Can we have Celestial Motif Drop only in Vet Mode?

Ayantir

Raiders ask that

1 style on the 35

should be looted in vet mode.

Meanwhile, everyone can loot the 34 others in easy areas.

It's only 1 style, it won't kill you.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Ayantir wrote: »

Raiders ask that

1 style on the 35

should be looted in vet mode.

Meanwhile, everyone can loot the 34 others in easy areas.

It's only 1 style, it won't kill you.

If you're referring to me specifically ?
Well, no it won't kill me - I'm not the one who decides anyway - but motif farming is typically an activity that many casuals enjoy and I don't see positively that hardcore players claim part of that activity for themselves. Some sort of counterpart to hardcore players wanting hard content not to be nerfed, because it's their enjoyment.

Also, to be honest, I disagree with the open entitlement here. HL trials MUST bring them money, simply because it has brought them money in the past ? Mmmhhhh... smh.

Ayantir

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

motif farming is typically an activity that many casuals enjoy

Are you REALLY sure of this ? Casuals like easy things. not farming. Only Farmers like to farm, that's all.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Also, to be honest, I disagree with the open entitlement here. HL trials MUST bring them money, simply because it has brought them money in the past ? Mmmhhhh... smh.

Doing Vet mode won't give any money now, compared to normal mode in speedfarming mode.
Limiting this style as loot only in vet mode could help.

Xrucible

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Ayantir wrote: »

Raiders ask that

1 style on the 35

should be looted in vet mode.

Meanwhile, everyone can loot the 34 others in easy areas.

It's only 1 style, it won't kill you.

If you're referring to me specifically ?
Well, no it won't kill me - I'm not the one who decides anyway - but motif farming is typically an activity that many casuals enjoy and I don't see positively that hardcore players claim part of that activity for themselves. Some sort of counterpart to hardcore players wanting hard content not to be nerfed, because it's their enjoyment.

Also, to be honest, I disagree with the open entitlement here. HL trials MUST bring them money, simply because it has brought them money in the past ? Mmmhhhh... smh.

The only BoP change will kill the entire raiding scene after everyone who wants to raid gets their completions and finishes farming for their gear. I don't do something in the game unless it is profitable to me. Top raiding guilds are already talking about going dormant anticipating these changes. Well if that is ZOS's intention then can't really do anything about it.

Taleof2Cities

I'd be OK if the motif was a drop chance in the rest of the Vet trials and Vet dungeons (I assume that's what the OP is aiming at) ...

... but having it only drop in vMoL where only .001% of players complete that sort of content probably wouldn't be fair.

Riga_Mortis

To stop all this back and forth, make everything ingame BoP lol.

/s

Xrucible

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I'd be OK if the motif was a drop chance in the rest of the Vet trials and Vet dungeons (I assume that's what the OP is aiming at) ...

... but having it only drop in vMoL where only .001% of players complete that sort of content probably wouldn't be fair.

Why not? Make it drop at a higher rate in Vet modes and a significantly lower rate in the normal modes. So you could still grind normal modes to get the drop.

Espica

That's greed. And let me tell you something that maybe you don't realize. This game lives on ESO Plus and Crown Store.

Have you ever thought how much real money (that keeps this game alive) the non-hardcore players spend?

Darlon

No. Motifs are cosmetic items, and should not be exclusive for the hardest content.

Gear is a different story, but not motifs.

Destruent

Darlon wrote: »

No. Motifs are cosmetic items, and should not be exclusive for the hardest content.

Gear is a different story, but not motifs.

Open the Spoiler to see, what is exclusively gated behind hardcore-content in this game

goldjewelry of BoP-Sets=+~50 mag/stam compared to purple

So we have a great option to make tons of money and dominate everyone else in combat, wouldn't really be fair to get something else to sell on top of this.

Shadesofkin

Darlon wrote: »

No. Motifs are cosmetic items, and should not be exclusive for the hardest content.

Gear is a different story, but not motifs.

Within reason I tend to agree; I still support unique mounts, skins, and costumes for completion of the hardest content.

Nifty2g

I think it should drop from veteran so you can have the trial community helping the crafting community
i was disappointed when the dromathra dropped in normal cause it can be easily scaled down and just farmed by the crafting community, which it has been.

just seems like a missed opportunity from zos that was not looked in to and the QA team completely forgot you can scale trials down but coffers scale to your level

Twilix01

Nifty2g wrote: »

I think it should drop from veteran so you can have the trial community helping the crafting community
i was disappointed when the dromathra dropped in normal cause it can be easily scaled down and just farmed by the crafting community, which it has been.

just seems like a missed opportunity from zos that was not looked in to and the QA team completely forgot you can scale trials down but coffers scale to your level

They probably aren't worrying about it too much since with One Tamriel, it'll be impossible to scale things down, I tested it myself on PTS, everything everywhere is Champion 160 regardless of what you do.

Mojmir

no

acw37162

Yeah not just no hell no

Oompuh

Nifty2g wrote: »

I think it should drop from veteran so you can have the trial community helping the crafting community
i was disappointed when the dromathra dropped in normal cause it can be easily scaled down and just farmed by the crafting community, which it has been.

just seems like a missed opportunity from zos that was not looked in to and the QA team completely forgot you can scale trials down but coffers scale to your level

100% agree. The oversight on Dro-ma'thra was huge and made it so easy to get. This is the style of the hardest bosses of the game!

GarnetFire17

They want celestial motifs to matriculated thorugh to the public. They don't want to be so rare only a few people have them and if you do want it, you will have to pay 500k gold to get one.

SienneYviete

I like it how people refer to anyone that can complete vet trials as the 1% like what??

Mojmir

no,it's a motif ffs.fins some other way to feed your ego.

Doctordarkspawn

It's a Motif.

A crafting motif.

Get over it. It's not like you cant get it without signifigant effort now. You -must- do normal, you must do it at full blast, get over it. GET OVER IT.

Destruent

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

It's a Motif.

A crafting motif.

Get over it. It's not like you cant get it without signifigant effort now. You -must- do normal, you must do it at full blast, get over it. GET OVER IT.

No, you don't. You can just buy it at the guildstore for a most likely not that high amount of gold within 2...3 weeks.

Doctordarkspawn

Destruent wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

It's a Motif.

A crafting motif.

Get over it. It's not like you cant get it without signifigant effort now. You -must- do normal, you must do it at full blast, get over it. GET OVER IT.

No, you don't. You can just buy it at the guildstore for a most likely not that high amount of gold within 2...3 weeks.

And you could if it dropped on vet. Nothing you are in favor of prevents that.

People bitched when the Dro'mathra motif was obtainable by people who were not raiders. People were not reasonable then. you are not reasonable now. It is a motif. Not a *** trophy. And it shouldn't be.

Destruent

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

It's a Motif.

A crafting motif.

Get over it. It's not like you cant get it without signifigant effort now. You -must- do normal, you must do it at full blast, get over it. GET OVER IT.

No, you don't. You can just buy it at the guildstore for a most likely not that high amount of gold within 2...3 weeks.

And you could if it dropped on vet. Nothing you are in favor of prevents that.

People bitched when the Dro'mathra motif was obtainable by people who were not raiders. People were not reasonable then. you are not reasonable now. It is a motif. Not a *** trophy. And it shouldn't be.

I didn't say it should only drop in vet or anything else, so stop talking like i did so. i just corrected your statement, bc it's just false. You don't need to do any content to get the style. all you need to do, is to search in the guildstores.
In the end i would be happy if there were some raider-exclusive-style (it would be tradeable, so everyone could get it in the end), but i know lots of people wouldn't be happy about it. So it's ok the way it is imo. You also cannot just farm them on lvl 10 anyomre which is great imo.

Izaki

Sounomi wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Remember the Dro'mathra motif? All you had to do was finish nMoL and you were GUARANTEED a motif page once a week per character.
Do you know what was really lame? It took people 10 minutes to figure out that if they made a level 10 character, they could scale nMoL down to level 10 and get like 12 motif pages in a day, then delete the characters and start again the next day.

So you know what would be cool? Getting a motif page for doing a veteran trial and having the option to sell it for good money because the market wasn't flooded with 400g Celestial motifs because jackasses scaled the normal trials down to level 10 and cheesed end game content in 10 minutes.

Except after Update 12, there's no such thing as scaling down. Everything will be C160 with no way to change that (even with solo instances). So no, people won't be cheesing it by down scaling it because they won't be able to.

Personally, I think people running vet trials purely for the sake of making gold is a bad mindset. Besides, what do you need gold for at that point? You're already decked out enough to run the trial on the hardest difficulty so what's left to really spend on? Furthermore, you can make plenty of gold outside of trials anyways. I haven't run trials in months and I'm sitting on more gold than I know what to do with (and no, I don't play the market either, that bores me).

Potions/flowers will turn the 300k you got from a Sun Ring into nothing. The people who run vet trials actually have to fund the trial runs in some way.

Mojmir

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Sounomi wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Remember the Dro'mathra motif? All you had to do was finish nMoL and you were GUARANTEED a motif page once a week per character.
Do you know what was really lame? It took people 10 minutes to figure out that if they made a level 10 character, they could scale nMoL down to level 10 and get like 12 motif pages in a day, then delete the characters and start again the next day.

So you know what would be cool? Getting a motif page for doing a veteran trial and having the option to sell it for good money because the market wasn't flooded with 400g Celestial motifs because jackasses scaled the normal trials down to level 10 and cheesed end game content in 10 minutes.

Except after Update 12, there's no such thing as scaling down. Everything will be C160 with no way to change that (even with solo instances). So no, people won't be cheesing it by down scaling it because they won't be able to.

Personally, I think people running vet trials purely for the sake of making gold is a bad mindset. Besides, what do you need gold for at that point? You're already decked out enough to run the trial on the hardest difficulty so what's left to really spend on? Furthermore, you can make plenty of gold outside of trials anyways. I haven't run trials in months and I'm sitting on more gold than I know what to do with (and no, I don't play the market either, that bores me).

Potions/flowers will turn the 300k you got from a Sun Ring into nothing. The people who run vet trials actually have to fund the trial runs in some way.

I run vet trials and I don't have this cash flow issue.if your only doing trials,that's your problem.

bryanhaas

Xrucible wrote: »

This is just a suggestion to encourage running more vet trial content. Doing Vet trials are no longer going to be a profitable venture now that all trial drops are going to be BoP. Have the motif pages behind the Vet content would actually make it worth while to run the Vet content just to sell the motif pages to cover the cost of running Vet trials.

Maybe have the full book drop from Vet but the pages from normal. I hoping the trials won't be able to be cheesed anymore so hopefully these motifs stay expensive for a while (to encourage participation).

Rittings

Ridiculous suggestion... Elitist to the very core. Quite a lot of crafters focus on JUST that... CRAFTING. As such, they enjoy making gear for people etc and role-playing. Hiding crafting content behind hard content is just try to fill the coffers of a select few.

Isn't it bad enough that a number of elitists already charge for vet runs for skins and achievements etc??? Now you want to more gravitas on their already over-inflated egos?? No thanks.

And by my rant, I don't say ALL good players are like this... its just a select number of them that act like morons.

rustic_potato

Rittings wrote: »

Ridiculous suggestion... Elitist to the very core. Quite a lot of crafters focus on JUST that... CRAFTING. As such, they enjoy making gear for people etc and role-playing. Hiding crafting content behind hard content is just try to fill the coffers of a select few.

Isn't it bad enough that a number of elitists already charge for vet runs for skins and achievements etc??? Now you want to more gravitas on their already over-inflated egos?? No thanks.

And by my rant, I don't say ALL good players are like this... its just a select number of them that act like morons.

@Rittings I dont know why you decided to necro a dead thread to rant and whine about end game PvEers.. Vet trial completions barring vMoL are a joke these days even someone pulling 15k dps can complete them.. If you dont want to pay gold to get carried for skins and achievements my suggestion is to Get Good to do it yourself..

Rittings

rustic_potato wrote: »

Rittings wrote: »

Ridiculous suggestion... Elitist to the very core. Quite a lot of crafters focus on JUST that... CRAFTING. As such, they enjoy making gear for people etc and role-playing. Hiding crafting content behind hard content is just try to fill the coffers of a select few.

Isn't it bad enough that a number of elitists already charge for vet runs for skins and achievements etc??? Now you want to more gravitas on their already over-inflated egos?? No thanks.

And by my rant, I don't say ALL good players are like this... its just a select number of them that act like morons.

@Rittings I dont know why you decided to necro a dead thread to rant and whine about end game PvEers.. Vet trial completions barring vMoL are a joke these days even someone pulling 15k dps can complete them.. If you dont want to pay gold to get carried for skins and achievements my suggestion is to Get Good to do it yourself..

I have all the achievements.... thanks. The "get good" thing is lame to say the least. Just a parroted attempt to mimick the rest of the community. So sad.

As for the necro thread - that's my bad, for some reason it came up in my notifications as current. I should have checked the dates I know - but I didn't... no big deal.

Ourorboros

Xrucible wrote: »

This is just a suggestion to encourage running more vet trial content. Doing Vet trials are no longer going to be a profitable venture now that all trial drops are going to be BoP. Have the motif pages behind the Vet content would actually make it worth while to run the Vet content just to sell the motif pages to cover the cost of running Vet trials.

What an elitist and greedy suggestion.