Crafting bags / bank space for non-subscribers

UrQuan

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

While I agree it would be nice to bring the bank up to 300 slots, it will be expensive for a player to add those slots.

Actually, it would probably be a very good thing for the game if they increased max bank size to 300, even if it was quite expensive to get there. ESO doesn't have enough gold sinks - many players who have been playing for a long time (and are thus more likely to be sitting on lots of gold) have maxed-out their bank space a long time ago. Adding more slots, and making them expensive, would take some of their gold out of the economy and reduce inflation.

Plus, it has always really bugged me that the max number of bank slots isn't a nice round number. 240? What the heck is that? Give me an even 300! Heck, I'd settle for 250. But 240 is just weird...

Sinolai

Would love to have some extra space. 240 bank slots feels pretty odd number anyways.

As for why I am not subbing for crafting bag, I find it easier to stay focused on real life things when I don't have to think how much paid game time I am wasting while working overtime. I just buy the DLCs and play when I have time for that.

nine9six

UrQuan wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

While I agree it would be nice to bring the bank up to 300 slots, it will be expensive for a player to add those slots.

Actually, it would probably be a very good thing for the game if they increased max bank size to 300, even if it was quite expensive to get there. ESO doesn't have enough gold sinks - many players who have been playing for a long time (and are thus more likely to be sitting on lots of gold) have maxed-out their bank space a long time ago. Adding more slots, and making them expensive, would take some of their gold out of the economy and reduce inflation.

Plus, it has always really bugged me that the max number of bank slots isn't a nice round number. 240? What the heck is that? Give me an even 300! Heck, I'd settle for 250. But 240 is just weird...

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mlstevens42_ESO

I know there is a temptation for some to horde items. You need to pick and choose what you would like to keep.

For example only the craft materials you use if you do not have any toons that need iron sell the iron if you grab it up do not try to keep it. If I were to make things for others (usually I do not since most do not appreciate it) they would have to provide all mats all style items all trait items and so on. What they would get from me was the skill to make what they wanted. In this way I limited the items I had to keep.

Unless intended to use ice furnace or necropotence or what not I got rid of it.

I do agree with the fact if we get a bunch of new items there may be a need for more inventory space, but there are ways to help yourself also.....max slots per character maxed out carrying capacity for horse and so on. As well as the not trying to keep everything you find.

Soundwave

Wow wrote: »

If they just slap Crafting Bags freely to everyone, many people would just stop subbing that is bad for business. Also it's the same gaming experience, except less time visiting banker/merchant aka playing Inventory Game. Also you can go make your mule guild

But I think they should increase max bank/bag capacity when tamriel one drops, by several slots.

They could do many different things to increase subs, like for instance increase the 10% exp, gold and inspiration boost to 25% or subs get additional enlightenment to 800k XP and other give subs free crown boxs every month. The crafting bag is a got thing for subs, but they could do much than that.

UrQuan

Soundwave wrote: »

Wow wrote: »

If they just slap Crafting Bags freely to everyone, many people would just stop subbing that is bad for business. Also it's the same gaming experience, except less time visiting banker/merchant aka playing Inventory Game. Also you can go make your mule guild

But I think they should increase max bank/bag capacity when tamriel one drops, by several slots.

They could do many different things to increase subs, like for instance increase the 10% exp, gold and inspiration boost to 25% or subs get additional enlightenment to 800k XP and other give subs free crown boxs every month. The crafting bag is a got thing for subs, but they could do much than that.

Speaking as someone who has maintained a subscription since PC launch day, increasing the XP/gold/inspiration boost is a bad idea. Even a 10% advantage over non-subscribers is on the verge of being too much IMO. Additional enlightenment is also a bad idea. Those are things that would make it so that a new player pretty much has to subscribe if they want to become competitive and quickly get to a decent number of CPs.

malchior

If this poses such a huge issue for you and the craft bags is the solution, then it's worth the subscription money. So subscribe. You'll be helping the game as well as yourself.

visionality wrote: »

Looking at the patch notes for One Tamriel, huge amounts of new sets, motives and materials will enter the game without any adjustment to the available storage space. This won't pose much of a problem for subscribers with their crafting bags, but it will pose HUGE problems for non-subscribers.

Since I am one of them and I bought the game under the assumption that it would essentially give me the same gaming experience as subscribers, I wonder what Zenimax will do to fix the growing gap between items that have (or should) be stored and available storage space.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_BrianWheeler, @ZOS_KaiSchober, @Wrobel - any ideas on this?

malchior

It is subscribers problem when someone who isn't one expects the same gaming experience for which the have not paid for.

visionality wrote: »

Jeez, so many toxic subscribers replying on something that isn't their problem at all!

I'm not calling for crafting bags for non-subscribers - although the notion of a buyable one doesn't strike me as so weird as some commentors.

But with 14 new monster helmet sets, new bound-on-pickup armor sets and new motives including new mats it strikes me as rather obvious that ppl will try to test them and to do so you have to STORE them somewhere until e.g. you have a full new monster helmet set. And yes, you can use mules or a fake guild-bank etc - but is this really necessary when all the developers would have to do is increase available storing space?

Bandit1215

Step 1: max out bank space
Step 2: put all mats on crafter with maxed out inventory.
Step 3: create slave characters and increase their bag space (max them out if you have the coin)
Step 4: place all essential gear on mains and non-essential gear on slave characters.

If you still are struggling, perhaps consider deconstructing some garbo gear and stop hoarding everything that you "maybe might use someday".

Ayantir

The Chests Mafia is strong on MMOs

In ESO they succedeed to make users believe they need to pay to get an unlimited space because they created the need by multiplying items.

Upgrade your horse, your bank with gold and apply a strict policy of items.
Get maybe a mule for "long terms items"
Sell every other item in Store

And consider http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info753-BankManagerRevived.html addon too.

PS: ZOS will never listen to you, the more they sell subscriptions, the more they'll be happy.

Gallifreyy

The amount of people that struggle with how subs work and want all the benefits without paying for it. There has to be incentives for subbing to ESO+ and that for me is get the DLC on release which i do end up buying, the craft bags ( and if people think craft bags are pay to win and gives an unfair advantage you have some serious L2P issues ) , and then the new costume dyeing. For those comments that say non subs pay more than subs do i say bull ***. When i bought this game on prerelase it cost me $110 and i have kept my sub active for the whole time this game has been out. Guess what we did when we started the game without crafting bags we made bank mules and we had to pay to even play the game.

WhoThenNow7

I'm a subscriber.. But to all the other subscribers: stop trying to convince/explain to the non subs why they don't get the craft bag, they'll never back down and they'll just keep arguing they should have it.

Non subscribers: this topic has been beaten to hell and back, then around the world, then traveled to the sun, then all the way to Pluto, then a straight shot back down to hell, and now back here on Earth. Just give it a rest.. Please..

Acrolas

Being a subscriber doesn't alter the reality that with all 12 characters unlocked, each one gets 20 spaces in a 240 space bank.

Even with infinite crafting... 20 spaces for anything you don't pull out of the ground.

The game got inventory backward. Too many backpack and horse upgrades, and not enough shared space. I can see limiting personal carry space because it's an online game and you should visit town now and again. But the shared bank has been a bad idea from the beginning and has only gotten worse with time. There's a reason storage is a multi-billion dollar industry. People don't like to carry all their stuff with them all the time.

I'm getting tired of subscribers trying to invalidate other valid opinions just because they pay an optional fee each month. I sub. It didn't make my *** longer, increase my bench press, or bless my bank account so I don't see it as a source of influence or power. At all.

Joy_Division

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

You can save your gold to purchase an additional bank/inventory space in your ingame. Why should you non-subscribers get an unlimited crafting bag that we paid ESO Plus subscribers get?

Not when there is a max limit.

clayandaudrey_ESO

Crafting bags...coming to a crown crate near you soon.

Serjustin19

I believe. Non suscribers should get crafting bag also. In my opinion honestly. I mean. Yes I am a paid subscriber and such. I do get craftbag. However I know ZOS need to make money. I kinda get why ESO + memebers do get craft bags and not everyone else.

But still. I don't think it's fair in my opinion that we ESO+ subscribers get something special while none ESO+ subscribers get nothing. I truly honestly believe that non ESO+ suscribers should get crafting bags also. Just not unlimited crafting bag.

For example if I could change how crafting bag works for non ESO+ Subscribers. They could pay gold for a crafting bag that can hold 1,288 stuff until the bag is full. Therefore while crafting bag for non ESO+ Subscriber will in fact still get something. But the crafting bag won't be unlimited unlike ESO+ subscribers get.

Hamfast

I, like others, paid for 2 copies (one for my wife, both imperial editions) during the prerelease/beta test. We both paid for our subscriptions until a few months back when my wife stopped playing and paying, but I still pay for mine and play a few hours each night. My main is my crafter, I enjoy the crafting a great deal. I made my first set of V16 armor before the crafting bags, I had mules but never had a private guild bank... it was tough, but I did it... and materials on Mules is not available to the crafter out in some crafting station...

Now I have the nifty crafting bag, and while the OP says he was not asking for non subscribers to get one, it was one of the first things he mentioned... then he brought up non subscribers needing more bank space... so what was the point of bringing up the crafting bag at all?

Then he insults those of us that pay our subscription fees because we don't think non-subscribers should get all the benefits that subscribers do without paying the subscription... calling us toxic...

I know I can be accused of rambling on some of my posts, it's hard for me to stay on point many times and so I wander off topic, but not wanting to sound any more toxic for supporting the game with my subscription fees and thanking Zenimax/Bethesda for the few oh so game changing benefits I get, I have an idea for the OP... If you are going to start a thread asking for more bank space, don't bring up things like the crafting bag that you don't get because you don't subscribe... make your post about the need for more bank space. If you think you are spending more on the game then we who subscribe, then spend less, like we do, and subscribe.

Graydon

The crafting bag is the primary reason I subscribe :-)

I am overloaded with materials and I love it!

LaiTash

I wish update 13 could have housing containers like UO. I loved managing my chests and lockers. But that's the problem with all the premium sub model mmo's - they all sell inventory slots for real money so they never have containers in player houses. Makes me sad.

ArchMikem

Suter1972 wrote: »

to be fair, even subscribers paid for the game upfront too (I did). I then decided it was better value to pay £9.99 a month for access to the DLC,

It's good value immediately, but overtime it's not and you end up losing out. Take the Imperial City. It's, what, 2,000, 2,500 crowns? Since you're paying $10 a month for access, then you'll have paid the value for the DLC in two months, however because you're paying a subscription, you don't own the content, you're just renting it, so if you stop subbing, even if you've already paid ZOS the worth of the DLC, they'll cut your access to it. In the end if you choose to still not buy it outright you'll start to pay more and more than what the non-subbers have.

And frankly I don't believe a 10% increase in xp gain, lootable gold gain ect and a crafting inventory is worth yet another monthly bill. My personal motto is, only buy what you can. That's why I prefer single payment purchases.

Blackbird71

malchior wrote: »

It is subscribers problem when someone who isn't one expects the same gaming experience for which the have not paid for.

visionality wrote: »

Jeez, so many toxic subscribers replying on something that isn't their problem at all!

I'm not calling for crafting bags for non-subscribers - although the notion of a buyable one doesn't strike me as so weird as some commentors.

But with 14 new monster helmet sets, new bound-on-pickup armor sets and new motives including new mats it strikes me as rather obvious that ppl will try to test them and to do so you have to STORE them somewhere until e.g. you have a full new monster helmet set. And yes, you can use mules or a fake guild-bank etc - but is this really necessary when all the developers would have to do is increase available storing space?

Just out of curiosity, do you ever read past the first sentence in someone else's post before you reply to it?

jedtb16_ESO

Violynne wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Again why should the non ESO Plus subscribers have access to the crafting bag?

Why should anyone have access to it. It's a slap in the face to those who want a fair and level game, and this bag will now clearly skew the balance against players who can't afford it.

Proof:
Assume two players start the game fresh, one has access to the bag, the other does not (is under 18, parents say "No" to sub).

How do you think both characters will fair when they hit level 50? Want to bet the one with the bag will be vastly superior in build to the non-sub?

People tend to forget how damn hard it is to make gold on the very first character, and to create bank space. Hell, I bet if ZoS didn't allowed shared bank, most of you wouldn't have multiple characters.

That's why ZoS should either give it to everyone or give it to no one.

the person you mention there that i put in bold?

should not be playing.

i blame the parents....

Rosveen

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Violynne wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Again why should the non ESO Plus subscribers have access to the crafting bag?

Why should anyone have access to it. It's a slap in the face to those who want a fair and level game, and this bag will now clearly skew the balance against players who can't afford it.

Proof:
Assume two players start the game fresh, one has access to the bag, the other does not (is under 18, parents say "No" to sub).

How do you think both characters will fair when they hit level 50? Want to bet the one with the bag will be vastly superior in build to the non-sub?

People tend to forget how damn hard it is to make gold on the very first character, and to create bank space. Hell, I bet if ZoS didn't allowed shared bank, most of you wouldn't have multiple characters.

That's why ZoS should either give it to everyone or give it to no one.

the person you mention there that i put in bold?

should not be playing.

i blame the parents....

You really think ESO is too mature for a 17 year old?

Talyena

Serjustin19 wrote: »

But still. I don't think it's fair in my opinion that we ESO+ subscribers get something special while none ESO+ subscribers get nothing. I truly honestly believe that non ESO+ suscribers should get crafting bags also. Just not unlimited crafting bag.

Non subscribers don't get 'nothing,' they get the base game which is what they paid for. They also get any DLCs they pay for. They don't get what they don't pay for. It's simple math really, making the crafting bag purchasable in the crown store will result in a loss of a majority of the subscriber base.

On the other hand, increasing bank/bag space would make everyone happy.

ZOS_JesC

Greetings, we've removed several posts for necroing this thread, and decided to close it.