Troll king and orgnums scales

bovardjeff_ESO

i feel as though i have to bring to light that orgnums scales armor set is now obsolete! troll king only requires 2 peices of armor and gives a FAR LARGER regeneration bonus.
after trying it on pts i discovered that just using the helmet set without any other regen sets i passed what i used to get with orgnums scales.

bovardjeff_ESO

please zos , i understand the use of helmet sets BUT your hurting crafted armor sets! many of them are going obsolete cause you keep introducing dropped sets that do the same thing or very similar thing but do FAR BETTER.

IxSTALKERxI

Wouldn't using both of them together synergize well with each other? Since the 5 piece is a % bonus that would increase the large flat bonus from the 2 piece?

Ivan04

They would synergize greatly since Troll gives base regen and Orgnum's gives percentage increase.
But I do believe devs should address some useless crafted armor, Alessia's Bulwark, for example, is quite underwhelming for a 5-trait set.

Xsorus

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Wouldn't using both of them together synergize well with each other? Since the 5 piece is a % bonus that would increase the large flat bonus from the 2 piece?

Correct; Though not sure how much it'll be worth it because you're already going to be pushing Health Regen a lot..But with Ogrims it should be around 6k+ below 60% health. That's only with Troll Kings as well...

Not sure i'd wanna give up the damage for it.

Vaoh

2x Troll King
5x Orgnum's Scales
5x Beekeeper's

Gg with your 10K health regen -_-

Wing

Vaoh wrote: »

2x Troll King
5x Orgnum's Scales
5x Beekeeper's

Gg with your 10K health regen -_-

well, you cannot do anything else. . .I might recommend it for a noob, or a tank, or a noob tank.

Destruent

Wing wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

2x Troll King
5x Orgnum's Scales
5x Beekeeper's

Gg with your 10K health regen -_-

well, you cannot do anything else. . .I might recommend it for a noob, or a tank, or a noob tank.

That's 5k heal/second without being affected by battlespirit. Sounds really funny in PvP on a blazing-shield-templar

EnOeZ

bovardjeff_ESO wrote: »

i feel as though i have to bring to light that orgnums scales armor set is now obsolete! troll king only requires 2 peices of armor and gives a FAR LARGER regeneration bonus.
after trying it on pts i discovered that just using the helmet set without any other regen sets i passed what i used to get with orgnums scales.

So Troll King does also apply to yourself right ? Can you confirm please ?
Does it proc on active heal only or also on healing over times ticks too ?

Thanks for feedback @bovardjeff_ESO !

bovardjeff_ESO

ON YOURSELF IT WORKS AND YES IT WORKS ON HOTS AS WELL
Note: i activated it with ritual of retribution

bovardjeff_ESO

so YES and YES

bovardjeff_ESO

oh and keep in mind PERMAFROST SET instead of beekeeper
gives 800 health regen with a damage shield......pretty easy to keep procing one just use weapon enchant or if your a tank use the gap close morph with the shield
as i never got the full set i dont know if it works with absorb shield too

bovardjeff_ESO

and thank you @EnOeZ
but ya keep in mind i think helm sets are overpowered as they proc WAY TO OFTEN FOR supposed 5 % chance procs when silver bolts had that percent for banish and i saw it proc once in a while and yes it was all on vamps)

bovardjeff_ESO

considering crafted sets require 5 peices for their most interesting bonus it would be best if they were more powerful

EnOeZ

Thanks for reply @bovardjeff_ESO !

You said on Hots too, but really wonder if it words on hots ticks.
The situation I have in mind : I pop rally while I am at 100% life and incur 40% damage, does the set activates without any further any action from my part ?

Thanks a lot for all your replies and info !

Xsorus

For Blazing Shield Templar you basically just wanna do a

Nord - 5 Perma Frost/5 Fasalla/2 Troll Kings

That's what i'm planning on doing with mine.

acw37162

Not to point out the obvious but this update while very cool in many ways takes a faint steaming dump on crafting.

The dropped sets are generally better in many cases then crafted equivalent and the come in jewelry.

I love the weapon and jewelry itemization changes they are awesome and a breath of fresh air but they shine a bright glaring light on the lack of jewelry crafting

And will also shine a bright light on just how terrible RNJ is.

PenguinInACan

I've tested troll king/beekeprs/green pact and with troll king proccing off of rapid on self heal i can hit 11k hp regen on a dk. 9.4 k on a mag templar. Haven't fought a DPS that could kill me in a duel yet.

Probably a terrible build in open world but for duels its practically unkillable with a lingering hp pot and s/b ult.

Destruent

PenguinInACan wrote: »

I've tested troll king/beekeprs/green pact and with troll king proccing off of rapid on self heal i can hit 11k hp regen on a dk. 9.4 k on a mag templar. Haven't fought a DPS that could kill me in a duel yet.

Probably a terrible build in open world but for duels its practically unkillable with a lingering hp pot and s/b ult.

Can you kill anyone with this build in a duell?

AhPook_Is_Here

It's all additive right? you could stack it with troll king and if you can get the jewelry the vMSA set with a ton of regen on it too. Does regen bypass defile? Stacked health with that on a templar blazing shield build might be good for some laughs.

PenguinInACan

Destruent wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

I've tested troll king/beekeprs/green pact and with troll king proccing off of rapid on self heal i can hit 11k hp regen on a dk. 9.4 k on a mag templar. Haven't fought a DPS that could kill me in a duel yet.

Probably a terrible build in open world but for duels its practically unkillable with a lingering hp pot and s/b ult.

Can you kill anyone with this build in a duell?

Only if they get carried away with executes/dps at the end of their rotations for spiked bone shield/blazing to do the dps. Otherwise everyone (including myself) just gets bored and leaves the duel.

Also running Absorb Mag from S/B skill line heals for 6-7K running 60k hp when hit from spell projectile, practically rendering ranged mag attacks useless.

With Troll King/Orgnums/Radiant Aura


With Orgnums/Radiant Aura


Base with Radiant Aura


@ZOS_GinaBruno Is it intended for players to reach these types of HP regen? If so it renders duels useless as someone running this build can tank indefinitely until the opposing player forfeits.

PenguinInACan

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

It's all additive right? you could stack it with troll king and if you can get the jewelry the vMSA set with a ton of regen on it too. Does regen bypass defile? Stacked health with that on a templar blazing shield build might be good for some laughs.

Health debuffs do effect HP regen. However on a templar one purify will cleanse it and also proc troll king.

I don't believe troll king should proc on self heals because thats a two piece set that can add 700 hps on any stam/mag build running vigor/rally/purify/rapid regen etc ON TOP of the heal from the ability.

And it is additive with orgnums, green pact, beekeeprs, barkskin, etc.

bovardjeff_ESO

Many skills/armor sets in game state they proc on an ally but also proc on you.....been happening very early on and seems if they change troll king it would force them to do so for many other sets like fasallias etc......i kind of approve though XD
but i do want a high regen build just without a helmet set!!!!

Xsorus

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

I've tested troll king/beekeprs/green pact and with troll king proccing off of rapid on self heal i can hit 11k hp regen on a dk. 9.4 k on a mag templar. Haven't fought a DPS that could kill me in a duel yet.

Probably a terrible build in open world but for duels its practically unkillable with a lingering hp pot and s/b ult.

Can you kill anyone with this build in a duell?

Only if they get carried away with executes/dps at the end of their rotations for spiked bone shield/blazing to do the dps. Otherwise everyone (including myself) just gets bored and leaves the duel.

Also running Absorb Mag from S/B skill line heals for 6-7K running 60k hp when hit from spell projectile, practically rendering ranged mag attacks useless.

With Troll King/Orgnums/Radiant Aura


With Orgnums/Radiant Aura


Base with Radiant Aura


@ZOS_GinaBruno Is it intended for players to reach these types of HP regen? If so it renders duels useless as someone running this build can tank indefinitely until the opposing player forfeits.

To be fair most people stand zero chance of killing a 60k Hp Templar in a duel anyway. With or without the hp regen

EnOeZ

PenguinInACan wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

It's all additive right? you could stack it with troll king and if you can get the jewelry the vMSA set with a ton of regen on it too. Does regen bypass defile? Stacked health with that on a templar blazing shield build might be good for some laughs.

Health debuffs do effect HP regen. However on a templar one purify will cleanse it and also proc troll king.

I don't believe troll king should proc on self heals because thats a two piece set that can add 700 hps on any stam/mag build running vigor/rally/purify/rapid regen etc ON TOP of the heal from the ability.

And it is additive with orgnums, green pact, beekeeprs, barkskin, etc.

I think it should, tired of being forced to slot Vigor as stamina.
Desperately need to free up as much slots as possible as DK.

Ivan04

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Is it intended for players to reach these types of HP regen? If so it renders duels useless as someone running this build can tank indefinitely until the opposing player forfeits.

Any class can tank indefinitely, not just with health regen.

PenguinInACan

EnOeZ wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

It's all additive right? you could stack it with troll king and if you can get the jewelry the vMSA set with a ton of regen on it too. Does regen bypass defile? Stacked health with that on a templar blazing shield build might be good for some laughs.

Health debuffs do effect HP regen. However on a templar one purify will cleanse it and also proc troll king.

I don't believe troll king should proc on self heals because thats a two piece set that can add 700 hps on any stam/mag build running vigor/rally/purify/rapid regen etc ON TOP of the heal from the ability.

And it is additive with orgnums, green pact, beekeeprs, barkskin, etc.

I think it should, tired of being forced to slot Vigor as stamina.
Desperately need to free up as much slots as possible as DK.

If it should it should be properly annotated in the tooltip.

At present the tooltip specifies "allied players under 60% HP." Unfortunately most of the testing on PTS is done in duels currently, and open world PvP, where this set would be the most utilized, is empty (from what I have seen).

Regardless if I think it should or shouldn't proc on self heals, the tooltip should reflect what happens in game, rather than forcing us to run the set to see if it might work.

PenguinInACan

Ivan04 wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Is it intended for players to reach these types of HP regen? If so it renders duels useless as someone running this build can tank indefinitely until the opposing player forfeits.

Any class can tank indefinitely, not just with health regen.

As I only have the most experience on mag templar/don't participate in many duels, I am not familiar with the tanking ability of other classes.

If you can tank on a NB/Sorc/DK indefinitely in a duel without running HP regen then your opponent isn't running DPS indicative of a proper duel build, or you are running a build specifically designed to tank all types of incoming damage (mag AND stam) without HP regen, which I don't believe should be available. Not running high HP/HP regen and being able to tank any fight indefinitely means you will have ONE major damage resource running a decent pool/regen.

What I'm mostly trying to get across with this build is you can tank ANY type of damage, for an indefinite amount of time, regardless of the build you are fighting (dot/debuff/burst stam/burst mag). That shouldn't be possible. I've tested the build against some of the highest DPS builds that I've come across and haven't died once.

Integrating duels with the current metas/obscene numbers you can push in ANY resource pool (stam/mag/hp) seems rushed with the way the game is balanced currently.

bovardjeff_ESO

@PenguinInACan One must only look at sets already in live to tell that items working on ALLIES usually work on yourself as well.......for instance there is one set that gives crit resist when you heal an ally.....it says pretty much exactly that...it works on yourself.......really the ONLY sets in game that work best in group REQUIRE SYNERGY USE...as in hiting X for the synergy.

bovardjeff_ESO

Also willing to bet sets like stendarrs work on yourself as well.......at this point i just assume if it says helps an ally I GUESS I AM AN ALLY TO MYSELF XD

PenguinInACan

Xsorus wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

I've tested troll king/beekeprs/green pact and with troll king proccing off of rapid on self heal i can hit 11k hp regen on a dk. 9.4 k on a mag templar. Haven't fought a DPS that could kill me in a duel yet.

Probably a terrible build in open world but for duels its practically unkillable with a lingering hp pot and s/b ult.

Can you kill anyone with this build in a duell?

Only if they get carried away with executes/dps at the end of their rotations for spiked bone shield/blazing to do the dps. Otherwise everyone (including myself) just gets bored and leaves the duel.

Also running Absorb Mag from S/B skill line heals for 6-7K running 60k hp when hit from spell projectile, practically rendering ranged mag attacks useless.

With Troll King/Orgnums/Radiant Aura


With Orgnums/Radiant Aura


Base with Radiant Aura


@ZOS_GinaBruno Is it intended for players to reach these types of HP regen? If so it renders duels useless as someone running this build can tank indefinitely until the opposing player forfeits.

To be fair most people stand zero chance of killing a 60k Hp Templar in a duel anyway. With or without the hp regen

But there are SOME that can kill a 60K HP Templar in a duel. I haven't found ONE that can kill this build.

Now there are probably builds out there with the burst/sustain/dots available to kill this build, but from the testing I have done against the extremely high burst (stam AND mag) builds I have dueled, this build has not died once.

Playstyles need to be able to be countered by other playstyles. Good players should be able to recognize a skill rotation/DPS type and react accordingly to potentially win the duel. This setup gives none of those opportunities. Even with full heal debuffs/armor and spell resist debuffed I can heal from 20% to 100% in a few seconds by hitting rapid regen....that doesn't even include the shields I can cast with the resources I'm not using to heal because HP regen is doing it for me.