A Final Plea for the Full Justice System - Using Dueling

BoloBoffin

It seems simple now that I've seen it. Make it so people with active bounties can't refuse a duel from a player with an enforcer tabard. The tabard would give the enforcer the ability to see people with bounties (glowing yellow), but if the thief is sneaking, it's subject to detection mechanics. And the enforcer should have a glow and a red hovering eye (similar to NPC lookouts) visible only to thieves with bounties.

If the enforcer spots a thief and gets a duel request off within a certain range (20 meters?), the dual begins with a special Justice flag for the fight area. The thief running from the dual is instant forfeit of all stolen goods to the enforcer. NPC guards can NOT join this dual. If the thief wins, he or she is instantly transported to the nearest refuge. If the enforcer wins, he or she gets the loot and walks away to the enforcer station for the reward.

How about it, ZOS?

Korah_Eaglecry

What part of No Forcing Players to do anything dont you or any of your pro PvP Justice System advocates understand?

I mean, Hello...Mcfly!

Daemons_Bane

Yay -_- you don't even try to hide it do you.. You just call for auto griefing, no lube.. I can see it happening.. Some poor newb player tries to make a few gold pieces by picking a few pockets.. Then some bored gank loving PvP player spots him and busts him so hard that it ain't even funny.. What a great welcome for poor little newb

alexkdd99

What is your solution to stop enforcers from just camping refuge entrances?

Why do people feel the need in forcing others into duels/pvp. If you want to play pvp, go to cyrodil, or invite a willing participant into a dual.

Korah_Eaglecry

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Yay -_- you don't even try to hide it do you.. You just call for auto griefing, no lube.. I can see it happening.. Some poor newb player tries to make a few gold pieces by picking a few pockets.. Then some bored gank loving PvP player spots him and busts him so hard that it ain't even funny.. What a great welcome for poor little newb

Its far worse than that. Imagine you walk up to one of the Guild Traders. Its your first day in the game and youre looking around to see what they have in the store you might be able to buy for cheap and use. But just as you go to click on the Trader they move ever so slightly and you suddenly find yourself picking up bananas off of their cart. Instantly youre a thief without even trying to be one and some guy prowling the area looking for newbs making this very mistake jumps on you.

Welcome to Tamriel New Guy! Enjoy the ganking!

Daemons_Bane

Pretty much the same as what I posted The morale is that it will end BADLY!

BrianDavion

fact is this type of stuff isn't to people's liking. every MMO I've ever played? the PVP servers die first. there's a reason for that

merovignub17_ESO

This is why we can't have nice things.

Tandor

While I have to say there has been some stiff competition, this has to be the worst proposal yet for screwing up PvE content in favour of the never-ending demand of PvPers to find as many ways as possible to introduce open world PvP.

Bouldercleave

Why is there a relentless focus on wanting to find any excuse to kill another player - even if that other player is just wanting to go around and do their own thing?

Do people really want to grief other players that badly?

We have PvP and PvE in this game already. If I want to fight another active player, there is dueling, Cyrodil, and IC.

The only people that I see for this kind of thing are just ITCHING to go on a killing spree in town under the guise of "Justice". That's what the unkillable guards are for.

I've played open PvP games where griefing was pretty much the norm - and they sucked.

BrianDavion

Tandor wrote: »

While I have to say there has been some stiff competition, this has to be the worst proposal yet for screwing up PvE content in favour of the never-ending demand of PvPers to find as many ways as possible to introduce open world PvP.

honestly given how "wildely sucessful" ever MMO would supposedly be if the game just brought in more open PVP you'd think there would be SOME MMO with mass open world PVP that is the secret to it's sucess.

I can't think of any, the top MMOs right now are proably WOW, guild wars 2, FFXIV, SWTOR and ESO,

Of those listed only WoW really has PVP servers (SWTOR has them but they're ghost towns)

AshTal

I already find when I am playing my low levels I get high levels following me around trying to duel them and then sending me "coward" and "weakling" tells as I have Auto decline on. ((Oddly enough never happens on my level 50)) so I would be against anything which forces PvP or encourages gankers.

While I would like an improvement to justice system anything which would be so easily abused must be a no.

grom1024

One short question to OP: Does the word 'final' mean that you will stop asking for it after that post?

BoloBoffin

Forcing players to not do something they don't want to do? If you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime.

You're breaking my heart with the newb stories. Tell you what - allow the enforcers to only challenge people with notorious or fugitive level bounties. That should protect the poor little day one players with someone else's banana in their unsuspecting hands. And then thieves could clean their bounties with a couple of pardons when they spot a red eye floating through the crowd.

How to stop the enforcers from camping the refuge entrances? Open up the other three planned entrances in each city with a refuge as originally designed. Will enforcers camp all five in every city? Maybe, just maybe thieves will get through once or twice or find another city where the enforcers don't have all five locked down?

You have PvP in the PvE worlds now. This would blend in with the existing duels you already see Tamriel-wide.

grom1024

BrianDavion wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

While I have to say there has been some stiff competition, this has to be the worst proposal yet for screwing up PvE content in favour of the never-ending demand of PvPers to find as many ways as possible to introduce open world PvP.

honestly given how "wildely sucessful" ever MMO would supposedly be if the game just brought in more open PVP you'd think there would be SOME MMO with mass open world PVP that is the secret to it's sucess.

I can't think of any, the top MMOs right now are proably WOW, guild wars 2, FFXIV, SWTOR and ESO,

Of those listed only WoW really has PVP servers (SWTOR has them but they're ghost towns)

I heard tera has open world pvp on some servers, but hated its graphics from first sight. Mobs look awful, armor looks awful (for example, elves dress like low profile criminals with bad style).

BoloBoffin

grom1024 wrote: »

One short question to OP: Does the word 'final' mean that you will stop asking for it after that post?

I get to talk in the thread.

Daemons_Bane

BoloBoffin wrote: »

Forcing players to not do something they don't want to do? If you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime.

Aaaaaaand were back at PvP pov square one -_-

Tavore1138

Hmmmm, tricky... NO!

Arthur_Spoonfondle

BoloBoffin wrote: »

It seems simple now that I've seen it. Make it so people with active bounties can't refuse a duel from a player with an enforcer tabard. The tabard would give the enforcer the ability to see people with bounties (glowing yellow), but if the thief is sneaking, it's subject to detection mechanics. And the enforcer should have a glow and a red hovering eye (similar to NPC lookouts) visible only to thieves with bounties.

If the enforcer spots a thief and gets a duel request off within a certain range (20 meters?), the dual begins with a special Justice flag for the fight area. The thief running from the dual is instant forfeit of all stolen goods to the enforcer. NPC guards can NOT join this dual. If the thief wins, he or she is instantly transported to the nearest refuge. If the enforcer wins, he or she gets the loot and walks away to the enforcer station for the reward.

How about it, ZOS?

When will it finally get through to people like you, that most people do not want to see this happen and it is not going to happen?

BoloBoffin

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

BoloBoffin wrote: »

It seems simple now that I've seen it. Make it so people with active bounties can't refuse a duel from a player with an enforcer tabard. The tabard would give the enforcer the ability to see people with bounties (glowing yellow), but if the thief is sneaking, it's subject to detection mechanics. And the enforcer should have a glow and a red hovering eye (similar to NPC lookouts) visible only to thieves with bounties.

If the enforcer spots a thief and gets a duel request off within a certain range (20 meters?), the dual begins with a special Justice flag for the fight area. The thief running from the dual is instant forfeit of all stolen goods to the enforcer. NPC guards can NOT join this dual. If the thief wins, he or she is instantly transported to the nearest refuge. If the enforcer wins, he or she gets the loot and walks away to the enforcer station for the reward.

How about it, ZOS?

When will it finally get through to people like you, that most people do not want to see this happen and it is not going to happen?

How would what I've proposed be different from the dueling you see now? The only way you'd know it was a Justice duel is a Justice flag for the participants.

Daemons_Bane

Let me just ask this..

BoloBoffin wrote: »

Forcing players to not do something they don't want to do? If you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime.

Is this your best/only argument?

BrianDavion

BoloBoffin wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

BoloBoffin wrote: »

It seems simple now that I've seen it. Make it so people with active bounties can't refuse a duel from a player with an enforcer tabard. The tabard would give the enforcer the ability to see people with bounties (glowing yellow), but if the thief is sneaking, it's subject to detection mechanics. And the enforcer should have a glow and a red hovering eye (similar to NPC lookouts) visible only to thieves with bounties.

If the enforcer spots a thief and gets a duel request off within a certain range (20 meters?), the dual begins with a special Justice flag for the fight area. The thief running from the dual is instant forfeit of all stolen goods to the enforcer. NPC guards can NOT join this dual. If the thief wins, he or she is instantly transported to the nearest refuge. If the enforcer wins, he or she gets the loot and walks away to the enforcer station for the reward.

How about it, ZOS?

When will it finally get through to people like you, that most people do not want to see this happen and it is not going to happen?

How would what I've proposed be different from the dueling you see now? The only way you'd know it was a Justice duel is a Justice flag for the participants.

Maybe because he'd not wanna be greifed? you know damn well PVPtards would run around following anyone they saw crouched in a city. if you want to PVP go to Cyrodil.

Bouldercleave

Just admit it, you want to hang out in Daggerfall and gank newbs.

BoloBoffin

BrianDavion wrote: »

BoloBoffin wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

BoloBoffin wrote: »

It seems simple now that I've seen it. Make it so people with active bounties can't refuse a duel from a player with an enforcer tabard. The tabard would give the enforcer the ability to see people with bounties (glowing yellow), but if the thief is sneaking, it's subject to detection mechanics. And the enforcer should have a glow and a red hovering eye (similar to NPC lookouts) visible only to thieves with bounties.

If the enforcer spots a thief and gets a duel request off within a certain range (20 meters?), the dual begins with a special Justice flag for the fight area. The thief running from the dual is instant forfeit of all stolen goods to the enforcer. NPC guards can NOT join this dual. If the thief wins, he or she is instantly transported to the nearest refuge. If the enforcer wins, he or she gets the loot and walks away to the enforcer station for the reward.

How about it, ZOS?

When will it finally get through to people like you, that most people do not want to see this happen and it is not going to happen?

How would what I've proposed be different from the dueling you see now? The only way you'd know it was a Justice duel is a Justice flag for the participants.

Maybe because he'd not wanna be greifed? you know damn well PVPtards would run around following anyone they saw crouched in a city. if you want to PVP go to Cyrodil.

Perhaps you should have read my proposal. If the thief is sneaking, people with enforcer tabards would have to detect them. I've amended it to say only notorious or fugitive bounties would be challengeable.

But there's a catch - an enforcer could be working with a spotter who's tabard-less. OK, again, the bounty level is what makes a thief challengeable. If an enforcer gets a tip and detects a crouched thief, the bounty would have to be high enough to allow the challenge or there can be no "griefing."

And why not? Added bonus - a thief can spring a duel on an enforcer at any time. If they are in a tabard, the thief can jump them from hiding, initiate a duel, and winning means a free trip back to the closest refuge. Fair is fair.

Daemons_Bane

No matter what you suggest, this discussion keeps hitting the same problem as the hundreds before it.. You are trying to force people into PvP, even though they are doing a PvE activity

Bouldercleave

BoloBoffin wrote: »

BrianDavion wrote: »

BoloBoffin wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

BoloBoffin wrote: »

It seems simple now that I've seen it. Make it so people with active bounties can't refuse a duel from a player with an enforcer tabard. The tabard would give the enforcer the ability to see people with bounties (glowing yellow), but if the thief is sneaking, it's subject to detection mechanics. And the enforcer should have a glow and a red hovering eye (similar to NPC lookouts) visible only to thieves with bounties.

If the enforcer spots a thief and gets a duel request off within a certain range (20 meters?), the dual begins with a special Justice flag for the fight area. The thief running from the dual is instant forfeit of all stolen goods to the enforcer. NPC guards can NOT join this dual. If the thief wins, he or she is instantly transported to the nearest refuge. If the enforcer wins, he or she gets the loot and walks away to the enforcer station for the reward.

How about it, ZOS?

When will it finally get through to people like you, that most people do not want to see this happen and it is not going to happen?

How would what I've proposed be different from the dueling you see now? The only way you'd know it was a Justice duel is a Justice flag for the participants.

Maybe because he'd not wanna be greifed? you know damn well PVPtards would run around following anyone they saw crouched in a city. if you want to PVP go to Cyrodil.

Perhaps you should have read my proposal. If the thief is sneaking, people with enforcer tabards would have to detect them. I've amended it to say only notorious or fugitive bounties would be challengeable.

But there's a catch - an enforcer could be working with a spotter who's tabard-less. OK, again, the bounty level is what makes a thief challengeable. If an enforcer gets a tip and detects a crouched thief, the bounty would have to be high enough to allow the challenge or there can be no "griefing."

And why not? Added bonus - a thief can spring a duel on an enforcer at any time. If they are in a tabard, the thief can jump them from hiding, initiate a duel, and winning means a free trip back to the closest refuge. Fair is fair.

And all this is to be implemented by the same folks that broke the entire EU server on the last patch?

It's honestly a horrible idea that caters to griefers, would be terrible for the community, and could not be executed on a programming level without collapsing the game and potentially imploding the internet - ending life on this planet as we know it.

RAGUNAnoOne

Oh my god will you people just get your butts to cyrodiil and shut up already! You will find all the new players to obliterate you want there! Or are you suggesting this because you can't cut it in a fair fight?

PurifedBladez

This games pvp isn't hardcore enough for a justice system.

Mic1007

Yeah... no thanks. The griefing would reach ridiculous levels severly quickly.

BoloBoffin

Bouldercleave wrote: »

BoloBoffin wrote: »

BrianDavion wrote: »

BoloBoffin wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

BoloBoffin wrote: »

It seems simple now that I've seen it. Make it so people with active bounties can't refuse a duel from a player with an enforcer tabard. The tabard would give the enforcer the ability to see people with bounties (glowing yellow), but if the thief is sneaking, it's subject to detection mechanics. And the enforcer should have a glow and a red hovering eye (similar to NPC lookouts) visible only to thieves with bounties.

If the enforcer spots a thief and gets a duel request off within a certain range (20 meters?), the dual begins with a special Justice flag for the fight area. The thief running from the dual is instant forfeit of all stolen goods to the enforcer. NPC guards can NOT join this dual. If the thief wins, he or she is instantly transported to the nearest refuge. If the enforcer wins, he or she gets the loot and walks away to the enforcer station for the reward.

How about it, ZOS?

When will it finally get through to people like you, that most people do not want to see this happen and it is not going to happen?

How would what I've proposed be different from the dueling you see now? The only way you'd know it was a Justice duel is a Justice flag for the participants.

Maybe because he'd not wanna be greifed? you know damn well PVPtards would run around following anyone they saw crouched in a city. if you want to PVP go to Cyrodil.

Perhaps you should have read my proposal. If the thief is sneaking, people with enforcer tabards would have to detect them. I've amended it to say only notorious or fugitive bounties would be challengeable.

But there's a catch - an enforcer could be working with a spotter who's tabard-less. OK, again, the bounty level is what makes a thief challengeable. If an enforcer gets a tip and detects a crouched thief, the bounty would have to be high enough to allow the challenge or there can be no "griefing."

And why not? Added bonus - a thief can spring a duel on an enforcer at any time. If they are in a tabard, the thief can jump them from hiding, initiate a duel, and winning means a free trip back to the closest refuge. Fair is fair.

And all this is to be implemented by the same folks that broke the entire EU server on the last patch?

It's honestly a horrible idea that caters to griefers, would be terrible for the community, and could not be executed on a programming level without collapsing the game and potentially imploding the internet - ending life on this planet as we know it.

Oh, when you put it that way... ;-)

BoloBoffin

Mic1007 wrote: »

Yeah... no thanks. The griefing would reach ridiculous levels severly quickly.

I do not see how. If it takes at least a notorious level of bounty to even be eligible for a challenge or wearing an enforcer tabard to enable being pounced upon by a thief, then people who are in those states are volunteering for duels. That's all this proposal is saying.