You NEED to delay the release of housing.....

DarkLord · October 2016

Nope, housing is already late, it should have been released at launch.

Elsonso · October 2016

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Elsonso · October 2016

Baranthus wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Content creation and bugfixing are two entirely different teams/departments. You can't just put content creators on a bugfixing team because it is needed.

So basically what you are saying is the content creators create the bugs but a DIFFERENT team who aren't involved in content creation are assigned to fixing said bugs? And thus, not having the requisite knowledge to address content creation bugs are then placed in the precarioius position of further compounding existing issues due to being prt of a seperate team. Having a seperate team JUST to address bugs would seem like a rather expensive acknowledgement of underskilled content creators?

There is no indication that ZOS uses different teams for development and bug fixing. I am pretty sure that the team that develops the content fixss the bugs. It is important to understand that developers at ZOS are associated with more than one team, too.

cjthibs · October 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Content creation and bugfixing are two entirely different teams/departments. You can't just put content creators on a bugfixing team because it is needed.

So basically what you are saying is the content creators create the bugs but a DIFFERENT team who aren't involved in content creation are assigned to fixing said bugs? And thus, not having the requisite knowledge to address content creation bugs are then placed in the precarioius position of further compounding existing issues due to being prt of a seperate team. Having a seperate team JUST to address bugs would seem like a rather expensive acknowledgement of underskilled content creators?

There is no indication that ZOS uses different teams for development and bug fixing. I am pretty sure that the team that develops the content fixss the bugs. It is important to understand that developers at ZOS are associated with more than one team, too.

How would you know that?
Have you worked in software development?

Unless you're in a very small environment, QA is almost always a separate entity.
The same developers may contribute to the code, but the testing and isolation of issues falls to QA.

rotaugen454 · October 2016

And they need to stop all those people developing new costumes and have them work on bug fixes! Wait, they do a completely different job and might not even have the skill set to completely switch what work they do? Never mind...

Bam_Bam · October 2016

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

Every single update, is bringing a multitude of new bugs. We LOVE this game, but this latest update - AS PREDICTED - brought an avalanche of new bugs and game breaks.

PLEASE STOP THINKING OF YOUR WALLETS FOR JUST ONE UPDATE ONLY AND INSTEAD ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE BUGS AND GLITCHES AS IS POSSIBLE. We don't expect miracles. But fix the things that damage the game or cause people tio lose faith or feel like they are being ignored. As stated, you have a wide-ranging and eclectic community who love this game, to the point where we'll spend a lot of money on it. But recently the superb new content releases are being crushed by associated bugs - almost a week to fix the EU server login issue (which should never ever have happenned in the first place!) is breathtakingly inept.

Load of crap.

The only bugs ive seen is the launcher issues and the server logins. The rest are passable.

And as others have stated they are two different departments you cannot simply delay one side so the other can fix all the bugs.

Its just circular reasoning, because the moment a new patch is brought out a new set of bugs will come with it and never in the history of the industry have software come out bug free. Thats what a game is - Software.

By your logic, we would never have a content patch ever again. because we would need to delay every content patch to fix bugs. It makes no sense.

why? because there are bugs that occur outside of the test environment. that also means that there are bugs that simply cannot be prevented due to the multitude of problems that can occur from hundreds of thousands of people logging on to the same server at the same time while also downloading and installing the games and of course having the world rendered in real time for everyone.

Sorry for the hostility in my response but I am kinda sick of seeing this ill-informed bs on forums these days. Its getting repetitive and annoying.

I'm just on my way in to work so can't reply right now. I'll destroy your comments later when I get home though!

Elsonso · October 2016

cjthibs wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Content creation and bugfixing are two entirely different teams/departments. You can't just put content creators on a bugfixing team because it is needed.

So basically what you are saying is the content creators create the bugs but a DIFFERENT team who aren't involved in content creation are assigned to fixing said bugs? And thus, not having the requisite knowledge to address content creation bugs are then placed in the precarioius position of further compounding existing issues due to being prt of a seperate team. Having a seperate team JUST to address bugs would seem like a rather expensive acknowledgement of underskilled content creators?

There is no indication that ZOS uses different teams for development and bug fixing. I am pretty sure that the team that develops the content fixss the bugs. It is important to understand that developers at ZOS are associated with more than one team, too.

How would you know that?
Have you worked in software development?

Unless you're in a very small environment, QA is almost always a separate entity.
The same developers may contribute to the code, but the testing and isolation of issues falls to QA.

QA does not fix bugs. That is, unless the developer is doing the QA on what they have been working on.

Arundo · October 2016

No they should not ! Houses are on so many wishlists for a while lets get this in the game ASAP.

Asardes · October 2016

An Elder Scrolls Game without bugs is just like love without ... physical love

Uriel_Nocturne · October 2016

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

No delay !
In fact - how about a hot fix - rip out duelling & bolt in Housing in its place.
Everybody happy then!

Yeah... while I don't see this particular fix happening, I would support it.

I'm one of those PvE-only players who isn't really thrilled that dueling is getting put in.

*sigh* Oh well. Just one more thing I get to routinely ignore/deny while trying to just complete my writs at a crafting station.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2016

It could be an option if the lack of time/manhours were the cause of the persisting bugs, but nothing says it is the cause.

cjthibs · October 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Content creation and bugfixing are two entirely different teams/departments. You can't just put content creators on a bugfixing team because it is needed.

So basically what you are saying is the content creators create the bugs but a DIFFERENT team who aren't involved in content creation are assigned to fixing said bugs? And thus, not having the requisite knowledge to address content creation bugs are then placed in the precarioius position of further compounding existing issues due to being prt of a seperate team. Having a seperate team JUST to address bugs would seem like a rather expensive acknowledgement of underskilled content creators?

There is no indication that ZOS uses different teams for development and bug fixing. I am pretty sure that the team that develops the content fixss the bugs. It is important to understand that developers at ZOS are associated with more than one team, too.

How would you know that?
Have you worked in software development?

Unless you're in a very small environment, QA is almost always a separate entity.
The same developers may contribute to the code, but the testing and isolation of issues falls to QA.

QA does not fix bugs. That is, unless the developer is doing the QA on what they have been working on.

It's a bit early, but I did say that the developers contribute to the code, but rely on QA to test and isolate the issues.
There is a different set of skills and procedures that occur in the QA department. And those procedures are tedious and time-consuming and typically developers do not do them themselves because their skills are better utilized in actually writing code.

Most developers would quit if they had to spend their time doing test plans.

Katahdin · October 2016

Houses are going to be bought with in game gold so the OP's comment about ZoS thinking about their wallets is unfounded.

Elsonso · October 2016

Katahdin wrote: »

Houses are going to be bought with in game gold so the OP's comment about ZoS thinking about their wallets is unfounded.

When they finally get around to giving us the fine print on Housing, then we will know exactly what stake the Crown Store has in this whole Housing thing. Right now, they might be giving us the rose colored glasses view. It would not be unprecedented.

To think that ZOS is not thinking about MY wallet is unfounded in the current climate.

elvenmad · October 2016

Katahdin wrote: »

Houses are going to be bought with in game gold so the OP's comment about ZoS thinking about their wallets is unfounded.

there will be a money making system linked to the housing you can 100% guarantee that, wait for it to go live, there is no way they invested in this implementation without gaining a monetary return. EVERYTHING they do is done for a monetary return, thats business

BigBragg · October 2016

I wish people would stop using the word "need" so much. I don't think they actually know what it means.

andreasranasen · October 2016

"Please stop thinking of your wallets"... But One Tamriel was free? There are different departments at ZOS doing different things. The people laying out future content are not the same people dealing with bugs. OP post is not a valid argument.

ParaNostram · October 2016

Baranthus wrote: »

PLEASE STOP THINKING OF YOUR WALLETS FOR JUST ONE UPDATE ONLY AND INSTEAD ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE BUGS AND GLITCHES AS IS POSSIBLE.

>>TFW OP says ZOS is just thinking of their wallets
>>One Tamriel = Free DLC
>>Housing is bought with in game gold
>>logic.jpg

Seriously, it's like two free DLCs in a row and you're accusing them of just thinking with their wallets. Way to go OP.

PurifedBladez · October 2016

Housing is a desperation call from zos. They're just putting it in there now because it will keep the game alive for some more time and, probably result in some good profits on the way out. Thats also why crown crates are being put in. Make no mistake it's the beginning of the end.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2016

ParaNostram wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

PLEASE STOP THINKING OF YOUR WALLETS FOR JUST ONE UPDATE ONLY AND INSTEAD ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE BUGS AND GLITCHES AS IS POSSIBLE.

>>TFW OP says ZOS is just thinking of their wallets
>>One Tamriel = Free DLC
>>Housing is bought with in game gold
>>logic.jpg

Seriously, it's like two free DLCs in a row and you're accusing them of just thinking with their wallets. Way to go OP.

Firor said housing expansions would be purchasable with ingame gold. He never said said that access to housing wouldn't be subject to buying the DLC (or have ESO+) in the first place. I doubt housing will be a "free" DLC - and I don't see why it should be.

ParaNostram · October 2016

PurifedBladez wrote: »

Housing is a desperation call from zos. They're just putting it in there now because it will keep the game alive for some more time and, probably result in some good profits on the way out. Thats also why crown crates are being put in. Make no mistake it's the beginning of the end.

Yes, making a free DLC after an earlier free DLC is a desperation call to make some money on the way out. YUP. TOTALLY TRUE. OMG WHY DIDN'T I SEE IT BEFORE!?!?!?!?!

Seriously @PurifedBladez ease up on the doom saying, alright? This game is doing the best it has in since like launch.

PurifedBladez · October 2016

ParaNostram wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

Housing is a desperation call from zos. They're just putting it in there now because it will keep the game alive for some more time and, probably result in some good profits on the way out. Thats also why crown crates are being put in. Make no mistake it's the beginning of the end.

Yes, making a free DLC after an earlier free DLC is a desperation call to make some money on the way out. YUP. TOTALLY TRUE. OMG WHY DIDN'T I SEE IT BEFORE!?!?!?!?!

Seriously @PurifedBladez ease up on the doom saying, alright? This game is doing the best it has in since like launch.

Uhh all they did was combine factions and add sets. I mean you can almost say it had to be free.. lol or how would it work for the players that didn't purchase it? Combining the playerbase supports my claims.

You think this is the best this game has been doing since launch? That's hilarious. If that was the case One Tam would of never happened. They're trying to bring back everyone and anyone now not with content and bug fixes but with profit driven gimmicks to get you to make a quick purchase.

I_killed_Vivec · October 2016

Houses will probably be restricted to the NA server

DysonSolar · October 2016

They don't need to delay housing, they need to put it in asap. First, I quit paying for ESO Plus till there is housing. Secondly, I have quit playing the game as it's boring as hell. It's like every other MMO I've played and has none of what made the solo PC games fun, like housing. Along the same lines, there is basically no modding community, especially as there were on the PC solo versions of the game. The best content for those games were written as mods. The lack of mods is another reason I am not paying or playing any more until housing and full mod support shows up this game. Add to those two items the extremely sloppy management of this game and it's lack of testing before updates are released and it's just barely tolerable for me to not get a headache just thinking of how screwed up this game is from the solo games. It is the total opposite of why I fell in love with Bethesda Software. Then again, all good things die.

ParaNostram · October 2016

PurifedBladez wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

Housing is a desperation call from zos. They're just putting it in there now because it will keep the game alive for some more time and, probably result in some good profits on the way out. Thats also why crown crates are being put in. Make no mistake it's the beginning of the end.

Yes, making a free DLC after an earlier free DLC is a desperation call to make some money on the way out. YUP. TOTALLY TRUE. OMG WHY DIDN'T I SEE IT BEFORE!?!?!?!?!

Seriously @PurifedBladez ease up on the doom saying, alright? This game is doing the best it has in since like launch.

Uhh all they did was combine factions and add sets. I mean you can almost say it had to be free.. lol or how would it work for the players that didn't purchase it? Combining the playerbase supports my claims.

You think this is the best this game has been doing since launch? That's hilarious. If that was the case One Tam would of never happened. They're trying to bring back everyone and anyone now not with content and bug fixes but with profit driven gimmicks to get you to make a quick purchase.

I literally can't even with you, you're just too odd to even with. Your logic... I... What? One Tamriel is a complete overhaul of the game btw not a small thing. How is it a cash grab? I don't understand? Or free player housing done entirely with in game gold, how is that a cash grab? If you were talking about just the crates, you'd have an argument. The bugs, contrary to doom sayers such as yourself, have gone down overall. They release new content incredibly frequently (I want to say more frequently than any other MMO on the market but unlike you I prefer not to make claims that I'm not certain can be backed up).

Just... I have no words for you, good sir. Perhaps I should communicate in memes instead.

idk · October 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Content creation and bugfixing are two entirely different teams/departments. You can't just put content creators on a bugfixing team because it is needed.

So basically what you are saying is the content creators create the bugs but a DIFFERENT team who aren't involved in content creation are assigned to fixing said bugs? And thus, not having the requisite knowledge to address content creation bugs are then placed in the precarioius position of further compounding existing issues due to being prt of a seperate team. Having a seperate team JUST to address bugs would seem like a rather expensive acknowledgement of underskilled content creators?

There is no indication that ZOS uses different teams for development and bug fixing. I am pretty sure that the team that develops the content fixss the bugs. It is important to understand that developers at ZOS are associated with more than one team, too.

@lordrichter

What are you basing your comments on?

It would be expected that content developers are working on a project of mumtiple projects at various stages of developement when working in a larger environment with decent organization. It would also be expected there would be a team that Zooey focused on discovering the cause of "bugs" and work on developing fixes though they may consult with members of the original design team.

Finding the cause of bugs and devlolkmg solutions is a very specific type of experience in software developement.

Wouldn't be prudent to have people working all over the place and without focus. It just doesn't make sense.

Panda_iMunch · October 2016

I demand something SO IT MUST BE DONE REGARDLESS IF I THINK OR NOT

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2016

"The speed of technological advancement isn't nearly as important as short term quarterly gains." - Quark

PurifedBladez · October 2016

ParaNostram wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

Housing is a desperation call from zos. They're just putting it in there now because it will keep the game alive for some more time and, probably result in some good profits on the way out. Thats also why crown crates are being put in. Make no mistake it's the beginning of the end.

Yes, making a free DLC after an earlier free DLC is a desperation call to make some money on the way out. YUP. TOTALLY TRUE. OMG WHY DIDN'T I SEE IT BEFORE!?!?!?!?!

Seriously @PurifedBladez ease up on the doom saying, alright? This game is doing the best it has in since like launch.

Uhh all they did was combine factions and add sets. I mean you can almost say it had to be free.. lol or how would it work for the players that didn't purchase it? Combining the playerbase supports my claims.

You think this is the best this game has been doing since launch? That's hilarious. If that was the case One Tam would of never happened. They're trying to bring back everyone and anyone now not with content and bug fixes but with profit driven gimmicks to get you to make a quick purchase.

I literally can't even with you, you're just too odd to even with. Your logic... I... What? One Tamriel is a complete overhaul of the game btw not a small thing. How is it a cash grab? I don't understand? Or free player housing done entirely with in game gold, how is that a cash grab? If you were talking about just the crates, you'd have an argument. The bugs, contrary to doom sayers such as yourself, have gone down overall. They release new content incredibly frequently (I want to say more frequently than any other MMO on the market but unlike you I prefer not to make claims that I'm not certain can be backed up).

Just... I have no words for you, good sir. Perhaps I should communicate in memes instead.

Lol personal attacks? When did I say it was a cash grab? Did you ever read what I wrote. All I said about one tamirel is that it supports my claims of a dying game by the need to combine the factions. You may not notice it now because it just released but, you'll see in time.

If you think housing will not have in game crown store purchases then you are wrong. Maybe not when it releases but, they will definitely find there way to the store. Guarantee there's some stuff for housing in those crates.

How can you honestly say the bugs have gone down? Crashes still occur, sets are still bugged, some parts of the game are unplayable, *** there's a thread on here at least everyday talking about some bug, exploit, etc.

How can you not see that ZOS is preparing for the end of this game as well? Combining factions and setting up some serious fluff.

cjthibs · October 2016

PurifedBladez wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

Housing is a desperation call from zos. They're just putting it in there now because it will keep the game alive for some more time and, probably result in some good profits on the way out. Thats also why crown crates are being put in. Make no mistake it's the beginning of the end.

Yes, making a free DLC after an earlier free DLC is a desperation call to make some money on the way out. YUP. TOTALLY TRUE. OMG WHY DIDN'T I SEE IT BEFORE!?!?!?!?!

Seriously @PurifedBladez ease up on the doom saying, alright? This game is doing the best it has in since like launch.

Uhh all they did was combine factions and add sets. I mean you can almost say it had to be free.. lol or how would it work for the players that didn't purchase it? Combining the playerbase supports my claims.

You think this is the best this game has been doing since launch? That's hilarious. If that was the case One Tam would of never happened. They're trying to bring back everyone and anyone now not with content and bug fixes but with profit driven gimmicks to get you to make a quick purchase.

I literally can't even with you, you're just too odd to even with. Your logic... I... What? One Tamriel is a complete overhaul of the game btw not a small thing. How is it a cash grab? I don't understand? Or free player housing done entirely with in game gold, how is that a cash grab? If you were talking about just the crates, you'd have an argument. The bugs, contrary to doom sayers such as yourself, have gone down overall. They release new content incredibly frequently (I want to say more frequently than any other MMO on the market but unlike you I prefer not to make claims that I'm not certain can be backed up).

Just... I have no words for you, good sir. Perhaps I should communicate in memes instead.

Lol personal attacks? When did I say it was a cash grab? Did you ever read what I wrote. All I said about one tamirel is that it supports my claims of a dying game by the need to combine the factions. You may not notice it now because it just released but, you'll see in time.

If you think housing will not have in game crown store purchases then you are wrong. Maybe not when it releases but, they will definitely find there way to the store. Guarantee there's some stuff for housing in those crates.

How can you honestly say the bugs have gone down? Crashes still occur, sets are still bugged, some parts of the game are unplayable, *** there's a thread on here at least everyday talking about some bug, exploit, etc.

How can you not see that ZOS is preparing for the end of this game as well? Combining factions and setting up some serious fluff.

Maybe it is a dying game, maybe it isn't. You can't prove it either way.

There probably will be items in the crates for housing, I'll give you that. But we do know that the system is usable without requiring cash purchases, so it is not a cash grab.

Can you quantify the amount of bugs? ...if so, please share, if not please don't make baseless assertions.

And...again, you don't know the game is dying. The combination of areas and removal of levels makes this game more interesting, and you have no way of knowing what their intentions were in doing so.

...but hey, the end is nigh!