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Elder proccs online, please end it. (vid)
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Tai-Chi✭✭✭✭Looks like a very well designed and original build to me. This player must be one of the best.
You said, "This player must be one of the best". Do you know, you might just be right!
If one looks closely at the 'invincible' player, it says "SYPHER ALI CP 687". That surely is a give-away.
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WhiteMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »...we just need buffs to other options
I'm gonna have to disagree wholeheartedly on this right here. Everyone loves buffs, I get that. Even I love getting buffed. But we are at a point now where the power gap is just too large. I think it's coming near a time where we need a blanket nerf, followed by specific, targeted nerfs to REALLY balance the game.
The generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?8 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »...we just need buffs to other options
I'm gonna have to disagree wholeheartedly on this right here. Everyone loves buffs, I get that. Even I love getting buffed. But we are at a point now where the power gap is just too large. I think it's coming near a time where we need a blanket nerf, followed by specific, targeted nerfs to REALLY balance the game.
Agreed. Physical damage in general, proc sets, Wrath passive, Radiant Destruction, Major Mending/Vitality and Malubeth... phew.
A lot easier than trying to bring everything else up to par.
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incite✭✭✭✭I'm happy for the pve players among us, I weep for the pvp players (the players who can actually admit there's something wickedly wrong with the current state)PC EU
Check your CMX
solo/small scale pvp
Emphys
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Nightblade (AR 50)
Dragonknight (AR 37)
Arcanist (AR 15)
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »The only proc set I use is Alchemist and it's the only proc set that punishes you with potion consumption . It is called Clever Alchemist because some potion maker somewhere is making a fortune off me .
Sets that increase your spell/weapon damage are totally fine because you're not getting any free abilities with that - you still actually have to control your player.8 -
Berenhir✭✭✭✭✭
✭What's that sound? Ah, that's the oft heard sound of a bunch of PvP players thinking they are the centre of the ESO universe.
Maybe we should add the following monster sets, just that you know how it feels:
(1 Item) Adds 965 Max Stamina
(2 Items) Whenever you taunt a boss you deal 6.8 million disease damage. All loot it drops for your party is transferred to your inventory. This set has a cooldown of 20 min.
or
(1 Item) Adds 965 Max Magicka
(2 Items) Whenever you heal an ally, render a random achievement of his character void. This set has a cooldown of 3 seconds.
The sound I would hear... Oh that sound of a bunch of PvE Players crying about lost stuff I dont give a damn about... Oh that sound thinking they are the center of the ESO universe...PC EU - Ebonheart Pact - Gray Host - Death Recap -#zergfarming -12 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
I gotta agree here, ESO has f**ked over every pvp player. Just look at the ridiculous meta. God its so...did I say ridiculous already? @Wrobel pls balance.
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Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What's that sound? Ah, that's the oft heard sound of a bunch of PvP players thinking they are the centre of the ESO universe.
Maybe we should add the following monster sets, just that you know how it feels:
(1 Item) Adds 965 Max Stamina
(2 Items) Whenever you taunt a boss you deal 6.8 million disease damage. All loot it drops for your party is transferred to your inventory. This set has a cooldown of 20 min.
or
(1 Item) Adds 965 Max Magicka
(2 Items) Whenever you heal an ally, render a random achievement of his character void. This set has a cooldown of 3 seconds.
The sound I would hear... Oh that sound of a bunch of PvE Players crying about lost stuff I dont give a damn about... Oh that sound thinking they are the center of the ESO universe...
What, you arrent content with the countless abilitiy nerfs for the sake of PVP?
You can suffer for once.3 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭What's that sound? Ah, that's the oft heard sound of a bunch of PvP players thinking they are the centre of the ESO universe.
Maybe we should add the following monster sets, just that you know how it feels:
(1 Item) Adds 965 Max Stamina
(2 Items) Whenever you taunt a boss you deal 6.8 million disease damage. All loot it drops for your party is transferred to your inventory. This set has a cooldown of 20 min.
or
(1 Item) Adds 965 Max Magicka
(2 Items) Whenever you heal an ally, render a random achievement of his character void. This set has a cooldown of 3 seconds.
I personally prefer:
(1 item) Adds 965 Max Stamina
(2 Items) 100% chance to trigger at least one PvP player upon taunting the forumEdited by raglau on October 16, 2016 7:30PM5 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I agree.
The sets are too strong.
It is much harder for players who use magicka based builds or old/regular stamina builds(not meta) to kill a player who use those proc sets.
There is simply too many OP stamina proc sets.
Just a few examples: Selene, Tremorscale.
I strongly suggest to either restrict the usage of the OP sets to PVE ONLY or tune them so they will be more "balanced".
This problem is more evident while dueling.
I defeated stamina based players in the past.
Now it is much more difficult than ever.
The funny thing is that when I use poison in either duel or open world pvp to even the odds, they get angry...
Poison is a joke compared to those sets
I'm considering to take a break from pvp until the proc sets will get fixed and/or magicka skills/sets will get buffed.Edited by Universe on October 16, 2016 8:00PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
The sound I would hear... Oh that sound of a bunch of PvE Players crying about lost stuff I dont give a damn about... Oh that sound thinking they are the center of the ESO universe...
What, you arrent content with the countless abilitiy nerfs for the sake of PVP?
You can suffer for once.
Yes.
Pretty much the entire PvE game has been a continuum of nerfs due to the relenteless crying of the PvP man-babies. I can see how the proc-set matter could play out in PvP terms, but even so nothing could have prepared me for the huge wall of wailing we now face on the matter; "my game style is more important, you must nerf everything, me me me me me. If it doesn't work for me it shall not exist. Make every class, every skill the same, until we have a bland sea of uniformity that even Starbucks would struggle to out do".
Very likely the only way forward is to hive them off in their own land with their own sets so they can follow their own special complex play of spamming Vigor and Caltrops at each other all day long.0 -
stevepdodson_ESO888✭✭✭✭✭
✭What's that sound? Ah, that's the oft heard sound of a bunch of PvP players thinking they are the centre of the ESO universe.
Maybe we should add the following monster sets, just that you know how it feels:
(1 Item) Adds 965 Max Stamina
(2 Items) Whenever you taunt a boss you deal 6.8 million disease damage. All loot it drops for your party is transferred to your inventory. This set has a cooldown of 20 min.
or
(1 Item) Adds 965 Max Magicka
(2 Items) Whenever you heal an ally, render a random achievement of his character void. This set has a cooldown of 3 seconds.
I personally prefer:
(1 item) Adds 965 Max Stamina
(2 Items) 100% chance to trigger at least one PvP player upon taunting the forum
clever and funny at the same time...you sir (or madam) are a genious and I salute you0 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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Seeing how nearly every piece of PvE content is still braindead easy, I think those nerfs caused by crying PvP players have not yet gone far enough.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
The sound I would hear... Oh that sound of a bunch of PvE Players crying about lost stuff I dont give a damn about... Oh that sound thinking they are the center of the ESO universe...
What, you arrent content with the countless abilitiy nerfs for the sake of PVP?
You can suffer for once.
Yes.
Pretty much the entire PvE game has been a continuum of nerfs due to the relenteless crying of the PvP man-babies. I can see how the proc-set matter could play out in PvP terms, but even so nothing could have prepared me for the huge wall of wailing we now face on the matter; "my game style is more important, you must nerf everything, me me me me me. If it doesn't work for me it shall not exist. Make every class, every skill the same, until we have a bland sea of uniformity that even Starbucks would struggle to out do".
Very likely the only way forward is to hive them off in their own land with their own sets so they can follow their own special complex play of spamming Vigor and Caltrops at each other all day long.
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Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
The sound I would hear... Oh that sound of a bunch of PvE Players crying about lost stuff I dont give a damn about... Oh that sound thinking they are the center of the ESO universe...
What, you arrent content with the countless abilitiy nerfs for the sake of PVP?
You can suffer for once.
Yes.
Pretty much the entire PvE game has been a continuum of nerfs due to the relenteless crying of the PvP man-babies. I can see how the proc-set matter could play out in PvP terms, but even so nothing could have prepared me for the huge wall of wailing we now face on the matter; "my game style is more important, you must nerf everything, me me me me me. If it doesn't work for me it shall not exist. Make every class, every skill the same, until we have a bland sea of uniformity that even Starbucks would struggle to out do".
Very likely the only way forward is to hive them off in their own land with their own sets so they can follow their own special complex play of spamming Vigor and Caltrops at each other all day long.
Pretty much every PvE content with one exception is brain dead easy, no matter how much things are being nerfed. And fact is, most of the discussed things don't matter whatsoever in PvE because they are useless anyway compared to the meta PvE builds. Except if you are just trying to do the special snowflake crap builds or whatever.
PvP is more sensible for balance things as player experience stuff on their own and can therefore give feedback about it. PvE mobs can hardly complain when they get oneshotted or zerged or whatever.
Susano'o
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »Seeing how nearly every piece of PvE content is still braindead easy, I think those nerfs caused by crying PvP players have not yet gone far enough.
You will certainly not find disagreement from me there. I like the game a lot but I feel the term 'challenging ESO content' would be something of an oxymoron, if indeed anyone were to ever utter such a phrase.0 -
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✭What's that sound? Ah, that's the oft heard sound of a bunch of PvP players thinking they are the centre of the ESO universe.
What's that sound? Ah, that's the oft heard sound of a PVE player who has never had to fight a dynamic enemy so is completely ignorant of the current state of balance in the game.7 -
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✭It is so cute when they get tired of trolling their own forum page and decide to start over agin on the main page.0 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭I don't see the problem, yeah those abilities and sets are difficult to combat against. I personally don't run the meta at least I don't think I do. I run 5 hundings and 5 marksman, no maelstrom. at first I wold get destroyed by these procs sets and now iv gotten so good at combating against unbalanced sets and being at a disadvantage I feel iv grown better. At first it was encap hitting so hard at such a low cost Iv learned to listen for the sound it makes right before it hits so I can dodge or block it. With sets like viper and abilities like radiant dest. Iv learned to constantly keep vigor and rally active even if I'm activity them more than my attack abilities. It's not always the sets and abilities either. Sometimes its your capability to effectively play the game and adapt to unique situations. One tamriel with the implementation of dueling will help I think. It will give players an opportunity to train with friends that use those particular sets or abilities that one might find troublesome while in cyrodiil.2 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭ColoursYouHave wrote: »What's that sound? Ah, that's the oft heard sound of a bunch of PvP players thinking they are the centre of the ESO universe.
What's that sound? Ah, that's the oft heard sound of a PVE player who has never had to fight a dynamic enemy so is completely ignorant of the current state of balance in the game.
I actually enjoy playing both PvE and PvP in ESO. PvP is not really dynamic, it's mainly a case of 'he who is in the largest zerg, wins'. I do have fun playing PvP in ESO, but it's not exactly going to win 'tactically dynamic PvP experience of the year' award, if such an award exists. It's like a computerised version of the board game 'Risk'. Got more yellow plastic cannons on the map than blue? Yellow wins.
I think that's why I struggle when I see some of my fellow PvPers getting so precious over it, like with these proc sets. Yes, there is something of a point there, but let's be honest, it's not exactly a finely tuned piece of tactical engineering as it is, it's just a click fest (as is PvE).Edited by raglau on October 16, 2016 8:57PM1 -
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✭Why does EVERY SINGLE pvp video for any game ever have garbage music? Seriously it's like they try hard to pick the worst music available.4 -
DKsUnite✭✭✭✭✭
✭clocksstoppe wrote: »Why does EVERY SINGLE pvp video for any game ever have garbage music? Seriously it's like they try hard to pick the worst music available.
@clocksstoppe
I take offense to that
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out51d3r✭✭✭✭kevlarto_ESO wrote: »The only skill in this game is selecting the best broken proc set to combine with another borked proc set to get maximum proc
The best players are going to use whatever appears to be the best option at the time. Right now, that's pretty clearly the proc sets. No shame in doing what Sypher's doing here. It's what we all should be doing, as it's the best option ZOS is providing to us.kevlarto_ESO wrote: »seems like cheese way of adding new armor to the game.
Indeed. What we are seeing right now is the result of there only being so many different combinations of "+967 stam, +129 weapon damage" ZOS can put on a set in a system without some sort of soft caps. ZOS exhausted most of those combinations months ago, and are now leaning on procs to create new sets that are worth using. They've gone too far with that though. Either they'll end up nerfing the numbers, or put in some sort of global damage proc cooldown, because I'm sure they see the problems with the current state of affairs.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »Why does EVERY SINGLE pvp video for any game ever have garbage music? Seriously it's like they try hard to pick the worst music available.
@clocksstoppe
I take offense to that
You should,that was way better music than the garbage I heard in other videos.0 -
ColoursYouHave✭✭✭✭✭
✭ColoursYouHave wrote: »What's that sound? Ah, that's the oft heard sound of a bunch of PvP players thinking they are the centre of the ESO universe.
What's that sound? Ah, that's the oft heard sound of a PVE player who has never had to fight a dynamic enemy so is completely ignorant of the current state of balance in the game.
I actually enjoy playing both PvE and PvP in ESO. PvP is not really dynamic, it's mainly a case of 'he who is in the largest zerg, wins'. I do have fun playing PvP in ESO, but it's not exactly going to win 'tactically dynamic PvP experience of the year' award, if such an award exists. It's like a computerised version of the board game 'Risk'. Got more yellow plastic cannons on the map than blue? Yellow wins.
I think that's why I struggle when I see some of my fellow PvPers getting so precious over it, like with these proc sets. Yes, there is something of a point there, but let's be honest, it's not exactly a finely tuned piece of tactical engineering as it is, it's just a click fest (as is PvE).
Not everybody just runs in zergs though, and even those who do experience substantially more dynamic experiences than in PVE content where the AI is programmed to do just about the same thing every single time. You are drastically oversimplfying PVP in this game with claims that it isn't dynamic, that the group with larger numbers always wins, its a click fest, etc. Sure, if you don't really know what you're doing, it may feel that way, and the proc sets do bring it closer to your description, but any experienced PVPer will know that there is much more to it than that, and honestly, the things that do remove the aspects of dynamic battles from the game are the very things you seem to be defending that PVP players are complaining about.2 -
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✭I try and stay away from players with proc sets in pvp I don't use them I'd prefer to have actual damage than any sort of percentages or chance
Feeling old school
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I try and stay away from players with proc sets in pvp I don't use them I'd prefer to have actual damage than any sort of percentages or chance
Feeling old school
I feel the same, I prefer raw base stats to be good rather than have rng or my armor do the killing for me. But in the end of the day, whe you get ganked by ppl using viper, tremorscale, widowmaker, velidreth and the list goes on....counless of times during the play session...it takes its toll. Pvp is now...all about the procc and not the skill. Sad.
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SnubbS✭✭✭✭✭Proc sets need to be nerfed -- but so do other things. Like -- Major Mending should not be in the game, and Major defile should be buffed to 40%.
Still though, it's nice to gapclose and oneshot light armor Templars before they can get into their rotation of holding block and casting BoL.0