IC Trophy Keys

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

brandonv516 wrote: »

I love PC players being guinea pigs for us console players!

And yet you still have more issues than us

brandonv516

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I love PC players being guinea pigs for us console players!

And yet you still have more issues than us

Yeah can't help it when it goes down like it does, thank you Microsoft and Sony.

Sigtric

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I love PC players being guinea pigs for us console players!

And yet you still have more issues than us

Social skills can't be patched.

/troll face

Saucy_Jack

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

So if the endurance/willpower/agility jewelry drops from the old 60-trophy vaults, and the scathing mage, etc. jewelry does NOT drop from the ICP or WGT 150-trophy vaults, then what exactly is the purpose of opening the 150-trophy vaults anymore?

Unless I'm missing something, in which case, please enlighten me.

Anyone?

maxjapank

brandonv516 wrote: »

I love PC players being guinea pigs for us console players!

lol..it's so not funny that it is! Luckily, I saw a psa about this on eso reddit. But I'm also glad that I can't play till much later today or tomorrow. Get to read all of the mishaps and bugs in advance.

P3ZZL3

Edit: Apologies. Good morning everyone

So @ZOS_GinaBruno - Is there any update for me on this?

DRXHarbinger

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

So if the endurance/willpower/agility jewelry drops from the old 60-trophy vaults, and the scathing mage, etc. jewelry does NOT drop from the ICP or WGT 150-trophy vaults, then what exactly is the purpose of opening the 150-trophy vaults anymore?

Unless I'm missing something, in which case, please enlighten me.

Anyone?

It's not confirmed of they do or not yet. There are 27 drops from the icp chest that we know of. With 2 a pop someone need to splash out a good 30 or so keys to definitively know.

Asardes

Had a few dozen of each of the 8 types of key fragments in inventory. I expected they would be turned to the same generic "key shard" but I checked just after the patch and maybe one of them (probably the Daedric Embers from VWGT by looking at the icon) were converted to "key shards", the rest were just as before - Monstrous Tooth, Planar Armor Scrap etc. From what I understood from the patch notes all should have been converted and merged into one or multiple stacks. Or I got it wrong and just the new drops are "key fragments" leaving the old drops as legacy items with the same utility?

Silver_Strider

Why would you go into a Planar Scrap vault in the 1st place?

That's the real question.

P3ZZL3

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Why would you go into a Planar Scrap vault in the 1st place?

That's the real question.

Start from the bottom, opening ***....moving up to the excitement that would have been having 2 monsters Tooth Chests to open

sickboy2808

They aint changed at all. There still named differently and clogging up my bank space. Another messip

sickboy2808

Messup even. On phone lol

Asardes

I won't even bother them on the IC district vaults since I already have the respective jewelry with sets perfect traits - arcane willpower and robust agility & endurance - I use the latter on my tank with block/bash cost reduction enchants, the other on my magicka and stamina builds with spell or weapon power enchants.. They didn't even drop from IC, but long before I got the DLC, from dungeon bosses; opened each the vaults a couple of times and got mostly trash weapons/shields, and some Xivkyn motifs which are common and cheap as dirt on the guild stores already. I don't need more than one set since I can't play more than one char at a time, so they can share those sets among them.

So I was saving those key fragments just because ZoS promised that all the old sets that only had armor will get fitting jewelry and weapons added in update 12, just like the trial dropped sets got earlier; they made no special exception about IC sets, and that means they ought to have included them too. I wanted to go with all my fragments in VWGT vault and have the chance to find SPC jewelry or restoration staff, or go in VICP vault and find the same for Scathing Mage. Since this isn't the case and ZoS broke their promises, even if just implicitly, I'll just keep the shards until those items are actually added in game. Don't want to waste them on a loot pool from which I already extracted most of the armor pieces with the right traits, and which has lately granted me mostly prosperous and training gear that's worth only the base material, temper and charcoal of remorse that I extract chopping them down.

DPShiro

So does Scathing Mage jewelry exist at all or just not in vaults?

This makes me sad

Silver_Strider

ICP and WGT vaults did not drop jewelry, from my experiences on PTS.
Only the last boss of those dungeons seemed to drop any jewelry for their dungeon's respective sets.

The jewelry exists, just not in the vaults. I feel bad for those people that wasted millions buying those trophy keys to get jewelry.

altemriel

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

This shouldn't be an issue? According to the Patch Notes:

Exploration & Itemization
General

• The treasure vault doors of Imperial City will now accept 60 of any combination of the following:
  • Bloody Claws
  • Daedric Embers
  • Daedric Shackles
  • Dark Ether
  • Key Fragments (previously known as Bone Shards)
  • Mark of the Legion
  • Monstrous Teeth
  • Planar Armor

So regardless of what they may have all turned into, any door should accept any trophy, as long as your total is 60.

From what I understand OP had all of their trophies turn into planar armor keys upon entering the planar trophy vault which caused them to basically waste all their trophy keys on planar keys. So as of right now if you want to enter different vaults you have to only take out 60 trophy keys at a time to ensure all your trophies don't turn into the same thing. An example would be having 300 trophies and entering a vault and having all 300 trophies turn into 5 keys for that specific vault instead of just turning into 1 key and having 240 trophies left over.

wait no, is it not supposed to be like that now, that we will not have more kinds of trophies, but just one kind, that will allow us to open and vault? And all the trophies in our bank/inventory will be converted to this one kind of trophy?

Asardes

Silver_Strider wrote: »

ICP and WGT vaults did not drop jewelry, from my experiences on PTS.
Only the last boss of those dungeons seemed to drop any jewelry for their dungeon's respective sets.

The jewelry exists, just not in the vaults. I feel bad for those people that wasted millions buying those trophy keys to get jewelry.

I will test it today to see if the boss does in deed drop jewelry because probably VICP would be for Ugarlag's pledge - if they kept the same pledge order it should be VICP, VWGT, VRoM, VCoS, repeated every 4 days and yesterday was VCoS. Probably was a misunderstanding from some of the player base, including me, supposing the chest loot table was the complete set table, and not a subset. Regardless, I will still spend those fragments in the dungeon chests, rather than the district ones, because I still need the perfect traits for some armor pieces and some are missing.

GDOFWR420

brandonv516 wrote: »

I love PC players being guinea pigs for us console players!

Right

Cryptical

It was undaunted that all keys are changed into a generic key.

You all are mistakenly combining the undaunted changes and the vault changes.

The vault change was supposed to be the ability to open any vault door with a combination of trophies. Such as having 15 teeth, 15 planar, 30 claws and being able to walk into the dark ether door.

Sounds like it's working as written, but with an unintended consequence that no player noticed over the weeks spent on the play test server.

DPShiro

Asardes wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

ICP and WGT vaults did not drop jewelry, from my experiences on PTS.
Only the last boss of those dungeons seemed to drop any jewelry for their dungeon's respective sets.

The jewelry exists, just not in the vaults. I feel bad for those people that wasted millions buying those trophy keys to get jewelry.

I will test it today to see if the boss does in deed drop jewelry because probably VICP would be for Ugarlag's pledge - if they kept the same pledge order it should be VICP, VWGT, VRoM, VCoS, repeated every 4 days and yesterday was VCoS. Probably was a misunderstanding from some of the player base, including me, supposing the chest loot table was the complete set table, and not a subset. Regardless, I will still spend those fragments in the dungeon chests, rather than the district ones, because I still need the perfect traits for some armor pieces and some are missing.

Please post your findings here!
Also is it possible for boss to drop gold jewelry on hard mode?

altemriel

Cryptical wrote: »

It was undaunted that all keys are changed into a generic key.

You all are mistakenly combining the undaunted changes and the vault changes.

The vault change was supposed to be the ability to open any vault door with a combination of trophies. Such as having 15 teeth, 15 planar, 30 claws and being able to walk into the dark ether door.

Sounds like it's working as written, but with an unintended consequence that no player noticed over the weeks spent on the play test server.

oh, you are right!!! my mistake!!

Dubhliam

A quick workaround would be to split your keys in groups of 60 and put them on sale, then immediately withdraw them.
This way, when you go to a vault, you can simply withdraw them from the mail instead of having to go all the way back to the bank.

The only issue are the WGT and ICP trophies. Those can't be sold.
Meaning you need to first spend all your Daedric Shackles and Burning Embers.

Dubhliam

ZOS should really consider adding some trophy merchants in the game.

If the merchant sold specific Vault keys, there would be no automatic transformation of trophies.

Asardes

If all key fragments function the same now, and can open vault door in any combination, why still have 8 kinds? It's awfully redundant. That's the reason I, as well as other players, thought they will merge them into just one, so they stack up more efficiently in your inventory and don't take as much space as they do now.

DPShiro wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

ICP and WGT vaults did not drop jewelry, from my experiences on PTS.
Only the last boss of those dungeons seemed to drop any jewelry for their dungeon's respective sets.

The jewelry exists, just not in the vaults. I feel bad for those people that wasted millions buying those trophy keys to get jewelry.

I will test it today to see if the boss does in deed drop jewelry because probably VICP would be for Ugarlag's pledge - if they kept the same pledge order it should be VICP, VWGT, VRoM, VCoS, repeated every 4 days and yesterday was VCoS. Probably was a misunderstanding from some of the player base, including me, supposing the chest loot table was the complete set table, and not a subset. Regardless, I will still spend those fragments in the dungeon chests, rather than the district ones, because I still need the perfect traits for some armor pieces and some are missing.

Please post your findings here!
Also is it possible for boss to drop gold jewelry on hard mode?

No, the patch notes only mention trial bosses as source for gold jewelry, not dungeon ones. They will be available from the khajiit vendor in Cyrodiil for 250K gold/500K AP a piece, in random order, just like the monster heads though. I will test though just in case, as the IC dungeon ones are doable on hard mode with most groups, unlike the ones in SotH. Did those on hard mode just the first time I went in the dungeon, for the achievement. And that was with a very strong, very experienced, full CP group, but nevertheless was brutal - we wiped like 20 times until we managed to do it, for each of the bosses. It's totally not worth doing that just for the keys, especially now when you can run easy dungeons like veteran Wayrest II on your alts for 2 keys in less time it takes to wipe and retry Velidreth until you succeed, not to mention the sheer frustration and the repair costs associated with the latter. From my experience average groups from guild/zone chat are barely able to beat the veteran without the hard mode, even with BiS gear and full CP. And even if Velidreth dropped gold jewelry on hard mode that would be hardly worth it, as the difference in stats between purple and gold is a few dozen points, within 0.5% overall char stats.

Cryptical

Why didn't they swap the keys?

Remember, one of the big reasons to limit the number of changes you make at one time is to limit the number of ways something can go wrong.

They were already doing a complete category exchange of items, in the form of the undaunted keys, as well as introducing dozens of new items as well as massive changes to the overworld itself. There comes a point where the plate is full, the number of hours left in the day in zero, where there is no room on the whiteboard for any other projects.

They'll get to the bottom of it, I'm sure. In the meantime, do the list/mail thing so they are offloaded out of the inventory when you go to a vault.

P3ZZL3

Bit late now though for me

Hoping @ZOS_GinaBruno can advise or maybe help

Transairion

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

So, I have about 150 of each key - it converted the Bone Shards to some new key. I went into the Planer room, to use them first, and it converted everything to that? Everything was absolute crap.

Not impressed. I assume this is not working as intended? All my Dark Ethers, Bone Shards, Monsters tooths, the lot, wasted and crap agility stuff... I was forced to used everything in Planer Scraps chest room

@ZOS_GinaBruno What's up with that?

This isn't a bug, this is how the Trophy Rooms have always worked.

If you go inside a vault with 1000 fragments AS MANY AS POSSIBLE will get converted into keys for that vault: if you go into a Imperial City Vault with 600 fragments, you're getting 10 keys. Whether or not you wanted 10 of the same key is irrelevant, you brought them to the vault so the game assumes you want keys.

Under the old system, there were different fragments for different vaults which is why you couldn't accidently covert stuff (since if you took all your fragments, 3/4 would be invalid for that specific vault).

Update 12 changed it so ALL fragments work in ALL vaults, so when you brought your haul of 150 per key to a single vault they ALL got converted to that kind of key. Any fragments you bring to ANY vault from now on will covert until it runs out of stuff it can covert. If you only want X keys, you have to only bring X fragments.


No bug, you just missed the Patch Note where all keys work for all vaults and got a bunch of duplicate keys when you brought your entire stockpile to one vault. It's unfortunate, but now you know!

Cryptical

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Bit late now though for me

Hoping @ZOS_GinaBruno can advise or maybe help

Well, tough message here, but it's not like you're going to suffer real world hardship over it. Accepting that mistakes do happen and will be fixed as soon as possible, and being gracious about it, makes the whole experience far less unpleasant.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

Yeah. Happened to me in the ICP vault, only to discover that jewelry doesn't drop from the ICP treasure vault...

Seriously sad panda.

nah, of course it does drop from there!!!

see patch notes:
Agility, Willpower, and Endurance sets no longer drop from dungeon bosses. They are now rewarded upon completing a random dungeon using the Grouping Tool.
Note: These sets can still be found in the Cache chests in Imperial City.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294849/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-6-4-update-12-one-tamriel#latest

I think he was referring to jewelry for the sets that drop in ICP. I could be wrong though.

Agreed, I think what most people are wanting to test is scathing Jewelry, but I could be wrong. If it doesnt drop from vaults, than it looks like its a final ICP boss grind.

Beardimus

This surely can't be right. Why wouldn't it work that if I had 200 trophies, ran in a room, did a chest and left that I would have 140 that I could take to any other room.

It's properly odd if they all get forces to the first set you try?!?!