Lilmothiit Race for a future DLC Zone?

ArchMikem

For the love of God READ THE LAST REPLIES before saying anything, this is an old thread!

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As it says in the lore, there was another beast race native to Tamriel that literally existed just prior to the events of ESO. The Lilmothiit, the Fox people. They existed as a tribal people living in or around Black Marsh, before the flu devastated the population, seemingly eradicating them the same way it did to the kothringi. But a total extinction doesnt need to be the case.

For story purposes, reports could come in of new sightings of these reclusive people, and word comes down to the Vestige from their respective King/Queen to travel to where these spottings took place and try to find the Lilmothiit, in order to negotiate their participation in the conflict on your side. Instead of being recruited however the Fox people argue that they are too few to make such a risk and prefer to be left to their tribal isolation. However, since youre the Vestige of course trouble folowed you, and now you must aid and help the Lilmothiit, thus putting you on the main questline.

This content could add a new story questline, new side quests, a new crafting motif, new armor sets, new dungeons, new area bosses, and even a new zone in Black Marsh or a whole island off the coast of Black Marsh that the Lilmothiit escaped to from the flu.

JD2013

See, I like the idea of this, it states that they were all wiped out by the Knahaten Flu in 2E 560, some twenty odd years prior to ESO.

But surely not all were wiped out maybe? There may be one or two still around in this time, at least. Certainly not in the future though, when the main series games happen.

Though I can't help but think of how odd giant fox people would look like. I am sure some people would enjoy this though!

josefcifkaeb17_ESO

JD2013 wrote: »

See, I like the idea of this, it states that they were all wiped out by the Knahaten Flu in 2E 560, some twenty odd years prior to ESO.

But surely not all were wiped out maybe? There may be one or two still around in this time, at least. Certainly not in the future though, when the main series games happen.

Though I can't help but think of how odd giant fox people would look like. I am sure some people would enjoy this though!

Odd? Why odd?

Is this odd?

JD2013

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

See, I like the idea of this, it states that they were all wiped out by the Knahaten Flu in 2E 560, some twenty odd years prior to ESO.

But surely not all were wiped out maybe? There may be one or two still around in this time, at least. Certainly not in the future though, when the main series games happen.

Though I can't help but think of how odd giant fox people would look like. I am sure some people would enjoy this though!

Odd? Why odd?

Is this odd?

Well, that's me not sleeping tonight ...

ArchMikem

Of course someone had to drag cringe into my thread..

josefcifkaeb17_ESO

Of course, and there are sound facts behind it ^^

Lilmothiit are extinct, or so close to extinct that nobody has seen them since the Knahaten Flu incident.

How likely is ZOS (Bethesda) to break this lore fact? I think the chance is like 0,00000000001%

And how likely is it for ZOS to implement a new playable race based on an extict tribe? ^-^

None.

ArchMikem

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

And how likely is it for ZOS to implement a new playable race based on an extict tribe? ^-^

None.

Thats why i said it was a day dream. Otherwise its a joke bud.

The rest of it is serious and completely plausible.

josefcifkaeb17_ESO

How is it plausible when it breaks the lore?

Deleting my valid point from your quote doesn't make it vanish, not really

XDragonDoomX

more chance of seeing a Dwemer character race

They at least aren't extinct - I remember (from the future) finding one when seeking a plague cure (although, admittedly, it was the last one)

Andarne

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

more chance of seeing a Dwemer character race

They at least aren't extinct - I remember (from the future) finding one when seeking a plague cure (although, admittedly, it was the last one)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPzWAhzqDXg[/video]

Imagine how ugly ESO would get with these guys running around xD

ArchMikem

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

How is it plausible when it breaks the lore?

Deleting my valid point from your quote doesn't make it vanish, not really

Lore says they werent seen, doesnt make them extinct. Having at least some appear isnt lore breaking, its expanding. Besides ZOS is already well known for having its way with the lore. Now you want to draw a line?

josefcifkaeb17_ESO

ArchMikem wrote: »

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

How is it plausible when it breaks the lore?

Deleting my valid point from your quote doesn't make it vanish, not really

they werent seen - Having at least some appear isnt lore breaking

Because fudge logic right?

As far as I'm aware, ZOS never broke the lore in a ground breaking world shattering manner.
People always say how ESO breaks the lore, but when I ask them for a specific example, they often fall short on words...
All I can think of is the three alliances, doesn't make much sense for many of the races to form a pact.

Enodoc

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Of course, and there are sound facts behind it ^^

Lilmothiit are extinct, or so close to extinct that nobody has seen them since the Knahaten Flu incident.

How likely is ZOS (Bethesda) to break this lore fact? I think the chance is like 0,00000000001%

And how likely is it for ZOS to implement a new playable race based on an extict tribe? ^-^

None.

The Kothringi were supposedly extinct too, yet we find some holdouts while in Shadowfen. It is reasonably plausible that a tribe of Lilmothiit escaped the Knahaten Flu, maybe by being on one of the outlying islands (such as Cathnoquey, eh, @Gidorick?)

JD2013 wrote: »

Though I can't help but think of how odd giant fox people would look like. I am sure some people would enjoy this though!

No more odd than giant cat people, I'm sure

josefcifkaeb17_ESO

Enodoc wrote: »

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Of course, and there are sound facts behind it ^^

Lilmothiit are extinct, or so close to extinct that nobody has seen them since the Knahaten Flu incident.

How likely is ZOS (Bethesda) to break this lore fact? I think the chance is like 0,00000000001%

And how likely is it for ZOS to implement a new playable race based on an extict tribe? ^-^

None.

The Kothringi were supposedly extinct too, yet we find some holdouts while in Shadowfen. It is reasonably plausible that a tribe of Lilmothiit escaped the Knahaten Flu, maybe by being on one of the outlying islands (such as Cathnoquey, eh, @Gidorick?)

JD2013 wrote: »

Though I can't help but think of how odd giant fox people would look like. I am sure some people would enjoy this though!

No more odd than giant cat people, I'm sure

Mate, read only if you have already finished the Kothringi quest lines...

The Kothringi you can find are all dead, they are dead people under a spell, there's only one survivor and even he dies as you progress in the quest.

So your Kothringi remark is invalid ^-^

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

Enodoc wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Though I can't help but think of how odd giant fox people would look like. I am sure some people would enjoy this though!

No more odd than giant cat people, I'm sure

Khajiit thinks that one cute furry but deadly race in Tamriel is enough! You can keep the foxes in Tamriel on 4 legs thank you

Preyfar

Enodoc wrote: »

The Kothringi were supposedly extinct too, yet we find some holdouts while in Shadowfen. It is reasonably plausible that a tribe of Lilmothiit escaped the Knahaten Flu, maybe by being on one of the outlying islands (such as Cathnoquey, eh, @Gidorick?)

Or others saw the potential devastation of the flu and decided to venture outward to try and escape it. There's other areas besides Tamriel they could have potentially gone, and hidden to try to survive. Given the Lilmothiit were from Black Marsh we may learn more about them and their fate if/when Black Marsh is released.

josefcifkaeb17_ESO

Preyfar wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

The Kothringi were supposedly extinct too, yet we find some holdouts while in Shadowfen. It is reasonably plausible that a tribe of Lilmothiit escaped the Knahaten Flu, maybe by being on one of the outlying islands (such as Cathnoquey, eh, @Gidorick?)

Or others saw the potential devastation of the flu and decided to venture outward to try and escape it. There's other areas besides Tamriel they could have potentially gone, and hidden to try to survive. Given the Lilmothiit were from Black Marsh we may learn more about them and their fate if/when Black Marsh is released.

Doesn't change the fact that they haven't been seen, so if you make them appear you contradict that fact.

Preyfar

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact that they haven't been seen, so if you make them appear you contradict that fact.

Dragons also haven't been seen, too, but Paarthurnax is still alive in this era. Although I do think if the Lilmothiit appear they should be in limited number, not as a playable race.

josefcifkaeb17_ESO

Preyfar wrote: »

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact that they haven't been seen, so if you make them appear you contradict that fact.

Dragons also haven't been seen, too, but Paarthurnax is still alive in this era. Although I do think if the Lilmothiit appear they should be in limited number, not as a playable race.

Preyfar wrote: »

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact that they haven't been seen, so if you make them appear you contradict that fact.

Dragons also haven't been seen, too, but Paarthurnax is still alive in this era. Although I do think if the Lilmothiit appear they should be in limited number, not as a playable race.

According to your logic it's ok if ZOS decides to place Paarthurnax to the middle of Orsinium and makes him greet random strangers? Because fundge the lore, him being not seen means nothing ^-^

Preyfar

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact that they haven't been seen, so if you make them appear you contradict that fact.

Dragons also haven't been seen, too, but Paarthurnax is still alive in this era. Although I do think if the Lilmothiit appear they should be in limited number, not as a playable race.

According to your logic it's ok if ZOS decides to place Paarthurnax to the middle of Orsinium and makes him greet random strangers? Because fundge the lore, him being not seen means nothing ^-^

I never said that was my logic. It's been two decades since the flu, so it's entire possible a handful of Lilmothiit are still around without being lore breaking. Races travel, go on expeditions, trading runs and more. You find Khajiit all over Tamriel. Lore-wise, it's entirely possible the surviving Lilmothiit went into hiding or decided to leave Tamriel to go elsewhere. It's not without reason there could be some still around.

Enodoc

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Of course, and there are sound facts behind it ^^

Lilmothiit are extinct, or so close to extinct that nobody has seen them since the Knahaten Flu incident.

How likely is ZOS (Bethesda) to break this lore fact? I think the chance is like 0,00000000001%

And how likely is it for ZOS to implement a new playable race based on an extict tribe? ^-^

None.

The Kothringi were supposedly extinct too, yet we find some holdouts while in Shadowfen. It is reasonably plausible that a tribe of Lilmothiit escaped the Knahaten Flu, maybe by being on one of the outlying islands (such as Cathnoquey, eh, @Gidorick?)

Mate, read only if you have already finished the Kothringi quest lines...

The Kothringi you can find are all dead, they are dead people under a spell, there's only one survivor and even he dies as you progress in the quest.

So your Kothringi remark is invalid ^-^

True, but what I'm getting at is that ZOS found a way to include a race that was supposed to have been wiped out by the Knahaten Flu, meaning they could conceivably do the same again. Given how secluded they are, no one would know if a small group had managed to escape Argonia before the Flu claimed them.

Wifeaggro13

ArchMikem wrote: »

As it says in the lore, there was another beast race native to Tamriel that literally existed just prior to the events of ESO. The Lilmothiit, the Fox people. They existed as a tribal people living in or around Black Marsh, before the flu devastated the population, seemingly eradicating them the same way it did to the kothringi. But a total extinction doesnt need to be the case.

For story purposes, reports could come in of new sightings of these reclusive people, and word comes down to the Vestige from their respective King/Queen to travel to where these spottings took place and try to find the Lilmothiit, in order to negotiate their participation in the conflict on your side. Instead of being recruited however the Fox people argue that they are too few to make such a risk and prefer to be left to their tribal isolation. However, since youre the Vestige of course trouble folowed you, and now you must aid and help the Lilmothiit, thus putting you on the main questline.

This content could add a new story questline, new side quests, a new crafting motif, new armor sets, new dungeons, new area bosses, and even a new zone in Black Marsh or a whole island off the coast of Black Marsh that the Lilmothiit escaped to from the flu.

Hell, if ZOS is generous it could even introduce the Lilmothiit as the 11th playable race, but thats just day dreaming now.

Good luck with that By two years deep in a mmo the builds for longevity , would have a new race new class and far more end game activities. They are churning out 15 dollar dlc that keep getting smaller and smaller. ESO future looks rather bleak as far as the game enriching and expanding. Right now they are gonna charge you to repurpose Craglorn lol.

josefcifkaeb17_ESO

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

As it says in the lore, there was another beast race native to Tamriel that literally existed just prior to the events of ESO. The Lilmothiit, the Fox people. They existed as a tribal people living in or around Black Marsh, before the flu devastated the population, seemingly eradicating them the same way it did to the kothringi. But a total extinction doesnt need to be the case.

For story purposes, reports could come in of new sightings of these reclusive people, and word comes down to the Vestige from their respective King/Queen to travel to where these spottings took place and try to find the Lilmothiit, in order to negotiate their participation in the conflict on your side. Instead of being recruited however the Fox people argue that they are too few to make such a risk and prefer to be left to their tribal isolation. However, since youre the Vestige of course trouble folowed you, and now you must aid and help the Lilmothiit, thus putting you on the main questline.

This content could add a new story questline, new side quests, a new crafting motif, new armor sets, new dungeons, new area bosses, and even a new zone in Black Marsh or a whole island off the coast of Black Marsh that the Lilmothiit escaped to from the flu.

Hell, if ZOS is generous it could even introduce the Lilmothiit as the 11th playable race, but thats just day dreaming now.

Good luck with that By two years deep in a mmo the builds for longevity , would have a new race new class and far more end game activities. They are churning out 15 dollar dlc that keep getting smaller and smaller. ESO future looks rather bleak as far as the game enriching and expanding. Right now they are gonna charge you to repurpose Craglorn lol.

Oh, so I'm not the only one who feels that way.

ArchMikem

I went and erased that part about the Lilmothiit being a new playable race cause people cant tell what a joke is.

You people should know im just as much of a stickler for keeping a universe consistent and solid, but seriously people the lore does not state in concrete that ALL pf the Lilmothiit are gone. Its assumed they went extinct from the flu. ASSUMED. Every possibility exists that some of them can be brought into the limelight and it would not be lorebreaking. The lore would just be updated to say they were beleived to have gone extinct but some of the race still survived.

And theres absolutely nothing wrong with having them be the focus of some hypothetical future DLC zone and story quest.

Honestly, an already established beast race survivng a plague is much more plausible than sudden talking pandas. And the WoW pandas actually exist. In the end, people saying SOME of the Lilmothiit surviving the plague is lore breaking is ridiculous.

bebynnag

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Of course, and there are sound facts behind it ^^

Lilmothiit are extinct, or so close to extinct that nobody has seen them since the Knahaten Flu incident.

How likely is ZOS (Bethesda) to break this lore fact? I think the chance is like 0,00000000001%

And how likely is it for ZOS to implement a new playable race based on an extict tribe? ^-^

None.

in the base game their are ayleid ghosts wandering all over the place, a kothrigi king, and probablly others (ive just woken up & need coffee)

i love @ArchMikem's suggestion as is, but if it is too lore breaking for some people, then how about THE last of the Lilmothiit is found? or a tribe of Lilmothiitian ghosts is being controlled by the big bad, & we, the vestage save them.

ArchMikem

puffytheslayer wrote: »

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Of course, and there are sound facts behind it ^^

Lilmothiit are extinct, or so close to extinct that nobody has seen them since the Knahaten Flu incident.

How likely is ZOS (Bethesda) to break this lore fact? I think the chance is like 0,00000000001%

And how likely is it for ZOS to implement a new playable race based on an extict tribe? ^-^

None.

in the base game their are ayleid ghosts wandering all over the place, a kothrigi king, and probablly others (ive just woken up & need coffee)

i love @ArchMikem's suggestion as is, but if it is too lore breaking for some people, then how about THE last of the Lilmothiit is found? or a tribe of Lilmothiitian ghosts is being controlled by the big bad, & we, the vestage save them.

That would just be a carbon copy of the kothringi village quest. I dont see anything breaking about a lone tribe of surviving Lilmothiit in a dark corner of Black Marsh, or even on a small island they escaped to.

bebynnag

ArchMikem wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Of course, and there are sound facts behind it ^^

Lilmothiit are extinct, or so close to extinct that nobody has seen them since the Knahaten Flu incident.

How likely is ZOS (Bethesda) to break this lore fact? I think the chance is like 0,00000000001%

And how likely is it for ZOS to implement a new playable race based on an extict tribe? ^-^

None.

in the base game their are ayleid ghosts wandering all over the place, a kothrigi king, and probablly others (ive just woken up & need coffee)

i love @ArchMikem's suggestion as is, but if it is too lore breaking for some people, then how about THE last of the Lilmothiit is found? or a tribe of Lilmothiitian ghosts is being controlled by the big bad, & we, the vestage save them.

That would just be a carbon copy of the kothringi village quest. I dont see anything breaking about a lone tribe of surviving Lilmothiit in a dark corner of Black Marsh, or even on a small island they escaped to.

I dont see anything lore breaking about it either, entirley plausable this close to the event,

but im one of those annoying people that try to make everyone happy, so i tried finding a middle ground! LOL

altemriel

ArchMikem wrote: »

As it says in the lore, there was another beast race native to Tamriel that literally existed just prior to the events of ESO. The Lilmothiit, the Fox people. They existed as a tribal people living in or around Black Marsh, before the flu devastated the population, seemingly eradicating them the same way it did to the kothringi. But a total extinction doesnt need to be the case.

For story purposes, reports could come in of new sightings of these reclusive people, and word comes down to the Vestige from their respective King/Queen to travel to where these spottings took place and try to find the Lilmothiit, in order to negotiate their participation in the conflict on your side. Instead of being recruited however the Fox people argue that they are too few to make such a risk and prefer to be left to their tribal isolation. However, since youre the Vestige of course trouble folowed you, and now you must aid and help the Lilmothiit, thus putting you on the main questline.

This content could add a new story questline, new side quests, a new crafting motif, new armor sets, new dungeons, new area bosses, and even a new zone in Black Marsh or a whole island off the coast of Black Marsh that the Lilmothiit escaped to from the flu.

yes please !!


Lore, yes, extinct, but there can be still "found some other part of the previously uncovered lore", where some small part of the tribe departed elsewhere before the plague. got it ?

Nova Sky

Wasn't Tamriel supposed to be home to some ancient bird-based beast race, too, before the Merethic Era?

I thought there was a lore book in Skyrim (or ESO) that explained how early Altmer navigators discovered them in, of all places, central Cyrodiil, but that the species vanished not long afterward.

altemriel

Nova Sky wrote: »

Wasn't Tamriel supposed to be home to some ancient bird-based beast race, too, before the Merethic Era?

I thought there was a lore book in Skyrim (or ESO) that explained how early Altmer navigators discovered them in, of all places, central Cyrodiil, but that the species vanished not long afterward.

I wanna see a picture of them !

Nysara

So moar furries eh?

I say add another continent so we can have some different tastes. Like Maormer or Akaviri Add near the Imperial selection. So they can select which alliance they can belong.