Give us more weapon skills options: Bound weapons and Bound Bow

alephthiago

I heard spellcraft was ready when he left, like.....it shuldnt be difficult to implement if they really wanted

Rykmaar

alephthiago wrote: »

I heard spellcraft was ready when he left, like.....it shuldnt be difficult to implement if they really wanted

You're right. The problem is they don't want to. For a game that promises players the ability to be effective however you want to play, they do a pretty good job of putting every player into a box with limited options.

lucky_Sage

they should add something cause it does gimp melee magic builds do to having duel wield by losing a lot of magicka control they need a spellsword skill line or change one of the crappy mages guild moves to convert stam weapon to magicka but only the light and heavy attacks not the skill line abilities

Faulgor

Rykmaar wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Rykmaar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

1) destro line separated into 3 elements
2) add "conjure" skill line and add bound bow, bond sword, summon spectre, with an ultimate.

Summon attronach? :oknot:

Maybe an conjuration line which allows you to summon daedra or skeletons and a 2h weapns or a bow (doing the same than 2h and bow lines but with a cost in magicka instead of stamina per skill... and magic dmg)

The schools should be in this game without question. THey killed off spellcrafting, so we can't expect ZoS to give us a true TES experience.

Not completely killed off, pushed back after housing if I recall correctly. I am just a little concerned HOW will they even implement it? Just seems like it might be too easy to make broken skills unless it shows up being very very limited (Like only being able to tweak your own class skills from limited options).

The presentation they did on it in 2014 made it seem pretty robust. Basically, every base spell had 5 "morphs" that you could craft. It's not a free system like Morrowind or Oblivion, but allows for a lot of variety.
I hope they pick it up again soon. It's been 10 years since we've had a TES game with spellcrafting, which is just ridiculous imo as it has been a staple of the series before Skyrim.

Yeah. Agreed.

Let's take a step back though and think about this. They kicked down a vibrant gameplay mechanic in favor of one they can monetize in the cash shop.

Spellcrafting would help the diversity issue, and it is needed. Badly.

Put that in, and address light armor to give a decent reason to wear it, and many of us will be happy.

I can understand that they wanted to get really large changes to the base game like Veteran Rank removal and One Tamriel finished before they add another huge system. But now it's about time. It should follow housing as the next system update.

alephthiago

Rykmaar wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

I heard spellcraft was ready when he left, like.....it shuldnt be difficult to implement if they really wanted

You're right. The problem is they don't want to. For a game that promises players the ability to be effective however you want to play, they do a pretty good job of putting every player into a box with limited options.

Yeah, i remember all that talk about "having a longsword in one bar and then changing to staff for ranged" when the game launched.....
Today hybrid builds (other than tanks) are almost non existant, there is that one dude that uses pelynal but mostly its just a standard 2handed build with some magical glitter lol

Rykmaar

alephthiago wrote: »

Rykmaar wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

I heard spellcraft was ready when he left, like.....it shuldnt be difficult to implement if they really wanted

You're right. The problem is they don't want to. For a game that promises players the ability to be effective however you want to play, they do a pretty good job of putting every player into a box with limited options.

Yeah, i remember all that talk about "having a longsword in one bar and then changing to staff for ranged" when the game launched.....
Today hybrid builds (other than tanks) are almost non existant, there is that one dude that uses pelynal but mostly its just a standard 2handed build with some magical glitter lol

That's exactly correct. Hybrid builds aren't competitive in PvE, so ZoS's own "play as you want" notion is bull. That's like telling someone that they hav ethe freedom to be ineffective--but play it off as if you actually are. Scummy marketing.

Rykmaar

Faulgor wrote: »

Rykmaar wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Rykmaar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

1) destro line separated into 3 elements
2) add "conjure" skill line and add bound bow, bond sword, summon spectre, with an ultimate.

Summon attronach? :oknot:

Maybe an conjuration line which allows you to summon daedra or skeletons and a 2h weapns or a bow (doing the same than 2h and bow lines but with a cost in magicka instead of stamina per skill... and magic dmg)

The schools should be in this game without question. THey killed off spellcrafting, so we can't expect ZoS to give us a true TES experience.

Not completely killed off, pushed back after housing if I recall correctly. I am just a little concerned HOW will they even implement it? Just seems like it might be too easy to make broken skills unless it shows up being very very limited (Like only being able to tweak your own class skills from limited options).

The presentation they did on it in 2014 made it seem pretty robust. Basically, every base spell had 5 "morphs" that you could craft. It's not a free system like Morrowind or Oblivion, but allows for a lot of variety.
I hope they pick it up again soon. It's been 10 years since we've had a TES game with spellcrafting, which is just ridiculous imo as it has been a staple of the series before Skyrim.

Yeah. Agreed.

Let's take a step back though and think about this. They kicked down a vibrant gameplay mechanic in favor of one they can monetize in the cash shop.

Spellcrafting would help the diversity issue, and it is needed. Badly.

Put that in, and address light armor to give a decent reason to wear it, and many of us will be happy.

I can understand that they wanted to get really large changes to the base game like Veteran Rank removal and One Tamriel finished before they add another huge system. But now it's about time. It should follow housing as the next system update.

One can only hope.

Mettaricana

Hate to break bad news bit bound armaments is bound weapons and it sucks

alephthiago

Yeah....we are talking about a new weapon skill line actually

Asardes

There are less magic weapons skills because most class skills that deal damage lack stamina morphs. So magicka builds are actually expected to use those preferentially while stamina builds will mostly use the weapon skills. So I don't really see a problem here. There is actually a bound bow skill in one of the class skill lines.

alephthiago

Asardes wrote: »

There are less magic weapons skills because most class skills that deal damage lack stamina morphs. So magicka builds are actually expected to use those preferentially while stamina builds will mostly use the weapon skills. So I don't really see a problem here. There is actually a bound bow skill in one of the class skill lines.

Excluding pure dots for obvious reasons
Magicka dks have 1 skill with no stamina morph (flame whip)
Magicka nbs have 1 skill with no stamina morph(swallow soul)

I know very well the classes i play on.

alephthiago

Asardes wrote: »

There is actually a bound bow skill in one of the class skill lines.

There isnt, assassins will is a gimmick that requires 4 light/heavy in a 20 sec window and then you can fire a shot and its gone.....
Nothing even close to what is being proposed, you should play mDk or mNB more.

DocFrost72

I can see just literally adding a mesh for this. Maybe when creating any weapon, you also use a glyph?

How this works; when crafting a sword you use rubedite, bone, citrine (sharpened, I think? Check pls), and a glyph of magicka. Once made, you could improve it with magicka glyphs per quality or even 8 kuta, more simply. Voila, bound sword. This could also make staves physical, if ZoS could figure out a way to make a more monk orieneed class.

I'm onboard, OP.

alephthiago

DocFrost72 wrote: »

I can see just literally adding a mesh for this. Maybe when creating any weapon, you also use a glyph?

How this works; when crafting a sword you use rubedite, bone, citrine (sharpened, I think? Check pls), and a glyph of magicka. Once made, you could improve it with magicka glyphs per quality or even 8 kuta, more simply. Voila, bound sword. This could also make staves physical, if ZoS could figure out a way to make a more monk orieneed class.

I'm onboard, OP.

This was proposed early too and i really like it, if anything at least its some improvement to combat variety.

Jar_Ek

Isn't there going to be a serious balance issue if you can suddenly craft magicka based weapons and call them bound? Suddenly magicka have 6 weapon skill lines and the lions share of the class skills. Surely it would be much better to make a new bound weapons line, or to split destruction into separate elements, or to add a new magicka weapon line (such as 1h+talisman).

Rykmaar

Asardes wrote: »

There are less magic weapons skills because most class skills that deal damage lack stamina morphs. So magicka builds are actually expected to use those preferentially while stamina builds will mostly use the weapon skills. So I don't really see a problem here. There is actually a bound bow skill in one of the class skill lines.

If you are talking about merciless resolve that restricts access to this ability to one class.

Players need more options, period. Magicka users need more weapon options. Stamina users need more class options.

alephthiago

Jar_Ek wrote: »

Isn't there going to be a serious balance issue if you can suddenly craft magicka based weapons and call them bound? Suddenly magicka have 6 weapon skill lines and the lions share of the class skills. Surely it would be much better to make a new bound weapons line, or to split destruction into separate elements, or to add a new magicka weapon line (such as 1h+talisman).

I personally dont want to use all weapons lines that stam users do, just a dual wield line would be enough for me, magical bow being a plus.

About balance, they dont need to be OP, like having skills stronger than wrecking blow or snipe for example...

TheHsN

could be DUAL STAVES option size are more little but they are more affective...

u can use very good dual enchantments too... one gives spell damage other is flame damage could be very good:D...

Bubba566

I personally would love to see bound weapons in ESO. I thought the bound weapons system was cool in Skyrim and I would like to see it more like Skyrim than oblivion... Like I said though either way is fine because this would make a stamina scorc infinitely more viable.

Asardes

As if stamina sorc wasn't already very viable.

alephthiago

Asardes wrote: »

As if stamina sorc wasn't already very viable.

it is, for sure