Impenetrable nerf ?

Dracane

A friend just told me, that the max amount of crit resistance you can have, is now 1200 ? Is that true ?
I haven't seen anything in the patchnotes.

Anti_Virus

Oh, I hope not that would be terrible.

Most_Awesome

I was on last night and I had well over 1200

Dracane

That would be awesome. But I don't know where he saw that.
His english is not so good and he doesn't understand my questions. He said, that he saw it on the forums.

Angi

wtf,i had 2300 yesterday at night,and i dont think i was drunk

Mady

Nah, mine is still at around 3k.

Wollust

Isn't 3.3k or so the hardcap?

Dracane

And I am not blind, right ? Today's patch changed nothing ?
Where does he get that from then. That would have been a relieve.

Lumbermill_Emperor

it was nerfed with One Tamriel
read this

CylindricalBox wrote: »

The Resistant CP on the PTS is granting greater values of Critical Resistance for each point invested than on live. There was no note on the PTS patch notes regarding any change to Critical Resistance.

On live, Resistant grants 68 (1 point), 42 (2), 37 (3) ... up to 1699 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

On the PTS, Resistant grants 100 (1 point), 62 (2), 54 (3) ... up to 2499 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

The tool tip for the passive remains unchanged. Does this mean the formula for Critical Resistance has changed, and that 68 Critical Resistance no longer reduces the enemy critical modifier by 1%?

EDIT: This change suggests that the Impenetrable trait on the PTS is about 30% less effective in reducing the enemy's critical damage modifier than the Impenetrable trait on live.

On live, 68 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning that one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 3.8% critical mitigation.

On the PTS, 100 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 2.6% critical mitigation.

Was this change to Critical Resistance intentional? Of course, this could be another case of broken tool tips. I have yet to compare mitigation equal values of Critical Resistance provide on live and the PTS.

Lieblingsjunge

If that's true, guess I should be happy I stayed with 3 reinforced pieces afterall :>

Wollust

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

it was nerfed with One Tamriel
read this

CylindricalBox wrote: »

The Resistant CP on the PTS is granting greater values of Critical Resistance for each point invested than on live. There was no note on the PTS patch notes regarding any change to Critical Resistance.

On live, Resistant grants 68 (1 point), 42 (2), 37 (3) ... up to 1699 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

On the PTS, Resistant grants 100 (1 point), 62 (2), 54 (3) ... up to 2499 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

The tool tip for the passive remains unchanged. Does this mean the formula for Critical Resistance has changed, and that 68 Critical Resistance no longer reduces the enemy critical modifier by 1%?

EDIT: This change suggests that the Impenetrable trait on the PTS is about 30% less effective in reducing the enemy's critical damage modifier than the Impenetrable trait on live.

On live, 68 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning that one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 3.8% critical mitigation.

On the PTS, 100 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 2.6% critical mitigation.

Was this change to Critical Resistance intentional? Of course, this could be another case of broken tool tips. I have yet to compare mitigation equal values of Critical Resistance provide on live and the PTS.

Oh boy. Because the one thing we need is even higher dmg in PvP. Awesome.

Dracane

Wollust wrote: »

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

it was nerfed with One Tamriel
read this

CylindricalBox wrote: »

The Resistant CP on the PTS is granting greater values of Critical Resistance for each point invested than on live. There was no note on the PTS patch notes regarding any change to Critical Resistance.

On live, Resistant grants 68 (1 point), 42 (2), 37 (3) ... up to 1699 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

On the PTS, Resistant grants 100 (1 point), 62 (2), 54 (3) ... up to 2499 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

The tool tip for the passive remains unchanged. Does this mean the formula for Critical Resistance has changed, and that 68 Critical Resistance no longer reduces the enemy critical modifier by 1%?

EDIT: This change suggests that the Impenetrable trait on the PTS is about 30% less effective in reducing the enemy's critical damage modifier than the Impenetrable trait on live.

On live, 68 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning that one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 3.8% critical mitigation.

On the PTS, 100 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 2.6% critical mitigation.

Was this change to Critical Resistance intentional? Of course, this could be another case of broken tool tips. I have yet to compare mitigation equal values of Critical Resistance provide on live and the PTS.

Oh boy. Because the one thing we need is even higher dmg in PvP. Awesome.

Yes, this is exactly what we need.
Because there are people, other than all these stamina proc set burst heroes, who have to work very hard for every single kill. People who actually have to rely on skill roations in order to kill anything, if at all.

Because this tank meta is the most cancerous we ever had. Everyone stacks impen and resistances and the only way to get through, is to go stamina and use these proc sets.

All of that has to change, this high tankiness that can be achieved AND the high damage from sets.

Anti_Virus

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

it was nerfed with One Tamriel
read this

CylindricalBox wrote: »

The Resistant CP on the PTS is granting greater values of Critical Resistance for each point invested than on live. There was no note on the PTS patch notes regarding any change to Critical Resistance.

On live, Resistant grants 68 (1 point), 42 (2), 37 (3) ... up to 1699 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

On the PTS, Resistant grants 100 (1 point), 62 (2), 54 (3) ... up to 2499 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

The tool tip for the passive remains unchanged. Does this mean the formula for Critical Resistance has changed, and that 68 Critical Resistance no longer reduces the enemy critical modifier by 1%?

EDIT: This change suggests that the Impenetrable trait on the PTS is about 30% less effective in reducing the enemy's critical damage modifier than the Impenetrable trait on live.

On live, 68 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning that one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 3.8% critical mitigation.

On the PTS, 100 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 2.6% critical mitigation.

Was this change to Critical Resistance intentional? Of course, this could be another case of broken tool tips. I have yet to compare mitigation equal values of Critical Resistance provide on live and the PTS.

So according to those numbers you will need about 5K Impen to reach the 50% DR on Crits?

It was hard enough to reach 3400 impen( which is the current 50% DR cap for consoles) Now it would be even more difficult.

Why Zos why do you want to LOWER the TTK?

Lieblingsjunge

Dracane wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

it was nerfed with One Tamriel
read this

CylindricalBox wrote: »

The Resistant CP on the PTS is granting greater values of Critical Resistance for each point invested than on live. There was no note on the PTS patch notes regarding any change to Critical Resistance.

On live, Resistant grants 68 (1 point), 42 (2), 37 (3) ... up to 1699 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

On the PTS, Resistant grants 100 (1 point), 62 (2), 54 (3) ... up to 2499 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

The tool tip for the passive remains unchanged. Does this mean the formula for Critical Resistance has changed, and that 68 Critical Resistance no longer reduces the enemy critical modifier by 1%?

EDIT: This change suggests that the Impenetrable trait on the PTS is about 30% less effective in reducing the enemy's critical damage modifier than the Impenetrable trait on live.

On live, 68 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning that one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 3.8% critical mitigation.

On the PTS, 100 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 2.6% critical mitigation.

Was this change to Critical Resistance intentional? Of course, this could be another case of broken tool tips. I have yet to compare mitigation equal values of Critical Resistance provide on live and the PTS.

Oh boy. Because the one thing we need is even higher dmg in PvP. Awesome.

Yes, this is exactly what we need.
Because there are people, other than all these stamina proc set burst heroes, who have to work very hard for every single kill. People who actually have to rely on skill roations in order to kill anything, if at all.

Because this tank meta is the most cancerous we ever had. Everyone stacks impen and resistances and the only way to get through, is to go stamina and use these proc sets.

All of that has to change, this high tankiness that can be achieved AND the high damage from sets.

Did it ever occur to you that the tank meta came as a reaction to the proc-set Wrobel-1-shot-meta? I'm not defending the Reactive/Black Rose-setups, I'm simply saying that the reaction came from somewhere.

Cinbri

Dracane wrote: »

All of that has to change, this high tankiness that can be achieved AND the high damage from sets.

It was always possible to achieve high damage and high tankines. Only problem that nowdays it is possibly to achieve just too easy, without any knowledge of game mechnaics and skill. It became no-brainer.

Dracane

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

it was nerfed with One Tamriel
read this

CylindricalBox wrote: »

The Resistant CP on the PTS is granting greater values of Critical Resistance for each point invested than on live. There was no note on the PTS patch notes regarding any change to Critical Resistance.

On live, Resistant grants 68 (1 point), 42 (2), 37 (3) ... up to 1699 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

On the PTS, Resistant grants 100 (1 point), 62 (2), 54 (3) ... up to 2499 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

The tool tip for the passive remains unchanged. Does this mean the formula for Critical Resistance has changed, and that 68 Critical Resistance no longer reduces the enemy critical modifier by 1%?

EDIT: This change suggests that the Impenetrable trait on the PTS is about 30% less effective in reducing the enemy's critical damage modifier than the Impenetrable trait on live.

On live, 68 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning that one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 3.8% critical mitigation.

On the PTS, 100 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 2.6% critical mitigation.

Was this change to Critical Resistance intentional? Of course, this could be another case of broken tool tips. I have yet to compare mitigation equal values of Critical Resistance provide on live and the PTS.

Oh boy. Because the one thing we need is even higher dmg in PvP. Awesome.

Yes, this is exactly what we need.
Because there are people, other than all these stamina proc set burst heroes, who have to work very hard for every single kill. People who actually have to rely on skill roations in order to kill anything, if at all.

Because this tank meta is the most cancerous we ever had. Everyone stacks impen and resistances and the only way to get through, is to go stamina and use these proc sets.

All of that has to change, this high tankiness that can be achieved AND the high damage from sets.

Did it ever occur to you that the tank meta came as a reaction to the proc-set Wrobel-1-shot-meta? I'm not defending the Reactive/Black Rose-setups, I'm simply saying that the reaction came from somewhere.

This is exactly my Point Liebes.
People react to this meta, because being tanky is the only way to survive this proc fest.

leepalmer95

Dracane wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

it was nerfed with One Tamriel
read this

CylindricalBox wrote: »

The Resistant CP on the PTS is granting greater values of Critical Resistance for each point invested than on live. There was no note on the PTS patch notes regarding any change to Critical Resistance.

On live, Resistant grants 68 (1 point), 42 (2), 37 (3) ... up to 1699 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

On the PTS, Resistant grants 100 (1 point), 62 (2), 54 (3) ... up to 2499 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

The tool tip for the passive remains unchanged. Does this mean the formula for Critical Resistance has changed, and that 68 Critical Resistance no longer reduces the enemy critical modifier by 1%?

EDIT: This change suggests that the Impenetrable trait on the PTS is about 30% less effective in reducing the enemy's critical damage modifier than the Impenetrable trait on live.

On live, 68 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning that one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 3.8% critical mitigation.

On the PTS, 100 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 2.6% critical mitigation.

Was this change to Critical Resistance intentional? Of course, this could be another case of broken tool tips. I have yet to compare mitigation equal values of Critical Resistance provide on live and the PTS.

Oh boy. Because the one thing we need is even higher dmg in PvP. Awesome.

Yes, this is exactly what we need.
Because there are people, other than all these stamina proc set burst heroes, who have to work very hard for every single kill. People who actually have to rely on skill roations in order to kill anything, if at all.

Because this tank meta is the most cancerous we ever had. Everyone stacks impen and resistances and the only way to get through, is to go stamina and use these proc sets.

All of that has to change, this high tankiness that can be achieved AND the high damage from sets.

And resistant is the cause of that, not the 0 sustain heavy armor tanks?

Dracane

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

it was nerfed with One Tamriel
read this

CylindricalBox wrote: »

The Resistant CP on the PTS is granting greater values of Critical Resistance for each point invested than on live. There was no note on the PTS patch notes regarding any change to Critical Resistance.

On live, Resistant grants 68 (1 point), 42 (2), 37 (3) ... up to 1699 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

On the PTS, Resistant grants 100 (1 point), 62 (2), 54 (3) ... up to 2499 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

The tool tip for the passive remains unchanged. Does this mean the formula for Critical Resistance has changed, and that 68 Critical Resistance no longer reduces the enemy critical modifier by 1%?

EDIT: This change suggests that the Impenetrable trait on the PTS is about 30% less effective in reducing the enemy's critical damage modifier than the Impenetrable trait on live.

On live, 68 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning that one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 3.8% critical mitigation.

On the PTS, 100 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 2.6% critical mitigation.

Was this change to Critical Resistance intentional? Of course, this could be another case of broken tool tips. I have yet to compare mitigation equal values of Critical Resistance provide on live and the PTS.

Oh boy. Because the one thing we need is even higher dmg in PvP. Awesome.

Yes, this is exactly what we need.
Because there are people, other than all these stamina proc set burst heroes, who have to work very hard for every single kill. People who actually have to rely on skill roations in order to kill anything, if at all.

Because this tank meta is the most cancerous we ever had. Everyone stacks impen and resistances and the only way to get through, is to go stamina and use these proc sets.

All of that has to change, this high tankiness that can be achieved AND the high damage from sets.

And resistant is the cause of that, not the 0 sustain heavy armor tanks?

No, there's more to it than just one factor.
But it's one of them.

susmitds

Another of those "my friend/someone told me" posts. Come on, it's really easy to check.

Dracane

susmitds wrote: »

Another of those "my friend/someone told me" posts. Come on, it's really easy to check.

I'm sorrryyyy. I normally don't do that.
But this is a serious claim and as it turns out, I was right to ask. because seems like it's true.

Lore_lai

Dracane wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Yes, this is exactly what we need.
Because there are people, other than all these stamina proc set burst heroes, who have to work very hard for every single kill. People who actually have to rely on skill roations in order to kill anything, if at all.

Because this tank meta is the most cancerous we ever had. Everyone stacks impen and resistances and the only way to get through, is to go stamina and use these proc sets.

All of that has to change, this high tankiness that can be achieved AND the high damage from sets.

Did it ever occur to you that the tank meta came as a reaction to the proc-set Wrobel-1-shot-meta? I'm not defending the Reactive/Black Rose-setups, I'm simply saying that the reaction came from somewhere.

This is exactly my Point Liebes.
People react to this meta, because being tanky is the only way to survive this proc fest.

You know what the difference is?
That you can kill potato Radioactive/Malu templar's allies and then use him/her to get ulti back and just walk away from them cos they are 100% useless.
God luck doing that with Heavy Armor stam users using proc sets wearing Black Rose.

I can literally 100% completely ignore a Malu/Radioactive user. S/he will do nothing, maybe follow me while holding block or something funny like that.

Sure, you sometimes run into packs of Radioactive templars using proc sets themselves to do the damage for them, but that is a very, very rare occurrence. I've only seen one on NA and they are only really a threat when severely outnumbering.

A big NO to nerfing decent things. Not everyone runs cheese out there.

Nerf proctato, nerf/remove brain-dead sets. Encourage skill and *actual* reactive play. FIRE Wrobel ASAP. (IDGAF if I get warned/banned for saying that).

RAGUNAnoOne

Angi wrote: »

wtf,i had 2300 yesterday at night,and i dont think i was drunk

Don't forget what it says in the tooltip is not always true it can display you have 50K resistance when 33K is the hardcap

RAGUNAnoOne

susmitds wrote: »

Another of those "my friend/someone told me" posts. Come on, it's really easy to check.

One function of the forums IS to check and ask questions to get facts.

TheDarkRuler

Once good step if it got nerfed.
Why not remove it entirely now that it has gotten useless.
And remove prosperous too while you're at it.

Juhasow

From 2.6.4 Update

Combat & Gameplay
Champion System
The Steed
Resistant: Updated the tooltip of this ability to better describe its effect.

I assume this is reason why people get different numbers then before One Tamriel , but I think also it doesnt change so much like some people thinking so I guess @Dracane we'll have to wait to one shot people again with crystal frag on crit like in good old times

Vorcil

i did notice i was killing various templars and dks who were mostly ~ 700cp 1v1 as a magicka nb :P damn, i thought i was improving

RAGUNAnoOne

ZOS is this true? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_DaryaK

Minno

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

ZOS is this true? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_DaryaK

As far as I know, there was never a response to this.

Though this makes me happy rolling with heavy juliannos/Medusa using a resto staff for the major force ultimate.

Glory

Lore_lai wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Yes, this is exactly what we need.
Because there are people, other than all these stamina proc set burst heroes, who have to work very hard for every single kill. People who actually have to rely on skill roations in order to kill anything, if at all.

Because this tank meta is the most cancerous we ever had. Everyone stacks impen and resistances and the only way to get through, is to go stamina and use these proc sets.

All of that has to change, this high tankiness that can be achieved AND the high damage from sets.

Did it ever occur to you that the tank meta came as a reaction to the proc-set Wrobel-1-shot-meta? I'm not defending the Reactive/Black Rose-setups, I'm simply saying that the reaction came from somewhere.

This is exactly my Point Liebes.
People react to this meta, because being tanky is the only way to survive this proc fest.

You know what the difference is?
That you can kill potato Radioactive/Malu templar's allies and then use him/her to get ulti back and just walk away from them cos they are 100% useless.
God luck doing that with Heavy Armor stam users using proc sets wearing Black Rose.

I can literally 100% completely ignore a Malu/Radioactive user. S/he will do nothing, maybe follow me while holding block or something funny like that.

Sure, you sometimes run into packs of Radioactive templars using proc sets themselves to do the damage for them, but that is a very, very rare occurrence. I've only seen one on NA and they are only really a threat when severely outnumbering.

A big NO to nerfing decent things. Not everyone runs cheese out there.

Nerf proctato, nerf/remove brain-dead sets. Encourage skill and *actual* reactive play. FIRE Wrobel ASAP. (IDGAF if I get warned/banned for saying that).

Mer-speak coming out in big force!

Minalan

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

it was nerfed with One Tamriel
read this

CylindricalBox wrote: »

The Resistant CP on the PTS is granting greater values of Critical Resistance for each point invested than on live. There was no note on the PTS patch notes regarding any change to Critical Resistance.

On live, Resistant grants 68 (1 point), 42 (2), 37 (3) ... up to 1699 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

On the PTS, Resistant grants 100 (1 point), 62 (2), 54 (3) ... up to 2499 Critical Resistance at 100 points.

The tool tip for the passive remains unchanged. Does this mean the formula for Critical Resistance has changed, and that 68 Critical Resistance no longer reduces the enemy critical modifier by 1%?

EDIT: This change suggests that the Impenetrable trait on the PTS is about 30% less effective in reducing the enemy's critical damage modifier than the Impenetrable trait on live.

On live, 68 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning that one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 3.8% critical mitigation.

On the PTS, 100 Critical Resistance = 1% critical mitigation, meaning one piece of gold CP160 Impenetrable armor grants 258 Critical Resistance ≈ 2.6% critical mitigation.

Was this change to Critical Resistance intentional? Of course, this could be another case of broken tool tips. I have yet to compare mitigation equal values of Critical Resistance provide on live and the PTS.

Has anyone confirmed any of this in an actual test?

It would make sense, impen was a little too good in PVP over traits like reinforced or sturdy. This is probably ZOS' way of balancing that.

Reorx_Holybeard

I don't think anything has changed on Live although I haven't tested it explicitly (not an easy stat to test). Currently on Live the CP Resistant gives you 1699 critical resist at 100 points so that hasn't changed. Its worth noting that this CP had its text changed from a percentage to a flat value in OT which may have added some confusion to the pot.

Someone is more than welcome to test it, basically you'd need to fight someone with known values of critical and crit resistance for each player and then tally up the actual critical % after 15 minutes or some long period.