Poison whip and poison standard

mr1sho

I'm not letting this argument go Poison whip would nice skill a stam dk can use I don't know why it's such a big deal or how it will be game breaking sheesh you magic dks need to share

susmitds

Not all. Then Stamina NBs would go obsolete.

TheDarkRuler

I'd agree the self-heal whip would fit the stam-dk better.
Standard however i think should remain fire.

dsalter

susmitds wrote: »

Not all. Then Stamina NBs would go obsolete.

with the amount of NB's in the game, this wouldnt be such a bad thing

mr1sho

The thing is stam dks rely heavy on weapons to define them as a class which I see as a problem giving up two or 3.morphs will not hurt magic dks

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO

Whip, standard and eruption...would be great to have poison versions of these.

bottleofsyrup

I was actually just thinking earlier a poison morph for Standard would be great. Rework Shifting for it. As cool as a Poison Whip would be (imagine whipping people with that bright green!) Wrobel will never let that happen.

Draxys

I understand stam DKs wanting morphs, but the problem with a lot of the skills is that both morphs are extremely useful and there would be an uproar and even a lot of builds ruined by taking some and making them stam/poison. I would rather see stone fist and morphs switched to a melee stamina skill entirely before taking one morph of whip and making it stam.

Asmael

Poison morph of standard and whips, how to say it...

There's this little thing called "balance", as much as I like my stam DK, I'd like to be able to play something else without being relegated to "loser of the month" LOTM, thank you.

code65536

People have been asking for a stamina whip since forever, and Wrobel has gone on the record saying that they don't want to add it.

And I don't think they should. Stamina builds are all about the weapon lines, after all.

Also, it's hilarious to suggest buffing the class that is already the most powerful.

Doctordarkspawn

susmitds wrote: »

Not all. Then Stamina NBs would go obsolete.

They pretty much -are-.

But hey, you guys still have magicka.

mr1sho

code65536 wrote: »

People have been asking for a stamina whip since forever, and Wrobel has gone on the record saying that they don't want to add it.

And I don't think they should. Stamina builds are all about the weapon lines, after all.

Also, it's hilarious to suggest buffing the class that is already the most powerful.

I disagree count how many stam abilities stam dk has and compare it to magic it's way lopsided

Pandorii

How would giving up stuff not hurt a class? xD Plus, stam DKs are already top in many domains, and mDKs are at the bottom.

If this were to be viable, sDKs would have to sacrifice something that makes them strong. mDKs would have to get something strengthened to balance what they've lost, broadly speaking.

Honestly though, it does make sense to go the full 9 yards with poison damage so the dk class could work like magicka dk does with sticking fire dots and making enemies take more damage from fire. The problem lies in the strength that stamina has as a class type overall.

I'm glad I'm not the lead combat director. Class balance is a daunting task.

Asmael

mr1sho wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

People have been asking for a stamina whip since forever, and Wrobel has gone on the record saying that they don't want to add it.

And I don't think they should. Stamina builds are all about the weapon lines, after all.

Also, it's hilarious to suggest buffing the class that is already the most powerful.

I disagree count how many stam abilities stam dk has and compare it to magic it's way lopsided

It's not about the number of stamina or magicka abilities, besides you have way over 20 stamina abilities, and a lot of magicka abilities that are utility only and benefit both sides.

Stamina DKs do not need a buff in PvP nor PvE, poison standard would be an absolutely gross buff to the strongest PvE ultimate for DDs ingame, to a class that is already considered the #1 in terms of damage. Magicka DKs need both morphs of the whip as well.

So... nope.

Lokryn

Sure, as long as I get a magic damage Dragon Leap.

RoyJade

Let's think about stamina morph for sorc before, stam DK already have a strong ultimate (one for pvp and one for pve, even with fire damage standard is their best ulti), one good debuff and a really strong dot buffed by maelstrom weapons. A stamina morph for standard or whip would break some magicka build, non of their morph is bad ATM (which is rare).

Asgari

Will never happen. This would just further add to stam DK dominance in PvE and pvp .. Thankfully zos knows this and won't make such changes

Izaki

mr1sho wrote: »

The thing is stam dks rely heavy on weapons to define them as a class which I see as a problem giving up two or 3.morphs will not hurt magic dks

You seen stam sorcs? Yeah.

code65536

mr1sho wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

People have been asking for a stamina whip since forever, and Wrobel has gone on the record saying that they don't want to add it.

And I don't think they should. Stamina builds are all about the weapon lines, after all.

Also, it's hilarious to suggest buffing the class that is already the most powerful.

I disagree count how many stam abilities stam dk has and compare it to magic it's way lopsided

Um. That's every stam class.

If you're stamina, you primarily rely on weapon abilities.

If you're magicka, you primarily rely on class abilities.

If you want to give every stam class more class abilities, then there also needs to be more weapon options for magicka.

And, frankly, it's fine the way it is right now.

Wollust

So basically you want to make one of the strongest class specs in the game even stronger?

mtwiggz

mr1sho wrote: »

The thing is stam dks rely heavy on weapons to define them as a class which I see as a problem giving up two or 3.morphs will not hurt magic dks

Would not hurt MagDK? Quite possibly the worst class in the game currently? You want to take even more skills away from it? Might as well call this a nerf thread.

StamDK has a very great load out. Three amazing dots, some of the best heal passives in the game that synergize with Vigor very well, great survivability from passives and active skills, great physical damage ultimate, very versatile magicka dump skills, etc.

OrphanHelgen

i love it pls make this happend

Bandit1215

I would be ok giving a Stam whip, standard and eruption as long as the magicka versions were buffed because as it stands, they are ***.

FailSaucePro

Yeah, let's push stam dks closer to 70k dps.

juhasman

mr1sho wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

People have been asking for a stamina whip since forever, and Wrobel has gone on the record saying that they don't want to add it.

And I don't think they should. Stamina builds are all about the weapon lines, after all.

Also, it's hilarious to suggest buffing the class that is already the most powerful.

I disagree count how many stam abilities stam dk has and compare it to magic it's way lopsided

And count how many offensive weapon skillines is stamina based then You'll understand why there will be never more then just a few stam morphs of class abilities and why some class abilites will never get stam morphs. About ultimates stam dk already have 1 ultimate that scales better for stamina user which is leap so it's enough. Stamina dk is currently one of the top for PvE and PvP when mDK struggle with problems of sustain dmg and survivality and You want to make stamina stronger by making magicka weaker? #Ballanced

Bdawwg

You guys want a stam inhale too? And stam wings for sure those would be hella useful. Meanwhile you have what 4 weapon lines to choose from.

Cously

Maining a mag DK since day 1 I wouldn't be against a stamina morph for whip. I only use Molten, lash is nice but there are better heals in our arsenal as magicka builds. Shifting standard is really situational and I don't think live up to its potential, it could be turned to Standard of Swampy lofl. I think of all classes the DK is the only one that matters and is still a beast even after its 57 nerfs. It deserves the most love and resources and has the best potential for magicka and stamina, those skill lines could be better organized. We are awesome without an execute and a proper burst (you need to cast 1212171721979 skills before whip can hit as a "burst" which make it useless in pvp if you are fighting someone with a brain) but we could use those two as an extra flavour. DK is love. DK is life.

Aquanova

Bdawwg wrote: »

You guys want a stam inhale too? And stam wings for sure those would be hella useful. Meanwhile you have what 4 weapon lines to choose from.

This^......

When Magicka dk is on par with other class then I'd be interested in getting a stam whip.....maybe

Voxicity

Please buff one of the highest hitting classes in pve











ok

MrAppleman

@Bdawwg while I don't necessarily agree with OP. I think some of the morphs for class abilities for dk could be a little better for stam/magic dk.
I would love to see leap viable as a mdk.
However I do not think dps wise stam dk needs anything.i love my stam dk as is. Already a strong class. Very tough and capable of pulling insane deeps.

That being said even though there are 4 weapon skill lines you can only use 2 of them at one time. So having access to four is not the same as having access to class abilities in addition to weapon skill lines.

Granted this seems like a fair trade-off between magicka and stamina in my opinion.

Bdawwg

Cously wrote: »

Maining a mag DK since day 1 I wouldn't be against a stamina morph for whip. I only use Molten, lash is nice but there are better heals in our arsenal as magicka builds. Shifting standard is really situational and I don't think live up to its potential, it could be turned to Standard of Swampy lofl. I think of all classes the DK is the only one that matters and is still a beast even after its 57 nerfs. It deserves the most love and resources and has the best potential for magicka and stamina, those skill lines could be better organized. We are awesome without an execute and a proper burst (you need to cast 1212171721979 skills before whip can hit as a "burst" which make it useless in pvp if you are fighting someone with a brain) but we could use those two as an extra flavour. DK is love. DK is life.

Don't you dare take my flam lash from me. Molten is pve flame lash is pvp.