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A public apology? Really?
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »
I'm not even going to lie, Nicki Minaj can get the business. No shame either.
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craftycarper73✭✭✭✭✭i had to read the players comment to see what the fuss was about, and im sorry but i agree with the O/P.
and before anyone trys to bash me about being insensitive, then consider this.
my aunty lost her son, my cousin, in afghan 9 yrs ago fighting for his country, 5 years later she couldnt cope any longer, and ended her own life, leaving behind 2 other children, all grown up with there own lives, but still her children none the less.
at the time there was nothing but anger and disgust at what she did, doesnt mean we dont miss her, and we werent upset, of course we were but it was a cowardly act and cowardly way out.
she did the deed by saying nothing to no one, no one had a clue, people who want to commit suicide and mean it, dont say a word, they just do it, people who let it be known, want to be stopped, a cry for help if you like.
so from experience, the o/p is correct in his comment he made.
in respect of the guildmaster..
who made you god? who gives you the divine right to demand an apology? if you get that offended, i take it you dont go outside or watch tv in the case the material you hear or see offends you? as someone else said previous, offence is taken its never given. Time to grow up mate.Born, Bred & Made in Manchester UK, RIP 22 Angels. 22/05/2017
PC-EU
The Place by Tony Walsh Please ReadThis is the place in the North West of England
It’s ace, it’s the best and the songs that we sing
From the stands, from our bands set the whole planet shaking
Our inventions are legends! There’s nowt we can’t make and
So we make brilliant music. We make brilliant bands
We make goals that make souls leap from seats in the stands
And we make things from steel and we make things from cotton
And we make people laugh, take the mick summat rotten
And we make you at home and we make you feel welcome
And we make summat happen, we can’t seem to help it
And if you’re looking for history then yes, we’ve a wealth
But the Manchester way is to make it yourself
And make us a record, a new number one
And make us a brew while you’re up, love. Go on!
And make us feel proud that you’re winning the league
And make us sing louder and make us believe it
that this is the place that has helped shape the world
And that this the place where a Manchester girl
Name of Emmeline Pankhurst from the streets of Moss Side
Led a Suffragette City with sisterhood pride
And this is the place with appliance of science
We’re on it, atomic, we strut with defiance
In the face of a challenge we always stand tall
Mancunians in union delivered it all
Such as housing and libraries, and health, education
And unions and co-ops, the first railway station
So we’re sorry! Bear with us! We invented commuters!
But we hope you forgive us – we invented computers!
And this is the place Henry Royce strolled with Rolls
And we’ve rocked and we’ve rolled with our own Northern Soul
And so this is the place to do business, then dance
Where go-getters and goal setters know they’ve a chance
And this is the place where we first played as kids
And me Mam lived and died here, she loved it she did
And this is the place where our folks came to work
Where they struggled in puddles, they hurt in the dirt
And they built us a city. They built us these towns
And they coughed on the cobbles to the deafening sound
Of the steaming machines and the screaming of slaves
They were scheming for greatness, they dreamed to their graves
And they left us a spirit, they left us a vibe
The Mancunian Way to survive and to thrive
And to work and to build, to connect and create and
Greater Manchester’s greatness is keeping it great
And so this is the place now we’ve kids of our own
Some are born here, some drawn here but we all call it home
And they’ve covered the cobbles, but they’ll never defeat
All the dreamers and schemers who still teem through these streets
Because this is a place that has been through some hard times
Oppressions, recessions, depressions and dark times
But we keep fighting back with Greater Manchester spirit
Northern grit, northern wit in Greater Manchester’s lyrics
And there’s hard times again in these streets of our city
But we won’t take defeat and we don’t want your pity
Because this a place where we stand strong together
With a smile on our face, Mancunians Forever
And we’ve got this* as the place where a team with a dream (*Forever Manchester)
Can get funding and something to help with their scheme
Because this is the place that understands your grand plans
We don’t do No Can Do, we just stress Yes We Can!
Forever Manchester’s a charity for people round ‘ere
You can fundraise, donate. You can be a volunteer
You can live local, give local. We can honestly say
We do charity differently, that Mancunian Way
And we fund local kids, and we fund local teams
We support local dreamers to work for their dreams
We support local groups and the great work they do
So can you …help us help… local people like you?
Because this is the place in our hearts, in our homes
Because this is the place that’s a part of our bones
‘Cos Greater Manchester gives us such strength from the fact
That this is the place. We should give something back.
Always remember. Never forget. Forever Manchester.4 -
FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭Honest guys just leave the guild kick e1team fine and Zolexi stand with his/her decision fine stop make a big deal about both of you the most grown up would be just leave at that serious just move along.
If you guys want drama go and watch so reality tv shows instead and go back to play ESO instead of sit here on forum wasting good ESO play time
But at times the forums provide better entertainment then the actual game. Also some of us have two or more monitors. So playing ESO while typing on the forums, and watching Netflix at the same time. Is not a issue at all. 2 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just read the cap to my Snapple bottle-
Termites eat through wood twice as fast listening to rock music,I think that deserves some thought for a moment.
Take 5 and ponder that.4 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Honest guys just leave the guild kick e1team fine and Zolexi stand with his/her decision fine stop make a big deal about both of you the most grown up would be just leave at that serious just move along.
If you guys want drama go and watch so reality tv shows instead and go back to play ESO instead of sit here on forum wasting good ESO play time
But at times the forums provide better entertainment then the actual game. Also some of us have two or more monitors. So playing ESO while typing on the forums, and watching Netflix at the same time. Is not a issue at all.
Lol. The forums here be lit af sometimes, but other times very — cruel and toxic. I prefer to be active when everything is casual and chill, but "spiced-up" with "controversial" topics booming.Edited by Ch4mpTW on September 11, 2016 9:22AM0 -
Zolexi✭✭✭craftycarper73 wrote: »i had to read the players comment to see what the fuss was about, and im sorry but i agree with the O/P.
and before anyone trys to bash me about being insensitive, then consider this.
my aunty lost her son, my cousin, in afghan 9 yrs ago fighting for his country, 5 years later she couldnt cope any longer, and ended her own life, leaving behind 2 other children, all grown up with there own lives, but still her children none the less.
at the time there was nothing but anger and disgust at what she did, doesnt mean we dont miss her, and we werent upset, of course we were but it was a cowardly act and cowardly way out.
she did the deed by saying nothing to no one, no one had a clue, people who want to commit suicide and mean it, dont say a word, they just do it, people who let it be known, want to be stopped, a cry for help if you like.
so from experience, the o/p is correct in his comment he made.
in respect of the guildmaster..
who made you god? who gives you the divine right to demand an apology? if you get that offended, i take it you dont go outside or watch tv in the case the material you hear or see offends you? as someone else said previous, offence is taken its never given. Time to grow up mate.
I already said I was wrong for that."I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes"...0 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think the problem here is that the OP confuses his right to have an opinion with a duty to express it at the most inappropriate times as well as some non-existent right to express it without consequence (apparently a wide spread problem all over the internet).
Well he got consequences and is now having a bit of a cry about it - I would hope maybe a lesson had been learned but it appears not.
Mind you give the number of other tasteless fools that chimed in on that thread he may not be alone. Quite a few people who seemed to think that hiding behind an online identity and calling someone in pain a coward was not possibly one of the most cowardly thing anyone can do as well as being a deliberate and cruel attempt to add more pain should that person then have read that thread.
If they'd have been in my guild I may done the same but I would not have bothered requesting the apology.
This is a global game an views vary on suicide & death in general depending on culture, religion and individual experience - is it really so hard to just think for 5 seconds and say to yourself "maybe I disagree here but maybe now is not the best time to troll a thread".?GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
Legio Mortuum13 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Straight-forwardness and sensitive nature are on opposite sides of the personality table. None of them decides whether a person is good or bad. Freedom of speech and expression is increasingly turning out to be hypocritical in nature, where people pretend to be liberal but hate it when someone expresses an opinion which they dislike, which is something I realized the hard way. I am not even twenty five but I have been disowned by my family but for pretty much expressing the same opinion as OP in a similar case in my (former) family. No matter how bad the situations is, if you do something, you are the only one responsible for that. And that includes suicide. Speaking the harsh truth is a personality trait and there is nothing wrong in that. As for OP, you shouldn't even be bothered by the fact that you were kicked. Why bother staying in a guild where you are not wanted.2 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tavore1138 wrote: »I think the problem here is that the OP confuses his right to have an opinion with a duty to express it at the most inappropriate times as well as some non-existent right to express it without consequence (apparently a wide spread problem all over the internet).
Well he got consequences and is now having a bit of a cry about it - I would hope maybe a lesson had been learned but it appears not.
Mind you give the number of other tasteless fools that chimed in on that thread he may not be alone. Quite a few people who seemed to think that hiding behind an online identity and calling someone in pain a coward was not possibly one of the most cowardly thing anyone can do as well as being a deliberate and cruel attempt to add more pain should that person then have read that thread.
If they'd have been in my guild I may done the same but I would not have bothered requesting the apology.
This is a global game an views vary on suicide & death in general depending on culture, religion and individual experience - is it really so hard to just think for 5 seconds and say to yourself "maybe I disagree here but maybe now is not the best time to troll a thread".?
WTF did I just read, bruh? You, OP, or anyone has the right to feel however they want to feel. And express it however they feel like. It doesn't matter if: You, me, Raheem and Tyrone down the street, etc. don't like it. N'ah. It's their opinion. And I'm not saying there won't be consequences for voicing said opinions, but still. Whether or not the consequences matter to the person stating their opinion is a topic for another time, but still. People can say what they want to say. And if it breaks a law or rule of something, then so be it. Let consequences have at it. But, the key point remains that at the end of the day — people can voice their opinion(s) whenever they feel like it. It's their right to.
Lol. "Tasteless fools". Bruh, are you serious? For voicing how they feel about a topic (regardless of how serious the topic may be) on the Internet??? What?
You should come chill with me in New York, bruh. And after observing such a diverse and opinionated population of all classes of people, see if your statement is worth it's weight of gold. 2 -
BrianDavion✭✭✭✭Straight-forwardness and sensitive nature are on opposite sides of the personality table. None of them decides whether a person is good or bad. Freedom of speech and expression is increasingly turning out to be hypocritical in nature, where people pretend to be liberal but hate it when someone expresses an opinion which they dislike, which is something I realized the hard way. I am not even twenty five but I have been disowned by my family but for pretty much expressing the same opinion as OP in a similar case in my (former) family. No matter how bad the situations is, if you do something, you are the only one responsible for that. And that includes suicide. Speaking the harsh truth is a personality trait and there is nothing wrong in that. As for OP, you shouldn't even be bothered by the fact that you were kicked. Why bother staying in a guild where you are not wanted.
a guilds allowed to have it's own rules in that regard, someone spewing commentary on tbe forums that makes them look bad, I might not want em in my guild eaither as it could reflect poorly on the guild as a whoile. that is, the guild leaders choice. everyone whose run a guild for any length of time has been put in that position.3 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BrianDavion wrote: »Straight-forwardness and sensitive nature are on opposite sides of the personality table. None of them decides whether a person is good or bad. Freedom of speech and expression is increasingly turning out to be hypocritical in nature, where people pretend to be liberal but hate it when someone expresses an opinion which they dislike, which is something I realized the hard way. I am not even twenty five but I have been disowned by my family but for pretty much expressing the same opinion as OP in a similar case in my (former) family. No matter how bad the situations is, if you do something, you are the only one responsible for that. And that includes suicide. Speaking the harsh truth is a personality trait and there is nothing wrong in that. As for OP, you shouldn't even be bothered by the fact that you were kicked. Why bother staying in a guild where you are not wanted.
a guilds allowed to have it's own rules in that regard, someone spewing commentary on tbe forums that makes them look bad, I might not want em in my guild eaither as it could reflect poorly on the guild as a whoile. that is, the guild leaders choice. everyone whose run a guild for any length of time has been put in that position.
I agree with that.1 -
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Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
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@Zolexi See here is the thing, someone in your guild probably laughed at the joke, and then probably someone like yourself hated the jokeI have to say I am swayed.
I shouldn't have asked you to say sorry for being insensitive, that being said,
I still stand by my decision that someone with those sorts of disgusting and neanderthalic views isn't right for us.
This thread has done nothing but create more bad blood between a lot of people for a few different reasons. This wasn't the intention of my choice. This topic has also once again brought suicide into the spot light, this isn't the place to discuss these things, and if someone reading has been adversely affected I can only apologise.
The thing with running a guild, you should only enforce rules in game, if people are making suicide jokes in guild that can be seen as bad taste as it is going to directly affect your guild in game, and then you proceed to silence them or something in the guild or if the worst happens, remove them.
I guess this is something to learn, because you removed him based on something he said on the forums, the forums don't make up population you see in game, and another thing, I still don't even know what guild this guy is in or what guild you run. Lesson learnt I guess, if anything I would give this guy a warning, let him back in the guild, keep all dark jokes out of game back do whatever you want, if he keeps doing it on the forums ZOS will remove his posting rights anyway.#MOREORBS1 -
Dark_Claw✭✭✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »
I'm not even going to lie, Nicki Minaj can get the business. No shame either.
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raidentenshu_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Is this the post that everyone is making a fuss over? https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3344799/#Comment_3344799
To be honest I thought it was going to be far harsh and severe. I completely disagree with e1team on the suicide topic, but I'm not going to send him to the flaming torch death over it.
What e1team did was to show his complete and utter ignorance about the truth of mental illness, and what people have to deal with on a regular basic. The people who liked his post also showed their ignorance, but unfortunately we will never get to see who liked his post due to the anonymity.
e1team, Let me give you some education about the reality of suicide. This is coming from personal experience and someone who suffers from mental illness. We do not choose to be this emotional. Something happen in our brains to cause us to have strong emotional feelings. It could be a chemical imbalance or something else. I've tried every medication on the market to try to help me with my depression, but it only made it worst, and not better. I realize a few years ago that my body started rejecting an anti anxiety medication (Xanax/Ativan - benzodiazepines). This drug was once my friend now my arch enemy. This drug caused me to have strong suicidal feelings. All I could think of is how to kill myself. I've spent close to 3 days curled up into a fetal position on my floor fighting the impulsiveness of death and self destruction. I do not consider myself to be weak or stupid. I was drove to become suicidal due to a severe allergic reaction caused by the drug. This is common issue with anti depression drugs as well. Please look at the blackbox warning on an anti depression drug and you'll clearly see that sometimes it can cause someone to become suicidal. If you don't mind please read this article that the FDA released to the public.
http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/InformationbyDrugClass/ucm096273.htm
also please read this article http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/child-and-adolescent-mental-health/antidepressant-medications-for-children-and-adolescents-information-for-parents-and-caregivers.shtml
Please read this popular story about woman who choose to commit suicide to avoid going through a painful process of having terminal brain cancer.
http://www.lifenews.com/2014/11/02/brittany-maynard-the-29-year-old-with-brain-cancer-has-reportedly-killed-herself/
As for the concern OP that wanted to bring ZoS attention about a suicidal player. We don't know what was going on with the player. Maybe he is also experiencing a drug effect? Maybe hes experiencing tragedy in his life like a loss of a love one? Who knows. Suicide is not weak. Please educate yourself on the issue.7 -
Lumbermill_Emperor✭✭✭✭Damn, bruh-bruh. Exposed like a Kim Kardashian or Paris Hilton DVD. If I were you, OP? I'd just keep strolling, and let the haters hate. I wouldn't apologize for jack squat. Everyone has a right to an opinion. Everyone. And if people dislike it, that's fine. But, if they want to be so immature as to remove you from a guild for your opinion(s), AND try and chump you by trying to make you apologize for giving your opinion? I say you don't need them to begin with.
Agreed,
its defenitly a Guild i dont want to be part of.
And i will also avoid buying from a Guild Trader with that name.
tell me the guild name
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OrphanHelgen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its also childish to not respect guild rules.
No one force you to be in a guild either, but if you chose to be, then follow their rules.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
Finally a reason not to play League of Legends3 -
Lumbermill_Emperor✭✭✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »Its also childish to not respect guild rules.
No one force you to be in a guild either, but if you chose to be, then follow their rules.
@OrphanHelgen lol?
RTFM
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craftycarper73✭✭✭✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »Its also childish to not respect guild rules.
No one force you to be in a guild either, but if you chose to be, then follow their rules.
i also doubt the guild rules included No discussing or mentioning suicide..Born, Bred & Made in Manchester UK, RIP 22 Angels. 22/05/2017
PC-EU
The Place by Tony Walsh Please ReadThis is the place in the North West of England
It’s ace, it’s the best and the songs that we sing
From the stands, from our bands set the whole planet shaking
Our inventions are legends! There’s nowt we can’t make and
So we make brilliant music. We make brilliant bands
We make goals that make souls leap from seats in the stands
And we make things from steel and we make things from cotton
And we make people laugh, take the mick summat rotten
And we make you at home and we make you feel welcome
And we make summat happen, we can’t seem to help it
And if you’re looking for history then yes, we’ve a wealth
But the Manchester way is to make it yourself
And make us a record, a new number one
And make us a brew while you’re up, love. Go on!
And make us feel proud that you’re winning the league
And make us sing louder and make us believe it
that this is the place that has helped shape the world
And that this the place where a Manchester girl
Name of Emmeline Pankhurst from the streets of Moss Side
Led a Suffragette City with sisterhood pride
And this is the place with appliance of science
We’re on it, atomic, we strut with defiance
In the face of a challenge we always stand tall
Mancunians in union delivered it all
Such as housing and libraries, and health, education
And unions and co-ops, the first railway station
So we’re sorry! Bear with us! We invented commuters!
But we hope you forgive us – we invented computers!
And this is the place Henry Royce strolled with Rolls
And we’ve rocked and we’ve rolled with our own Northern Soul
And so this is the place to do business, then dance
Where go-getters and goal setters know they’ve a chance
And this is the place where we first played as kids
And me Mam lived and died here, she loved it she did
And this is the place where our folks came to work
Where they struggled in puddles, they hurt in the dirt
And they built us a city. They built us these towns
And they coughed on the cobbles to the deafening sound
Of the steaming machines and the screaming of slaves
They were scheming for greatness, they dreamed to their graves
And they left us a spirit, they left us a vibe
The Mancunian Way to survive and to thrive
And to work and to build, to connect and create and
Greater Manchester’s greatness is keeping it great
And so this is the place now we’ve kids of our own
Some are born here, some drawn here but we all call it home
And they’ve covered the cobbles, but they’ll never defeat
All the dreamers and schemers who still teem through these streets
Because this is a place that has been through some hard times
Oppressions, recessions, depressions and dark times
But we keep fighting back with Greater Manchester spirit
Northern grit, northern wit in Greater Manchester’s lyrics
And there’s hard times again in these streets of our city
But we won’t take defeat and we don’t want your pity
Because this a place where we stand strong together
With a smile on our face, Mancunians Forever
And we’ve got this* as the place where a team with a dream (*Forever Manchester)
Can get funding and something to help with their scheme
Because this is the place that understands your grand plans
We don’t do No Can Do, we just stress Yes We Can!
Forever Manchester’s a charity for people round ‘ere
You can fundraise, donate. You can be a volunteer
You can live local, give local. We can honestly say
We do charity differently, that Mancunian Way
And we fund local kids, and we fund local teams
We support local dreamers to work for their dreams
We support local groups and the great work they do
So can you …help us help… local people like you?
Because this is the place in our hearts, in our homes
Because this is the place that’s a part of our bones
‘Cos Greater Manchester gives us such strength from the fact
That this is the place. We should give something back.
Always remember. Never forget. Forever Manchester.3 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭ComboBreaker88 wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »My decision to remove you stands.
I said the the mail if the thread is closed you can talk to me and the other leader.
The comments you made were toxic and I have no interest in reinviting you anymore.
The fact that other people said the same thing I did, and you didn't even link the thread, means I can rest easy knowing I made the correct decision.
Our guild is full of amazing and lovely individuals, if you feel left out, then I'm not responsible for your actions and comments.
How hard is it to write, "I'm sorry that was insensitive"?
Offense is never givem, it is only taken. Nobody should be told to apologize for offending another.
If that were true then "offensive" wouldn't be a word.
Yes it would, it is used by the offended to try amd label others are wrong when the error is really themselves. Then again, it is a philosophical statement, not a definition. There is no such thing as a universally offensive word or statement. Offense is subjective.Edited by notimetocare on September 11, 2016 10:05AM3 -
Bad_Company✭✭✭✭It is my opinion. How hard is it to understand? And I will not apologize for it. Sorry. And I can understand if our views are different. I did what I could or considered appropriate according to my credos with respect to your request.
I'm glad you saw the topic. That was the intention.
Good day to you and good luck.
Now it would be time to close the thread for good.
@e1team Just my 2 cents after reading this and the comment you made the other day.
They weren't asking for you to go back on your opinion, even though -IMHO- it would have been nice if you did so. They were asking for you to realize how insensitive it was to put it in a public comment. You can sleep like a baby because you think you have nothing to regret, you say that you won't apologize for the comment itself because it's your own opinion and no one can take that from you.
The thing is, not every time we have our own opinion on something and we can express it it means we should do so. You could have thought what you wrote and kept it to yourself instead of sharing it. None of this would have happened. In the future, always think of the consequences of what you might say.My characters (EU PC):Leopardo Di-Caprio (Khajiit Templar) || Matthew Makehoney (Altmer Sorcerer) || Luck-Luster Burt (Redguard Dragonknight)Clint Histwood (Argonian Templar) || Martin Uber Ping (Redguard Sorcerer) || Louis Farmstrong (Imperial Nightblade)Anthony Hotskins (Altmer Nightblade)12 -
acw37162✭✭✭✭✭
✭So, your to big a person to not apologize for what your not sorry for and just a small enough person to publicly post your not public apology.
I would say you must be swell kid but your probbably actually an adult.
Kudos to your ex guild mates for putting consequences to Internet behavior.Edited by acw37162 on September 11, 2016 10:35AM8 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So, your to big a person to not apologize for what your not sorry for and just a small enough person to publicly post your not public apology.
I would say you must be swell kid but your probbably actually an adult.
Kudos to your ex guild mates for putting consequences to Internet behavior.
Now why you hating on OP for? Lol. Why you trying to chump him for? He just had his former guild try to play him, and now you're taking shots at him? N'ah bruh. Hop off OP's case. All that isn't even needed. Man got kicked out of an in-game guild over HIS opinion, that he voiced on the forums. And the GM was cocky enough to ask of a public apology. And you're coming at OP like that...? Is you serious, bruh? N'ah. Hop out your feelings, and understand that he has every right to make this thread AND voice his opinions. How that man feels, is how he feels. Not me, you, or anyone else. Stop being salty that OP was strong enough to expose those lames who tried to clown him, and won't buckle.2 -
e1team✭✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Is this the post that everyone is making a fuss over? https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3344799/#Comment_3344799
To be honest I thought it was going to be far harsh and severe. I completely disagree with e1team on the suicide topic, but I'm not going to send him to the flaming torch death over it.
What e1team did was to show his complete and utter ignorance about the truth of mental illness, and what people have to deal with on a regular basic. The people who liked his post also showed their ignorance, but unfortunately we will never get to see who liked his post due to the anonymity.
e1team, Let me give you some education about the reality of suicide. This is coming from personal experience and someone who suffers from mental illness. We do not choose to be this emotional. Something happen in our brains to cause us to have strong emotional feelings. It could be a chemical imbalance or something else. I've tried every medication on the market to try to help me with my depression, but it only made it worst, and not better. I realize a few years ago that my body started rejecting an anti anxiety medication (Xanax/Ativan - benzodiazepines). This drug was once my friend now my arch enemy. This drug caused me to have strong suicidal feelings. All I could think of is how to kill myself. I've spent close to 3 days curled up into a fetal position on my floor fighting the impulsiveness of death and self destruction. I do not consider myself to be weak or stupid. I was drove to become suicidal due to a severe allergic reaction caused by the drug. This is common issue with anti depression drugs as well. Please look at the blackbox warning on an anti depression drug and you'll clearly see that sometimes it can cause someone to become suicidal. If you don't mind please read this article that the FDA released to the public.
http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/InformationbyDrugClass/ucm096273.htm
also please read this article http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/child-and-adolescent-mental-health/antidepressant-medications-for-children-and-adolescents-information-for-parents-and-caregivers.shtml
Please read this popular story about woman who choose to commit suicide to avoid going through a painful process of having terminal brain cancer.
http://www.lifenews.com/2014/11/02/brittany-maynard-the-29-year-old-with-brain-cancer-has-reportedly-killed-herself/
As for the concern OP that wanted to bring ZoS attention about a suicidal player. We don't know what was going on with the player. Maybe he is also experiencing a drug effect? Maybe hes experiencing tragedy in his life like a loss of a love one? Who knows. Suicide is not weak. Please educate yourself on the issue.
The big question is: How it all ended? You are here after all. It says a lot about you...
And yes sometimes its mental state, and sometimes external factor. In my case I was beaten by the whole class every day for four years, starting from fifth grade. Just because I was not country native. Ooh... I had suicidal thoughts, no doubt about that. But I am here. I chose life. I won.3 -
Skitttles✭✭✭✭It sounds like you're guild is Tumblr. You've triggered them and your opinion doesn't matter.Skittles | DC Stem Sok and sumtimes Nertbled2 -
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✭So, your to big a person to not apologize for what your not sorry for and just a small enough person to publicly post your not public apology.
I would say you must be swell kid but your probbably actually an adult.
Kudos to your ex guild mates for putting consequences to Internet behavior.
Now why you hating on OP for? Lol. Why you trying to chump him for? He just had his former guild try to play him, and now you're taking shots at him? N'ah bruh. Hop off OP's case. All that isn't even needed. Man got kicked out of an in-game guild over HIS opinion, that he voiced on the forums. And the GM was cocky enough to ask of a public apology. And you're coming at OP like that...? Is you serious, bruh? N'ah. Hop out your feelings, and understand that he has every right to make this thread AND voice his opinions. How that man feels, is how he feels. Not me, you, or anyone else. Stop being salty that OP was strong enough to expose those lames who tried to clown him, and won't buckle.
I am not hating on the OP.
He made a post. The post offeneded his guild master who has posted here. The guild master asked for a public apology. The OP wouldn't make an apology but instead made a very public non-apology.
All within his rights and abilities to do so but the facts are the facts and he couldn't just let it go and ride off to another guild with a story to tell nope, that was to easy back to the Internet forums to let everyone who cares to read this thread; this is me not apologizing.
The OP has the right to do and say everything he did.
The guild master has the right to kick the OP and ask for an apology.
The OP had the right to post about his non-apology.
And everyone in here has the right to banter back and forth about it.
But if your claiming the OP took the higher road here to be the better man your way off the mark.
Small behavior is small behavior.
No one made him make a joke in good or bad taste, no one made him be offeneded someone asked for apology, no one made home post his non-apology. He made every single one of those choices himself.
EDIT;
For the record; it is not weekness to realize that even without you can seriously offend or hurt someone but the inability to account for that a pounce soly upon the grounds of our freedoms and his own and your own righteousness is not strength.
Neither the OP the Guildmaster stand squarely with both feet upon the moral high ground but when you read theis thread you see one man willing act like a man and another willing to act like something else entirely.
Edited by acw37162 on September 11, 2016 10:58AM9 -
Bad_Company✭✭✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Is this the post that everyone is making a fuss over? https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3344799/#Comment_3344799
To be honest I thought it was going to be far harsh and severe. I completely disagree with e1team on the suicide topic, but I'm not going to send him to the flaming torch death over it.
What e1team did was to show his complete and utter ignorance about the truth of mental illness, and what people have to deal with on a regular basic. The people who liked his post also showed their ignorance, but unfortunately we will never get to see who liked his post due to the anonymity.
e1team, Let me give you some education about the reality of suicide. This is coming from personal experience and someone who suffers from mental illness. We do not choose to be this emotional. Something happen in our brains to cause us to have strong emotional feelings. It could be a chemical imbalance or something else. I've tried every medication on the market to try to help me with my depression, but it only made it worst, and not better. I realize a few years ago that my body started rejecting an anti anxiety medication (Xanax/Ativan - benzodiazepines). This drug was once my friend now my arch enemy. This drug caused me to have strong suicidal feelings. All I could think of is how to kill myself. I've spent close to 3 days curled up into a fetal position on my floor fighting the impulsiveness of death and self destruction. I do not consider myself to be weak or stupid. I was drove to become suicidal due to a severe allergic reaction caused by the drug. This is common issue with anti depression drugs as well. Please look at the blackbox warning on an anti depression drug and you'll clearly see that sometimes it can cause someone to become suicidal. If you don't mind please read this article that the FDA released to the public.
http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/InformationbyDrugClass/ucm096273.htm
also please read this article http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/child-and-adolescent-mental-health/antidepressant-medications-for-children-and-adolescents-information-for-parents-and-caregivers.shtml
Please read this popular story about woman who choose to commit suicide to avoid going through a painful process of having terminal brain cancer.
http://www.lifenews.com/2014/11/02/brittany-maynard-the-29-year-old-with-brain-cancer-has-reportedly-killed-herself/
As for the concern OP that wanted to bring ZoS attention about a suicidal player. We don't know what was going on with the player. Maybe he is also experiencing a drug effect? Maybe hes experiencing tragedy in his life like a loss of a love one? Who knows. Suicide is not weak. Please educate yourself on the issue.
The big question is: How it all ended? You are here after all. It says a lot about you...
And yes sometimes its mental state, and sometimes external factor. In my case I was beaten by the whole class every day for four years, starting from fifth grade. Just because I was not country native. Ooh... I had suicidal thoughts, no doubt about that. But I am here. I chose life. I won.
This just proves how much more insensitive your comment was. You had suicidal thoughts, so you know it's something not to take lightly. You won, it's true, and I'm very glad you did. But if someone loses that battle rest assured it's not because of weakness or cowardice. Instead, I suggest you do a little research on minor and major depression. Maybe read something on other psychological disorders too. It may give you more insight and maybe it can change your view as well.My characters (EU PC):Leopardo Di-Caprio (Khajiit Templar) || Matthew Makehoney (Altmer Sorcerer) || Luck-Luster Burt (Redguard Dragonknight)Clint Histwood (Argonian Templar) || Martin Uber Ping (Redguard Sorcerer) || Louis Farmstrong (Imperial Nightblade)Anthony Hotskins (Altmer Nightblade)5
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