False Emperors

Stanko

I have played ESO since launch. For the past few months, I have mostly played on Haderus and I have ALWAYS played as EP. I have a lot of PVP experience and I work to organize the swarm of EP pugs through my main guild, M4D.

Yesterday for the first time ever, I crossed faction lines and used my vet-level DC toon to fight and dethrone an EP Emperor. I was one of twelve apostles of doom in the Legion of Mordor raid that spearheaded the DC assault. No EP force could stand in our path. By 2AM EST, a DC emperor was crowned.

Why you may ask, would I perform such a blasphemous deed? Quite simply, I am tired of False Emperors. I am tired of cheaters with 313cp who subvert the obvious intent of the game. They AP farm their way to the top of the leaderboard (yes, we know exactly what you are doing) and don't contribute anything to the camaraderie that develops among those of us who truly love PVP and fight the battles. They are the people who somehow feel that they are entitled, when they really haven't come close to earning the privilege of wearing the regalia. Quite simply, they are the annoying people who somehow feel that we all play this game for their benefit.

To limit this farce in the future, I propose the following two additional conditions upon Emperorship (in vet-level campaigns).

1) You MUST have maximum CP to qualify as Emperor. The Emperor should be a fearsome force, not some whelp with purple gear.

2) You MUST have achieved the rank of Tribune or higher in the Alliance Wars. It's pathetic that some Emperors barely even know how to use siege, never-mind the strategy and tactics required to properly lead a faction.

Until these measures are enacted, I will continue to cross faction lines and actively work to dethrone the cheaters. I encourage others to do the same. We as a PVP community deserve better. For now, this is the only way.

Stratforge

Stanko wrote: »

I have played ESO since launch. For the past few months, I have mostly played on Haderus and I have ALWAYS played as EP. I have a lot of PVP experience and I work to organize the swarm of EP pugs through my main guild, M4D.

Yesterday for the first time ever, I crossed faction lines and used my vet-level DC toon to fight and dethrone an EP Emperor. I was one of twelve apostles of doom in the Legion of Mordor raid that spearheaded the DC assault. No EP force could stand in our path. By 2AM EST, a DC emperor was crowned.

Why you may ask, would I perform such a blasphemous deed? Quite simply, I am tired of False Emperors. I am tired of cheaters with 313cp who subvert the obvious intent of the game. They AP farm their way to the top of the leaderboard (yes, we know exactly what you are doing) and don't contribute anything to the camaraderie that develops among those of us who truly love PVP and fight the battles. They are the people who somehow feel that they are entitled, when they really haven't come close to earning the privilege of wearing the regalia. Quite simply, they are the annoying people who somehow feel that we all play this game for their benefit.

To limit this farce in the future, I propose the following two additional conditions upon Emperorship (in vet-level campaigns).

1) You MUST have maximum CP to qualify as Emperor. The Emperor should be a fearsome force, not some whelp with purple gear.

2) You MUST have achieved the rank of Tribune or higher in the Alliance Wars. It's pathetic that some Emperors barely even know how to use siege, never-mind the strategy and tactics required to properly lead a faction.

Until these measures are enacted, I will continue to cross faction lines and actively work to dethrone the cheaters. I encourage others to do the same. We as a PVP community deserve better. For now, this is the only way.

lmao these ideas are so bad

LeifErickson

Tribune? I feel like I have been playing my main forever and I don't even have a moon rank yet.

BrosidenTheKing

It's a two-way street, my friend. DC has plenty of false emperors all the same. Here's a nice video of one such DC group. Crowning emperor will always have players trying to circumvent in-game mechanics. So is life.
[SNIP]

Edited for Profanity

susmitds

To me it seems, your ego was bruised that a 313 CP player got Emperor with low Alliance rank than you. I have seen low CP players wrecking high CP players in PvP. Low CP hardly means low experience. There are several players, who keep rerolling their characters to play non-vet campaigns. Some of these players have been playing since beta but are yet to hit cap. But they are far more skilled than the average player in vet campaigns as generally non-vet campaigns limit your stats and builds hugely and you are forced to use non-meta builds. When they finally move to vet campaigns, they can wreck people for easy AP.

zuto40

i think a rank limit for emp makes sense, what army would ever want some sergeant as emp or even a veteran

Ackwalan

What bothers me about fake emps, is when they and their guild will camp the last emp keep while the entire map, scrolls and campaign is lost.

Alucardo

Good luck trying to get emp in BwB with these ridiculous requirements boys

Totalitarian

zuto40 wrote: »

i think a rank limit for emp makes sense, what army would ever want some sergeant as emp or even a veteran

I'm afraid that that would mean that Emperor would always go to the highest ranking person on the faction, if we're looking for realism.

In martial law, the highest ranking officer usually has authoritarian power over the area they were assigned to lead. This sounds remarkably close to Emperorship.

IxSTALKERxI

It's not easy to get emp, atleast not on a competitive campaign or one where your faction doesn't have the numbers. Haderus might be a bit different in off peak times.

Anyways, don't see what the big deal is. If he made more points then everyone else and his faction was strong enough to cap the keeps then good for him. If he is in a guild that contributed to capping the inner keeps then that is even better, otherwise that guild might of pushed a different objective instead. If you really have a problem with it get a guildy to outfarm him in AP and crown them, although tbh emperor in the current meta is pretty overrated. Gives a nice health bonus to everyone though, and your faction will earn more points on the scoreboard from holding more keeps for a short time.

Alucardo

How's this for corrupt. Ever been bribed to leave your home campaign before?

IxSTALKERxI

Alucardo wrote: »

How's this for corrupt. Ever been bribed to leave your home campaign before?

lol yeah I've been offered 50k to leave BWB before.

Alucardo

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

How's this for corrupt. Ever been bribed to leave your home campaign before?

lol yeah I've been offered 50k to leave BWB before.

Did you take it? =D

Pepper8Jack

Stanko wrote: »

I have played ESO since launch. For the past few months, I have mostly played on Haderus and I have ALWAYS played as EP. I have a lot of PVP experience and I work to organize the swarm of EP pugs through my main guild, M4D.

Yesterday for the first time ever, I crossed faction lines and used my vet-level DC toon to fight and dethrone an EP Emperor. I was one of twelve apostles of doom in the Legion of Mordor raid that spearheaded the DC assault. No EP force could stand in our path. By 2AM EST, a DC emperor was crowned.

Why you may ask, would I perform such a blasphemous deed? Quite simply, I am tired of False Emperors. I am tired of cheaters with 313cp who subvert the obvious intent of the game. They AP farm their way to the top of the leaderboard (yes, we know exactly what you are doing) and don't contribute anything to the camaraderie that develops among those of us who truly love PVP and fight the battles. They are the people who somehow feel that they are entitled, when they really haven't come close to earning the privilege of wearing the regalia. Quite simply, they are the annoying people who somehow feel that we all play this game for their benefit.

To limit this farce in the future, I propose the following two additional conditions upon Emperorship (in vet-level campaigns).

1) You MUST have maximum CP to qualify as Emperor. The Emperor should be a fearsome force, not some whelp with purple gear.

2) You MUST have achieved the rank of Tribune or higher in the Alliance Wars. It's pathetic that some Emperors barely even know how to use siege, never-mind the strategy and tactics required to properly lead a faction.

Until these measures are enacted, I will continue to cross faction lines and actively work to dethrone the cheaters. I encourage others to do the same. We as a PVP community deserve better. For now, this is the only way.

Both of these requirements are quite elitist, and this is coming from someone is who is well beyond the CP cap and a Former Emperor.

While I don't approve of the ability to AP farm your way to Emperorship, and firmly believe that doing so undermines the entire purpose of the title and achievement, preventing people from trying to legitimately strive for this goal on the basis that they haven't farmed enough AP and experience directly defeats the purpose of the restrictions you're attempting to impose.

Does the Emperorship system need to be reevaluated? Yes. Is this the way to fix it? Absolutely not.

IxSTALKERxI

Alucardo wrote: »

Did you take it? =D

nah, I spent a few hundred k making yellow lvl 40 gear and getting lvl 40 IC jewlery and invested time. I have abdicated several times for people though, because I wanted to and not for money lol. Although I do think it's fair to give someone your end of campaign rewards if they abdicate for you close to the end of a campaign.

Rohamad_Ali

BrosidenTheKing wrote: »

It's a two-way street, my friend. DC has plenty of false emperors all the same. Here's a nice video of one such DC group. Crowning emperor will always have players trying to circumvent in-game mechanics. So is life.
[SNIP]

There is so much going on in this video , So wow . Good tower farm . Good team work . The chat arguing got confusing and left me wanting to get back to watching the fight . Like the Spartan cut scenes just the other stuff made it tedious for me not knowing what's going down on .

Morostyle

How about... you learn to outfarm the so called AP farming no0b? lol

MalakithAlamahdi

I have to disagree on both ideas. With the rank the problem is that it's character based, so my main is high level while all my adds are still low. I don't see a reason why I can't be crowned emp on them. It also doesn't depict skill as I've insta killed people on my templar that were 10 ranks higher then me.

Cp wise it also doesn't make sense. Emp gives you enough buffs to be effective, having max cp or not. Comes by, I know very good players that had been off the game for a little and are not 100cp under the cap because of it, this again is unimportant. Ivr played against plenty of bad max cp players which did worse then someone with just 200.

outsideworld76

Well... the main priority should be to fix the lag.

PrinceFabious

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

How's this for corrupt. Ever been bribed to leave your home campaign before?

lol yeah I've been offered 50k to leave BWB before.

I was offered 200k to stop farming AP in Haderus one time. I took the money and ran my happy ass to the tempering alloy bank!

Alucardo

PrinceFabious wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

How's this for corrupt. Ever been bribed to leave your home campaign before?

lol yeah I've been offered 50k to leave BWB before.

I was offered 200k to stop farming AP in Haderus one time. I took the money and ran my happy ass to the tempering alloy bank!

And they say you can't make money in PVP

donJay

Guild of Shadows asked me to pay 500k gold to have them push my emp.

Kaghei

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

It's not easy to get emp, atleast not on a competitive campaign or one where your faction doesn't have the numbers. Haderus might be a bit different in off peak times.

Anyways, don't see what the big deal is. If he made more points then everyone else and his faction was strong enough to cap the keeps then good for him. If he is in a guild that contributed to capping the inner keeps then that is even better, otherwise that guild might of pushed a different objective instead. If you really have a problem with it get a guildy to outfarm him in AP and crown them, although tbh emperor in the current meta is pretty overrated. Gives a nice health bonus to everyone though, and your faction will earn more points on the scoreboard from holding more keeps for a short time.

I was up for 40 hours straight during my emperorship.
Limiting it to 531 cp players would be a bad decision in my opinion. The next patch looks to bring so many former players and former emps back. it would be stupid if they couldnt push for emp

BurritoESO

Lol CP and rank have nothing to do with skill... *cough* Lothar Wolf, Methuselah *cough*
Bad ideas from the OP

Minno

Better idea is to remove emp and replace with a detailed point system/leaderboards for actual competitive pvp.

But that can only happen after class balance, and if ZoS is willing to put in the work.

Minno

Kas wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Stanko, I agree with you 100% that these false emperors are a joke. But dont go on the forums bragging about LoM Success of crowning EMP at 2am. Heres a fight we had with them 4v20ish
<vid excluded>

wow, that was probably the most annoying pvp video ever. maybe it's just because I don't know any of those NA guys but with all those interruptions, i barely made 30% before i had to close the vid. impossible to watch

Us Americans love our reality TV drama lol.

MalakithAlamahdi

Minno wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Stanko, I agree with you 100% that these false emperors are a joke. But dont go on the forums bragging about LoM Success of crowning EMP at 2am. Heres a fight we had with them 4v20ish
<vid excluded>

wow, that was probably the most annoying pvp video ever. maybe it's just because I don't know any of those NA guys but with all those interruptions, i barely made 30% before i had to close the vid. impossible to watch

Us Americans love our reality TV drama lol.

I can't even stand the news in America, to much loud music and overly excited. :P

Ghostbane

donJay wrote: »

Guild of Shadows asked me to pay 500k gold to have them push my emp.

Sheet. I'd have done it on my own for 50k.

Humphie

Ghostbane wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

Guild of Shadows asked me to pay 500k gold to have them push my emp.

Sheet. I'd have done it on my own for 50k.

Make me emp Bae, I pay you nothing!

Alucardo

What annoys me the most is, Haderus was my home for the longest time. I played in that campaign as a regular probably longer than most who have been there. I never got emperor, and I'm alright with that. What I wasn't ok with was these trash guilds that come by, break down and repair walls, get emp and then leave again.
When I refuse to leave the campaign because they wanted emp they would feed each other by logging enemy factions and surpass the AP I got by actually playing properly.
The system is faulty and definitely needs looking at.

Sandman929

Emp doesn't mean anything. I'd like it change, but I don't know of a way that isn't open to the same backdooring as the current system, so I've just made my peace and decided to not care about it.
Can anyone think of any method of ranking that isn't exploitable? If ZOS policed their own game it'd be a different story.