if the tooltip for a weapon set or CP star specifically states that it increases "elemental" damage, then that only applies to abilities that do elemental damage (fire, ice, or shock). You can have passives that increase the damage of a certain element without affecting the others, such as the Sorc shock damage increase passive.

billp_ESO

So if I have a Lightning Staff, the damage it does is weapon damage? And If I have a Shock Damage enchantment, that part of the damage would be affected by spell damage?

Dubhliam

Spell damage will increase the damage of abilities that deal:

• magic damage
• fire damage
• lightning damage
• ice damage

Elemental damage (f.e. fire damage) will increase only skills that deal damage of that respective element:

• f.e. fire damage

Enchantments have fixed efficiency, and work regardless of spell or elemental damage. The only way to increase enchantment potency is via the infused trait.

idk

billp_ESO wrote: »

For example, as Sorc I do "Shock Damage". Is that the same as spell damage?

Yes and no. Yes, elemental damage is spell. However, there are some aspects of the game that affect only elemental such as a high elf or dunmer passives.

Spell damage incresses your shock/lightning skills as well as your pure magik damage skills such as fragments and it affects if the same based on each skills formula.

A high elf passive comeerninh elemental damage effects your shock/lightning damage, however it does not effect a skill such as your fragments which does magik damage.

Enodoc

"Spell damage" is the damage dealt by Spells and Staves. Spells are the abilities which cost Magicka to cast. An increase in Spell Damage will increase all damage by Magicka-based abilities, and all damage by light/heavy attacks from staves.

"Elemental damage" is Flame/Fire Damage, Cold/Frost Damage, and Shock/Lightning Damage. An increase in Elemental Damage will increase the Flame Damage, Frost Damage and Shock Damage of whichever abilities deal those types of damage.

Birdovic

billp_ESO wrote: »

So if I have a Lightning Staff, the damage it does is weapon damage? And If I have a Shock Damage enchantment, that part of the damage would be affected by spell damage?

No, the Damage of Staves used to scale from Weapon Damage in a earler version of the game.
It does scale with Spelldamage meanwhile.

For the enchantment, I think its a fixed value, which can only be influenced by the weapons trait "Infused" or specific Sets, like "Torugs Pact".
Correct me, if Im wrong please, im not sure if there is more.

xblackroxe

Too much misinformation around here.
Those are two inherently different things.

First spelldamage:
Thats the stat you see in your char screen. Every ability that deals damage (type doesn't matter) and costs magicka will scale with spelldamage (also with max magicka and spell crit)

Same counts for skill that deal damage and cost stamina but those will scale with weapon damage, max stamina and weapon crit.

Examples:
force pulse (deals damage, costs magicka -> scales with spell damage),
Wrecking blow (deals damage, costs stamina -> scales with weapon damage),
Lastley so you see damage type doesn't matter, choking talons from the dk (deals damage (physical), costs magicka -> scales with spelldamage)

Ultimates are excluded from this rule and will check whichever stat is higher (stam/mag, spell damage/weapon damage, spell crit/weapon crit) and scale of the higher stat.

Now to elemental damage. This is a damage type togetherness with others like poison damage, physical damage, magic damage,... those are all types of damage and have nothing to do with what stats they scale.
The main reason for those is that cp system gives %increases to those types as well as passives like the dunmer racial passive that increases flame damage.

Both buff your damage the higher rach of them are but they do so on different levels.

L2Pissue

elemental damage are frost/fire/shock but not magic damage.
and yes, they are affected by spell damage

xblackroxe

Oh i forgot weapon attacks. Staffs scale with spelldamage everything else with weapon damage.

Dubhliam

xblackroxe wrote: »

Too much misinformation around here.
Those are two inherently different things.

First spelldamage:
Thats the stat you see in your char screen. Every ability that deals damage (type doesn't matter) and costs magicka will scale with spelldamage (also with max magicka and spell crit)

Same counts for skill that deal damage and cost stamina but those will scale with weapon damage, max stamina and weapon crit.

Examples:
force pulse (deals damage, costs magicka -> scales with spell damage),
Wrecking blow (deals damage, costs stamina -> scales with weapon damage),
Lastley so you see damage type doesn't matter, choking talons from the dk (deals damage (physical), costs magicka -> scales with spelldamage)

Ultimates are excluded from this rule and will check whichever stat is higher (stam/mag, spell damage/weapon damage, spell crit/weapon crit) and scale of the higher stat.

Now to elemental damage. This is a damage type togetherness with others like poison damage, physical damage, magic damage,... those are all types of damage and have nothing to do with what stats they scale.
The main reason for those is that cp system gives %increases to those types as well as passives like the dunmer racial passive that increases flame damage.

Both buff your damage the higher rach of them are but they do so on different levels.

Almost every skill that costs magicka will deal either magic, fire, shock or ice damage.
Talons is an exception to the rule.
Let's not make things overly complicated to the OP, since he is asking for spell damage and elemental damage specifically.

xblackroxe

Dubhliam wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Too much misinformation around here.
Those are two inherently different things.

First spelldamage:
Thats the stat you see in your char screen. Every ability that deals damage (type doesn't matter) and costs magicka will scale with spelldamage (also with max magicka and spell crit)

Same counts for skill that deal damage and cost stamina but those will scale with weapon damage, max stamina and weapon crit.

Examples:
force pulse (deals damage, costs magicka -> scales with spell damage),
Wrecking blow (deals damage, costs stamina -> scales with weapon damage),
Lastley so you see damage type doesn't matter, choking talons from the dk (deals damage (physical), costs magicka -> scales with spelldamage)

Ultimates are excluded from this rule and will check whichever stat is higher (stam/mag, spell damage/weapon damage, spell crit/weapon crit) and scale of the higher stat.

Now to elemental damage. This is a damage type togetherness with others like poison damage, physical damage, magic damage,... those are all types of damage and have nothing to do with what stats they scale.
The main reason for those is that cp system gives %increases to those types as well as passives like the dunmer racial passive that increases flame damage.

Both buff your damage the higher rach of them are but they do so on different levels.

Almost every skill that costs magicka will deal either magic, fire, shock or ice damage.
Talons is an exception to the rule.
Let's not make things overly complicated to the OP, since he is asking for spell damage and elemental damage specifically.

I would say stating a rule thats not a rule bc it doesn't always apply is making it more complicated than stating how it really works even if its a few lines more to read.
And no talons isn't the only exception bc for no ulti your rule will work.

Brutusmax1mus

There's magic, fire, frost, lightning. All are types of spell damage. Increasing spell damage impacts them all. I'm not sure, but I'd imagine elemental damage is just frost, fire and lightning.

Sludge04

I've respec'd my CP's and put 100CP into elemental damage. I have a shock damage glyph on my lightning staff and light attacks are up to about 8-12k damage. It's on par with Force Pulse without using magika. The first two tend to be the hardest hitting. I'm going to respec again and put another 100 CP into Staff Expert and see what difference it makes. I noticed a set the other day that gives you a spell damage boost when hitting with 2 consecutive light attacks, so I may have to re-evaluate my entire life if I notice a huge change.

I use the Spell Crit Mundus, and am a Breton Sorcerer on 497 CP

billp_ESO

Now the next question: spell penetration. Is that worth investing in? Or go straight dmg and crit?

llSRRll

Is it better to put Spell Damage Glyphs on your staff or Flame/Frost/Shock Glyph? Spell Damage Glyph adds like 600 spell damage but the Elemental one adds 3100+ damage so I would think that the Elemental would be better. Please anyone that can clear this up for me please let me know.

eol

Simple follow up question from returning player:

is destruction staff light and heavy attack damage = elemental damage or magic damage?

I assume restoration staff light/heavy attack damage = magic damage?

leepalmer95

Zos should 100% add all this information in the game, e.g. advanced tutorials you unlock.

I still see people whoa re like 400cp+ who don't understand their stats, they don't know max stats = dmg or that magicka skills scale off spell power + magicka while stam skills scale of stamina and weapon dmg...

@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you throw an idea around or something? Maybe when they reach 50 and start cadwell's server they have the option to do advanced training or something so they have easy access to this information.

It's a way to improve the skill of the average player without nerfing the top players.

Berenhir

eol wrote: »

Simple follow up question from returning player:

is destruction staff light and heavy attack damage = elemental damage or magic damage?

I assume restoration staff light/heavy attack damage = magic damage?

Destruction staves deal elemental damage of their type: either frost, shock or fire damage.

Restoration staves deal magic damage.

These classes of damage shouldn't be confused with spell damage. Spell damage is no class of damage. It is a numerical value that determines the base damage value of attacks that scale of magicka, together with the base damage modifier of the ability, its rank and your max magicka value.

starkerealm

eol wrote: »

Simple follow up question from returning player:

is destruction staff light and heavy attack damage = elemental damage or magic damage?

I assume restoration staff light/heavy attack damage = magic damage?

Magic damage is a type, just like the elemental damage types (frost/fire/shock). Generally speaking, each attack will only deal one kind of damage (basic weapon attacks may do two, depending on the enchantment a weapon has received).

So, if you have an inferno staff, that will deal fire damage with its heavy and light attacks. If you stick any Absorb Rune on it, it will deal fire and magic. (With the magic damage coming from the rune, and dealing the printed amount there, and the staff dealing its damage in fire.) (I think Prismatic Runes are the only other enchant that deals Magic damage, but I'm not sure off hand, and there may be another I'm forgetting.)

I want to say the resto staff is the only weapon that deals magic type damage with its base attacks, but I've honestly spent so little time with them in the last three years, I could be wrong.

eol

Berenhir wrote: »

Destruction staves deal elemental damage of their type: either frost, shock or fire damage.

Restoration staves deal magic damage.

These classes of damage shouldn't be confused with spell damage. Spell damage is no class of damage. It is a numerical value that determines the base damage value of attacks that scale of magicka, together with the base damage modifier of the ability, its rank and your max magicka value.

Thank you very much! It was amazingly difficult to google the staff damage type question for light and heavy attacks. All my searches sent me to threads about spell damage and max magicka affecting staff damage. (hard to believe ESO had weapon damage scaling staff light/heavy damage for quite a while when I played).

Another question: I notice that ESO Wiki shows many several of the destruction staff skills dealing *'magic'* damage. Should that be *elemental* damage based on the type of staff (inferno = fire, etc)?? Or is magicka correct? Seems odd for an elemental staff skill not to deal elemental damage...

starkerealm

eol wrote: »

Another question: I notice that ESO Wiki shows many several of the destruction staff skills dealing *'magic'* damage. Should that be *elemental* damage based on the type of staff (inferno = fire, etc)?? Or is magicka correct? Seems odd for an elemental staff skill not to deal elemental damage...

It's whatever element that staff is classed as. It wouldn't surprise me if someone derped up the wikia because they didn't understand how the mechanics worked and were trying to "fix errors."

eol

starkerealm wrote: »

It's whatever element that staff is classed as. It wouldn't surprise me if someone derped up the wikia because they didn't understand how the mechanics worked and were trying to "fix errors."

Thank you!