You NEED to delay the release of housing.....

Bam_Bam

Every single update, is bringing a multitude of new bugs. We LOVE this game, but this latest update - AS PREDICTED - brought an avalanche of new bugs and game breaks.

PLEASE STOP THINKING OF YOUR WALLETS FOR JUST ONE UPDATE ONLY AND INSTEAD ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE BUGS AND GLITCHES AS IS POSSIBLE. We don't expect miracles. But fix the things that damage the game or cause people tio lose faith or feel like they are being ignored. As stated, you have a wide-ranging and eclectic community who love this game, to the point where we'll spend a lot of money on it. But recently the superb new content releases are being crushed by associated bugs - almost a week to fix the EU server login issue (which should never ever have happenned in the first place!) is breathtakingly inept.

XDragonDoomX

No delay !
In fact - how about a hot fix - rip out duelling & bolt in Housing in its place.
Everybody happy then!

Valykc

Yeah I'd be ok with delaying content for some heavy bug fixing maintenance before it gets to be too much to handle.

/signed

Woeler

You do not NEED to delay the release of housing.....

Content creation and bugfixing are two entirely different teams/departments. You can't just put content creators on a bugfixing team because it is needed.

Some people are really narrow minded when it comes to business structures.

Digiman

I don't see the fascination in housing, its probably going to be phased in the same spot. I don't know the length of bugs this game has still gotten but from what I read they addressed a lot of the old ones and this was a new patch release.

Hell I am surprised the game was still here on my computer when it launched the update.

Knootewoot

Instead of delaying it, release it now. I want my Breton small house.

Taternater

Or the next update will contain just bugs and remove all pve content. The gimmick would be players would be able to find bugs to exploit, then other players would counter with their own exploits, and cyrodil would have less lag because there wouldn't be any more pve players bogging down the servers.

Bam_Bam

Taternater wrote: »

Or the next update will contain just bugs and remove all pve content. The gimmick would be players would be able to find bugs to exploit, then other players would counter with their own exploits, and cyrodil would have less lag because there wouldn't be any more pve players bogging down the servers.

LOOOL :P

Qyrk

/facepalm hard

Different teams.....why don't people get it? Oh wait it's too logical for this community

Meilinka

Never! I need my house so I can turn it into a love dungeon!

Bam_Bam

Woeler wrote: »

You do not NEED to delay the release of housing.....

Ummmm, yes they do.

Woeler wrote: »

Content creation and bugfixing are two entirely different teams/departments. You can't just put content creators on a bugfixing team because it is needed.

So basically what you are saying is the content creators create the bugs but a DIFFERENT team who aren't involved in content creation are assigned to fixing said bugs? And thus, not having the requisite knowledge to address content creation bugs are then placed in the precarioius position of further compounding existing issues due to being prt of a seperate team. Having a seperate team JUST to address bugs would seem like a rather expensive acknowledgement of underskilled content creators?

Woeler wrote: »

Some people are really narrow minded when it comes to business structures.

Please, elaborate and share your extensive and, indeed, volumaic knowledge on this subject and bestow a fraction of your benevolent wisdom for us all?

White wabbit

My Templar actually needs a house to move into to be safe

Bam_Bam

White wabbit wrote: »

My Templar actually needs a house to move into to be safe

Its a big, bad world out there. I hope your templar will be safe .

Bam_Bam

Meilinka wrote: »

Never! I need my house so I can turn it into a love dungeon!

One great big, red room of pain....

White wabbit

As the house wobel promised sucks

ku5h

Baranthus wrote: »

Every single update, is bringing a multitude of new bugs. We LOVE this game, but this latest update - AS PREDICTED - brought an avalanche of new bugs and game breaks.

PLEASE STOP THINKING OF YOUR WALLETS FOR JUST ONE UPDATE ONLY AND INSTEAD ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE BUGS AND GLITCHES AS IS POSSIBLE. We don't expect miracles. But fix the things that damage the game or cause people tio lose faith or feel like they are being ignored. As stated, you have a wide-ranging and eclectic community who love this game, to the point where we'll spend a lot of money on it. But recently the superb new content releases are being crushed by associated bugs - almost a week to fix the EU server login issue (which should never ever have happenned in the first place!) is breathtakingly inept.

I might agree with you on this if i didn't saw a video where they talk about housing. It will be totaly cash free. You will get your first house by completing related quest line, more expensive houses will be bought by gold. Max lvl crafter will be able to craft furniture to decorate their houses.
I also originaly thought that housing will be yet anoder cash grab by ZoS, but i was plesently surprised when i saw this new info.

Bam_Bam

ku5h wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

Every single update, is bringing a multitude of new bugs. We LOVE this game, but this latest update - AS PREDICTED - brought an avalanche of new bugs and game breaks.

PLEASE STOP THINKING OF YOUR WALLETS FOR JUST ONE UPDATE ONLY AND INSTEAD ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE BUGS AND GLITCHES AS IS POSSIBLE. We don't expect miracles. But fix the things that damage the game or cause people tio lose faith or feel like they are being ignored. As stated, you have a wide-ranging and eclectic community who love this game, to the point where we'll spend a lot of money on it. But recently the superb new content releases are being crushed by associated bugs - almost a week to fix the EU server login issue (which should never ever have happenned in the first place!) is breathtakingly inept.

I might agree with you on this if i didn't saw a video where they talk about housing. It will be totaly cash free. You will get your first house by completing related quest line, more expensive houses will be bought by gold. Max lvl crafter will be able to craft furniture to decorate their houses.
I also originaly thought that housing will be yet anoder cash grab by ZoS, but i was plesently surprised when i saw this new info.

Just to clarify, I've seen that video too and housing looks BRILLIANT - I'm not saying that we shouldn't have it. But all new content is released with the hope of increasing subscriptions and getting people to dip into the crown store. It is a win-win situation for everyone really (unless people expect everything to be free but that's a different issue) - we get new things and ZoS get money.
However, if you consider each new update and the amount of issues each one brings - it takes away from the enjoyment factor because hte content is ALWAYS bugged and brings other issues that then require maintenances, hot fixes, patches etc etc etc.
So when I said stop thinking of your wallets - it wasn't a reference to housing per sé, but instead look toward putting the same amoiunt of energy into sorting as many issues out as possible first and THEN give us a new update.

Kyoma

Woeler wrote: »

You do not NEED to delay the release of housing.....

Content creation and bugfixing are two entirely different teams/departments. You can't just put content creators on a bugfixing team because it is needed.

Some people are really narrow minded when it comes to business structures.

You clearly dont understand how developement works, You literally have every developer drawing up a single piece of content and then select the best one. This way you can ensure the players get the most out of their game and developers can continue to push new content while leaving the old content on the border of being broken.

/sarcasm

Tryxus

Plz no

I want my Chateau du Tryxus pronto

ku5h

Baranthus wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

Every single update, is bringing a multitude of new bugs. We LOVE this game, but this latest update - AS PREDICTED - brought an avalanche of new bugs and game breaks.

PLEASE STOP THINKING OF YOUR WALLETS FOR JUST ONE UPDATE ONLY AND INSTEAD ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE BUGS AND GLITCHES AS IS POSSIBLE. We don't expect miracles. But fix the things that damage the game or cause people tio lose faith or feel like they are being ignored. As stated, you have a wide-ranging and eclectic community who love this game, to the point where we'll spend a lot of money on it. But recently the superb new content releases are being crushed by associated bugs - almost a week to fix the EU server login issue (which should never ever have happenned in the first place!) is breathtakingly inept.

I might agree with you on this if i didn't saw a video where they talk about housing. It will be totaly cash free. You will get your first house by completing related quest line, more expensive houses will be bought by gold. Max lvl crafter will be able to craft furniture to decorate their houses.
I also originaly thought that housing will be yet anoder cash grab by ZoS, but i was plesently surprised when i saw this new info.

Just to clarify, I've seen that video too and housing looks BRILLIANT - I'm not saying that we shouldn't have it. But all new content is released with the hope of increasing subscriptions and getting people to dip into the crown store. It is a win-win situation for everyone really (unless people expect everything to be free but that's a different issue) - we get new things and ZoS get money.
However, if you consider each new update and the amount of issues each one brings - it takes away from the enjoyment factor because hte content is ALWAYS bugged and brings other issues that then require maintenances, hot fixes, patches etc etc etc.
So when I said stop thinking of your wallets - it wasn't a reference to housing per sé, but instead look toward putting the same amoiunt of energy into sorting as many issues out as possible first and THEN give us a new update.

Agree with you on that. Im also EU player, so even loging in now is a chore, not to mention half of skill visuals are just gone. Every new big update brings ton of new bugs, while old ones are not fixed, atleast not all, so with every new update list of persisting bugs just grows. I got that. I just hope todays patch fix invisible skills, because its really pain to play like this. I play less since T1 hit, then before it hit. That explains all.

Moltyr

Baranthus wrote: »

Every single update, is bringing a multitude of new bugs. We LOVE this game, but this latest update - AS PREDICTED - brought an avalanche of new bugs and game breaks.

PLEASE STOP THINKING OF YOUR WALLETS FOR JUST ONE UPDATE ONLY AND INSTEAD ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE BUGS AND GLITCHES AS IS POSSIBLE. We don't expect miracles. But fix the things that damage the game or cause people tio lose faith or feel like they are being ignored. As stated, you have a wide-ranging and eclectic community who love this game, to the point where we'll spend a lot of money on it. But recently the superb new content releases are being crushed by associated bugs - almost a week to fix the EU server login issue (which should never ever have happenned in the first place!) is breathtakingly inept.

I urge each and every one of you guys to take a few minutes each day you play to report anything in the game that alters your performance. I have started doing that - even for the smallest issues (including garbage traits on vMA weapons). If they won't listen right now, that's fine. Keep submitting, every day. Make it so that at some point when they look at the amount of players TELLING them there is a problem they might actually take us seriously.

I can tell you one thing, I have played this game since release. I have also taken 2 breaks from it because of the way they handle the ongoing issues. All I can tell you is that since 2014, there are still significant bugs/issues that have not been resolved. This is a complete failure from a design standpoint, at the very core of the game's development.

If you look at the patch notes for update 12 (unless they deleted this part); there is a portion in there where they admitted that there were unresolved bugs with the new content. Yet miraculously, it was still made live. ZOS: "Ah, *** it...release that *** anyways. We fix later lol."

So I strongly encourage anyone who is tired of the same crap to hold ZOS more accountable. You can submit bug reports, tickets, even post on social media. The more people they have motivating them, the more likely we are to see change.

idk

Avalanche of new bugs?

Seems a little dramatic and out of place.

A game that does not bring in new content is a game that no one plays anymore because they have grown tired of the old content. For those that have played on PC since launch, we know this all to well since we went a year without any meaningful content added to the game.

Every game has bugs. Every game has some bugs introduced with major updates. At that, not every bug is fixed. I have seen major MMOs not fix bugs that have been in their game for 4 years, but they fixed the most important ones.

White wabbit

Unless there are new content people will leave due to boredom

Elsonso

Baranthus wrote: »

Every single update, is bringing a multitude of new bugs. We LOVE this game, but this latest update - AS PREDICTED - brought an avalanche of new bugs and game breaks.

PLEASE STOP THINKING OF YOUR WALLETS FOR JUST ONE UPDATE ONLY AND INSTEAD ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE BUGS AND GLITCHES AS IS POSSIBLE. We don't expect miracles. But fix the things that damage the game or cause people tio lose faith or feel like they are being ignored. As stated, you have a wide-ranging and eclectic community who love this game, to the point where we'll spend a lot of money on it. But recently the superb new content releases are being crushed by associated bugs - almost a week to fix the EU server login issue (which should never ever have happenned in the first place!) is breathtakingly inept.

The answer is not necessarily one of delay, they just need to pay attention to what they are doing and get it right. If they don't do that, it really does not matter when they release Housing.

We are never going to get new polished systems from them, at least not game systems.

At least now I think I have a complete handle on why they are doing Crown Crates and why they are so important to all of us, even if we don't know it.

xeNNNNN

Baranthus wrote: »

Every single update, is bringing a multitude of new bugs. We LOVE this game, but this latest update - AS PREDICTED - brought an avalanche of new bugs and game breaks.

PLEASE STOP THINKING OF YOUR WALLETS FOR JUST ONE UPDATE ONLY AND INSTEAD ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE BUGS AND GLITCHES AS IS POSSIBLE. We don't expect miracles. But fix the things that damage the game or cause people tio lose faith or feel like they are being ignored. As stated, you have a wide-ranging and eclectic community who love this game, to the point where we'll spend a lot of money on it. But recently the superb new content releases are being crushed by associated bugs - almost a week to fix the EU server login issue (which should never ever have happenned in the first place!) is breathtakingly inept.

Load of crap.

The only bugs ive seen is the launcher issues and the server logins. The rest are passable.

And as others have stated they are two different departments you cannot simply delay one side so the other can fix all the bugs.

Its just circular reasoning, because the moment a new patch is brought out a new set of bugs will come with it and never in the history of the industry have software come out bug free. Thats what a game is - Software.

By your logic, we would never have a content patch ever again. because we would need to delay every content patch to fix bugs. It makes no sense.

why? because there are bugs that occur outside of the test environment. that also means that there are bugs that simply cannot be prevented due to the multitude of problems that can occur from hundreds of thousands of people logging on to the same server at the same time while also downloading and installing the games and of course having the world rendered in real time for everyone.

Sorry for the hostility in my response but I am kinda sick of seeing this ill-informed bs on forums these days. Its getting repetitive and annoying.

bedlom

Hell no!

Sergun

No need delay !!! Need strong hands and brains to ZoS' personals !!!

Tandor

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

Every single update, is bringing a multitude of new bugs. We LOVE this game, but this latest update - AS PREDICTED - brought an avalanche of new bugs and game breaks.

PLEASE STOP THINKING OF YOUR WALLETS FOR JUST ONE UPDATE ONLY AND INSTEAD ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE BUGS AND GLITCHES AS IS POSSIBLE. We don't expect miracles. But fix the things that damage the game or cause people tio lose faith or feel like they are being ignored. As stated, you have a wide-ranging and eclectic community who love this game, to the point where we'll spend a lot of money on it. But recently the superb new content releases are being crushed by associated bugs - almost a week to fix the EU server login issue (which should never ever have happenned in the first place!) is breathtakingly inept.

Load of crap.

The only bugs ive seen is the launcher issues and the server logins. The rest are passable.

And as others have stated they are two different departments you cannot simply delay one side so the other can fix all the bugs.

Its just circular reasoning, because the moment a new patch is brought out a new set of bugs will come with it and never in the history of the industry have software come out bug free. Thats what a game is - Software.

By your logic, we would never have a content patch ever again. because we would need to delay every content patch to fix bugs. It makes no sense.

why? because there are bugs that occur outside of the test environment. that also means that there are bugs that simply cannot be prevented due to the multitude of problems that can occur from hundreds of thousands of people logging on to the same server at the same time while also downloading and installing the games and of course having the world rendered in real time for everyone.

Sorry for the hostility in my response but I am kinda sick of seeing this ill-informed bs on forums these days. Its getting repetitive and annoying.

This.

I don't have any issues with the game at all, apart from the EU login issue which arguably should have been fixed quicker but which hardly inconvenienced me once I'd sorted out the initial folder deletion/renaming etc. Logging in never took me more than a minute extra and that's not something I'm going to QQ about.

Unfortunately, the people who do QQ about the quality of the game will also be the first to QQ if additional content was delayed - I can imagine all too well the references to quarterly updates which if not forthcoming will be described as lies and broken promises. No developer can ever win on the forums, sadly. Fortunately they don't need to.

Danikat

Baranthus wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

You do not NEED to delay the release of housing.....

Ummmm, yes they do.

Woeler wrote: »

Content creation and bugfixing are two entirely different teams/departments. You can't just put content creators on a bugfixing team because it is needed.

So basically what you are saying is the content creators create the bugs but a DIFFERENT team who aren't involved in content creation are assigned to fixing said bugs? And thus, not having the requisite knowledge to address content creation bugs are then placed in the precarioius position of further compounding existing issues due to being prt of a seperate team. Having a seperate team JUST to address bugs would seem like a rather expensive acknowledgement of underskilled content creators?

Woeler wrote: »

Some people are really narrow minded when it comes to business structures.

Please, elaborate and share your extensive and, indeed, volumaic knowledge on this subject and bestow a fraction of your benevolent wisdom for us all?

Of course it's different people, it requires completely different skills. Think of it like your own job.

For example part of my job is to create blog posts and articles for our website. The software I use to do it is a lot like posting on this forum - I put the text into the right boxes, select images to include and hit upload. If anything goes wrong (ie. the formatting is all screwy or a picture doesn't work I can't fix it myself. I have to contact the web team and ask them to sort it out.

That same web team is also working on a longer-term project to overhaul the entire website. What you're suggesting is like saying we could get our new website done faster if I stopped writing articles and instead was sent to help the web team build the new site.

Except that wouldn't help at all because I know nothing about building websites. I once had a Freewebs site and before that I customised my Neopets pages (anyone remember those?) but that's it. If I tried to help them they'd have to spend more time teaching me how to do it and fixing my inevitable mistakes than if they just got on and did it themselves.

Likewise I can and have created skins and other art assets for 3rd party mods in games but again that's the extent of my knowledge. If it's a skin I can get it into the game myself by overwriting the existing files, but anything more complicated I hand over to a friend. The friend in question cannot draw if his life depended on it, when he sends me example mods he's working on the art literally looks like a child had their first try at Paint (e.g. an oval with 4 sticks on the bottom and the word 'horse' scrawled across it). According to your thinking we could make twice as many mods by both doing the whole process ourselves, but the reality is we'd end up with the same amount because it would take us much longer to do the parts the other person normally does and the end result wouldn't be nearly as good.

Eirella

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

No delay !
In fact - how about a hot fix - rip out duelling & bolt in Housing in its place.
Everybody happy then!

Uh...no?

hrothbern

Danikat wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

You do not NEED to delay the release of housing.....

Ummmm, yes they do.

Woeler wrote: »

Content creation and bugfixing are two entirely different teams/departments. You can't just put content creators on a bugfixing team because it is needed.

So basically what you are saying is the content creators create the bugs but a DIFFERENT team who aren't involved in content creation are assigned to fixing said bugs? And thus, not having the requisite knowledge to address content creation bugs are then placed in the precarioius position of further compounding existing issues due to being prt of a seperate team. Having a seperate team JUST to address bugs would seem like a rather expensive acknowledgement of underskilled content creators?

Woeler wrote: »

Some people are really narrow minded when it comes to business structures.

Please, elaborate and share your extensive and, indeed, volumaic knowledge on this subject and bestow a fraction of your benevolent wisdom for us all?

Of course it's different people, it requires completely different skills. Think of it like your own job.

For example part of my job is to create blog posts and articles for our website. The software I use to do it is a lot like posting on this forum - I put the text into the right boxes, select images to include and hit upload. If anything goes wrong (ie. the formatting is all screwy or a picture doesn't work I can't fix it myself. I have to contact the web team and ask them to sort it out.

That same web team is also working on a longer-term project to overhaul the entire website. What you're suggesting is like saying we could get our new website done faster if I stopped writing articles and instead was sent to help the web team build the new site.

Except that wouldn't help at all because I know nothing about building websites. I once had a Freewebs site and before that I customised my Neopets pages (anyone remember those?) but that's it. If I tried to help them they'd have to spend more time teaching me how to do it and fixing my inevitable mistakes than if they just got on and did it themselves.

Likewise I can and have created skins and other art assets for 3rd party mods in games but again that's the extent of my knowledge. If it's a skin I can get it into the game myself by overwriting the existing files, but anything more complicated I hand over to a friend. The friend in question cannot draw if his life depended on it, when he sends me example mods he's working on the art literally looks like a child had their first try at Paint (e.g. an oval with 4 sticks on the bottom and the word 'horse' scrawled across it). According to your thinking we could make twice as many mods by both doing the whole process ourselves, but the reality is we'd end up with the same amount because it would take us much longer to do the parts the other person normally does and the end result wouldn't be nearly as good.

oh boy...
your post is much to reasonable
and contains to many RL truths

Don't you know by yet
that most whiners go from jobless directly to the chair of CEO on this forum

"I want it now..."
"Just get it done..."
"No.... don't come with excuses... I pay you for solutions..."
"I would really be disappointed in you when you are ....."

+1 for keep on trying @Danikat

EDIT:
I mean ofc only the CEO's that like to bully, understand only what they want to and play dumb