Crafting bags / bank space for non-subscribers

visionality

Looking at the patch notes for One Tamriel, huge amounts of new sets, motives and materials will enter the game without any adjustment to the available storage space. This won't pose much of a problem for subscribers with their crafting bags, but it will pose HUGE problems for non-subscribers.

Since I am one of them and I bought the game under the assumption that it would essentially give me the same gaming experience as subscribers, I wonder what Zenimax will do to fix the growing gap between items that have (or should) be stored and available storage space.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_BrianWheeler, @ZOS_KaiSchober, @Wrobel - any ideas on this?

raidentenshu_ESO

You can save your gold to purchase an additional bank/inventory space in your ingame. Why should you non-subscribers get an unlimited crafting bag that we paid ESO Plus subscribers get?

snakester320

Sorry but you miss out end of story ( not to be rude ) they want to sell subs.. there not going to offer squat to ppl that dont forcing you to sub!! i only subed for the craft bag!! seems more and more things are going to get blocked behind money making ideas etc as they lose players !!

Wow

If they just slap Crafting Bags freely to everyone, many people would just stop subbing that is bad for business. Also it's the same gaming experience, except less time visiting banker/merchant aka playing Inventory Game. Also you can go make your mule guild

But I think they should increase max bank/bag capacity when tamriel one drops, by several slots.

Suter1972

to be fair, even subscribers paid for the game upfront too (I did). I then decided it was better value to pay £9.99 a month for access to the DLC, the craft bag and the XP bonuses etc. I didn't have to, I could just roll as many do and buy the DLC outright etc.

Everyone has that option, its up to you whether you think its worth it or not but you cant expect the 'same experience' when some are paying £9.99 a month and others are not. There has to be benefits!

PS craft bay wont help will only help with mats, and not mounts, pets, armour, costumes etc.

visionality

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

You can save your gold to purchase an additional bank/inventory space in your ingame. Why should you non-subscribers get an unlimited crafting bag that we paid ESO Plus subscribers get?

Non-subsrcibers also pay money for the game, they just do it in a different way. It's not any cheaper if you care to calculate.

Bam_Bam

visionality wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

You can save your gold to purchase an additional bank/inventory space in your ingame. Why should you non-subscribers get an unlimited crafting bag that we paid ESO Plus subscribers get?

Non-subsrcibers also pay money for the game, they just do it in a different way. It's not any cheaper if you care to calculate.

care to elaborate?

Zolexi

visionality wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

You can save your gold to purchase an additional bank/inventory space in your ingame. Why should you non-subscribers get an unlimited crafting bag that we paid ESO Plus subscribers get?

Non-subsrcibers also pay money for the game, they just do it in a different way. It's not any cheaper if you care to calculate.

I understand you buy the Dlc and crown items as you go, as a lot of subs do too. But that's not reliable and forecastable every month. Its a sad and unfortunate truth, you'll get what you pay for.

Edit: I see no reason not to increase the bank space slightly. Though to have it approach the size and usability of the craft bag would be counter productive.

Taternater

Just make some storage mule characters. We get multiple character slots.

Bryanonymous

visionality wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

You can save your gold to purchase an additional bank/inventory space in your ingame. Why should you non-subscribers get an unlimited crafting bag that we paid ESO Plus subscribers get?

Non-subsrcibers also pay money for the game, they just do it in a different way. It's not any cheaper if you care to calculate.

Technically, if you bought the base game during a Steam sale, never subbed, and never bought crowns, then no, you would not have spent the same. :P

The craft bag is a time saving gold maker, and it's basically the primary incentive to sub. A reward for continuing to financially support the development of new content giving you more time and more gold in the game. If you want it, it's there to pay for, monthly. Whether you like this or not, it is their company to do as they choose, so take it or leave it.

raidentenshu_ESO

visionality wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

You can save your gold to purchase an additional bank/inventory space in your ingame. Why should you non-subscribers get an unlimited crafting bag that we paid ESO Plus subscribers get?

Non-subsrcibers also pay money for the game, they just do it in a different way. It's not any cheaper if you care to calculate.

I (ESO subscriber) give ZoS twice the amount of money that the non-subscribers are paying

I will elaborate in the most simple way as possible

1. I buy crowns
2. I pay for a subscription that gives me an additional bonus

Again why should the non ESO Plus subscribers have access to the crafting bag?

Suter1972

if they made craft bag free for all, I would un sub and just buy the dlc I wanted. I guess many others would too as the craft bag is a huge incentive.

jedtb16_ESO

visionality wrote: »

Looking at the patch notes for One Tamriel, huge amounts of new sets, motives and materials will enter the game without any adjustment to the available storage space. This won't pose much of a problem for subscribers with their crafting bags, but it will pose HUGE problems for non-subscribers.

Since I am one of them and I bought the game under the assumption that it would essentially give me the same gaming experience as subscribers, I wonder what Zenimax will do to fix the growing gap between items that have (or should) be stored and available storage space.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_BrianWheeler, @ZOS_KaiSchober, @Wrobel - any ideas on this?

why should you get the same game experience as a sub?

you got what you paid for - the base game.

Troneon

visionality wrote: »

Looking at the patch notes for One Tamriel, huge amounts of new sets, motives and materials will enter the game without any adjustment to the available storage space. This won't pose much of a problem for subscribers with their crafting bags, but it will pose HUGE problems for non-subscribers.

Since I am one of them and I bought the game under the assumption that it would essentially give me the same gaming experience as subscribers, I wonder what Zenimax will do to fix the growing gap between items that have (or should) be stored and available storage space.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_BrianWheeler, @ZOS_KaiSchober, @Wrobel - any ideas on this?

It is a problem for subscribers, they need to increase bank caps asap...

I only main one character most of the time, I still run out of space for different sets, if you main more than one...

I don't know how anyone can have enough space without crafting bags....

But I guess that is how ZOS wants it $$$$$$$$$$$

Rosveen

As a non-sub, I don't want an unlimited crafting bag (though I'd take one if it was offered in the crown store, with limited slots to make it less attractive than the ESO+ version). I also don't want to create fake guilds, which I see as an exploit, or an army of mules, which are inconvenient as hell and don't really improve the situation. I want increased bank space for everyone, bought with crowns and/or gold. That is all.

Bam_Bam

visionality wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

visionality wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

You can save your gold to purchase an additional bank/inventory space in your ingame. Why should you non-subscribers get an unlimited crafting bag that we paid ESO Plus subscribers get?

Non-subsrcibers also pay money for the game, they just do it in a different way. It's not any cheaper if you care to calculate.

care to elaborate?

Just use your fingers and count.

No thanks I can't be bothered. If you want a craft bag, get your hand in your pocket otherwise, use mules.

Bam_Bam

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

visionality wrote: »

Looking at the patch notes for One Tamriel, huge amounts of new sets, motives and materials will enter the game without any adjustment to the available storage space. This won't pose much of a problem for subscribers with their crafting bags, but it will pose HUGE problems for non-subscribers.

Since I am one of them and I bought the game under the assumption that it would essentially give me the same gaming experience as subscribers, I wonder what Zenimax will do to fix the growing gap between items that have (or should) be stored and available storage space.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_BrianWheeler, @ZOS_KaiSchober, @Wrobel - any ideas on this?

why should you get the same game experience as a sub?

you got what you paid for - the base game.

exactly, well said.

kevlarto_ESO

Nothings free we all pay something max out your bags is the best you can do at pax this question was asked i believe the answer was something like no plans on enlarging storage so it is what it is.

Asardes

For the same price you pay for a month of subscription (1500 CR) you can buy an extra char slot, in case you have the other 8 already filled and you are actually playing those characters. It costs 180K gold to upgrade his inventory from 60 to 140 and another 15K to get 60 additional slots trough riding lessons. You get 200 new storage slots. Crafting bag only stores materials, not gear anyway.

Dread_Viking

i am a sub and i have storage problems so it is no just you non bus that have a problem with this

STEVIL

visionality wrote: »

Looking at the patch notes for One Tamriel, huge amounts of new sets, motives and materials will enter the game without any adjustment to the available storage space. This won't pose much of a problem for subscribers with their crafting bags, but it will pose HUGE problems for non-subscribers.

Since I am one of them and I bought the game under the assumption that it would essentially give me the same gaming experience as subscribers, I wonder what Zenimax will do to fix the growing gap between items that have (or should) be stored and available storage space.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_BrianWheeler, @ZOS_KaiSchober, @Wrobel - any ideas on this?

Ok so, see the thing is, how muc stuff you get is tied to how much you play and your keeping or purging habits.
it is not dependent on how many different things are in the loot tables.

When you kill a goblin trio, you wont get MORE PIECES TO CARRY because there are 39 new sets in the loot table than there were before. You will still get one piece or scraps or both or maybe several pieces etc (unless they actually increase the number of items given out per drop which they have not hinted at.)

MATTER OF FACT, in the current system levelling up, you can find IMX more than three sets in any given area. So in fact, the number of types of sets being rolled between overland and in delves is maybe going down. This may be even more true given certain piece types (shoulder vs ring) are also now keyed to location/activities. Might not be finding WARLOCK rings and necklaces from open world mob killing anymore.

But really, think it thru... unless you decide to change your carry/sell/decon habits the number of possible results from any given "roll on the loot table" does nothing to the "number of things acquired."



Motifs? Who carries around lotsa different motifs? use them or sell them, right?

materials: Again they aren't increasing the number of materials or the number of nodes per se, just changing how the nodes you find output by level so that now you dont get as many useless mats. The odds you get useless mats is lower but not the number of mats.

So i dont see how your fundamental premise that more new sets,, notifs or scaling materials to your character will impact carry needs vs carrying space limitations at all.

Eweroun

visionality wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

You can save your gold to purchase an additional bank/inventory space in your ingame. Why should you non-subscribers get an unlimited crafting bag that we paid ESO Plus subscribers get?

Non-subsrcibers also pay money for the game, they just do it in a different way. It's not any cheaper if you care to calculate.

then it's not smart not to subscribe... it's a win win for you...
it's a decision you make, and you have to bear with the consequences...

if you have to choose buying a big house you have to clean yourselve or a small one with a cleaning services, you have to bear the concequences..... it's the same in here...


there have already been to much QQ's about this one, so pls don't start over another one..

NewBlacksmurf

There should be a non subscriber crafting bag.
Possibly a bag with only 250-500 slots but this should be an option outside of a required ESO plus subscription.

Buy - limited
ESO plus - virtually unlimited.

jedtb16_ESO

Dread_Viking wrote: »

i am a sub and i have storage problems so it is no just you non bus that have a problem with this

that's what you get for being a hoarder..

Oliviander

I've played the game for a long time without a crafting bag as have many of us.
With 8 chars and bank maxed out in Inventory space everything worked fine.
I needed 4 chars for crafting mats rest was free for equipment.
If this isn't enough you still can open a 2nd account for unbound inventory.
[cheaper than addintional char slots]
The crafting bag is really just conveneince.

Bryanonymous

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

There should be a non subscriber crafting bag.
Possibly a bag with only 250-500 slots but this should be an option outside of a required ESO plus subscription.

Buy - limited
ESO plus - virtually unlimited.

There is one... it's called your inventory.

Gargath

Leave the crafting bags to subscribers only. Let them have something that's only theirs, we (non subs) can handle the issue in other ways . Earn gold and upgrade with gold, the more active player you are the less problem with upgrade you have .

Nysara

Sole purpose of getting ESO+ is the Craft Bag. Sorry but if Non-Subscribers get a one, i'll never sub anymore. Why should i pay for the game of mere %10 buffs?

Sorry but you need to keep upgrading your bank and inventory space. Or empty your inventory so you can run for mats seperately.

This thread is useless in terms of realistic suggestion.

Even giving 100 slots Crafting bag is makes ESO+ useless. Since there is only few mats worth keeping all the time. Rare ones and your most used ones.

Well for an Alchemist if magicka user, you need to only harvest Corn Flower, Water Hyacinth and Lady's Smock. Everything else is optional. Same goes for other professions.

Only bad side is the rare style mats and trait stones. For CP 160+ no need to keep Iron Ores eh?

Oh for selling and hoarding. Well you have to run for a mats exclusively to hoard it. So empty your inventory and harvest!

AlienSlof

Considering the many new sets and potentially more new mats, they really do need to consider increasing bank/bag space. With RNG being the way it is, even though as a subber, I have the crafting bag of holding, I still have to use a mule to store all those part sets that I might want to use, and that number will steadily rise. Between stuff I lock to keep and stuff I store in bank for researching, my bank quickly fills up.

If I had to store mats in there as well, it would just burst and all my characters would have to lug around mats all the time like they did before!

Asardes

Well, you don't actually need to keep all pieces that drop. Just the ones which you either need ATM or have good traits and there is a possibility you would use them at a later date. I deconstruct anything that's not divines (or infused on big pieces that I would use on tanking), weapons that don't have sharpened trait (or powered for healing staff) and sell every jewelry piece with incorrect trait (ex. robust willpower). I never keep multiples of any BoP set piece. If I have 2 divines Malubeth light shoulders or spell power cure sash I deconstruct the extra one. If it's BoE I sell on guild store. I have just one char for set storage and it's more than enough. For the new sets another one will do probably. With mats it's even simpler. Just keep the top tier ones and one stack of the low level ones for each tier up to level 44 - you don't need the last since you will go from 44 to 50 and to CPs pretty quick. Just sell the extra materials that you don't use. I sell extra runes, styling materials and trait stones in stacks. You actually won't need more than one stack of those ever. So another char and the bank are more than enough.

So if you keep them in order you don't really need a crafting bag or something similar. Just keep your inventory in good order.

visionality

Jeez, so many toxic subscribers replying on something that isn't their problem at all!

I'm not calling for crafting bags for non-subscribers - although the notion of a buyable one doesn't strike me as so weird as some commentors.

But with 14 new monster helmet sets, new bound-on-pickup armor sets and new motives including new mats it strikes me as rather obvious that ppl will try to test them and to do so you have to STORE them somewhere until e.g. you have a full new monster helmet set. And yes, you can use mules or a fake guild-bank etc - but is this really necessary when all the developers would have to do is increase available storing space?