ZOS Please be consistent, we need Cloak Fatigue, but only if you Fix it.

Vythri

Randomgamers wrote: »

ZOS Please be consistent, we need Cloak Fatigue.

Roll dodge Fatigue
Streak Fatigue
We need Cloak Fatigue but only if you fix cloak first.
GIVE US PURGE BACK TO CLOAK!!!

So many Dots, PSNs, and not to mention stupid stuff that pulls you out of cloak, because you guys cant figure it out.
No class should be perma cloaked, sorry magicka NBs but come on, yes then you will need a buff to other skills.

SIMPLE FIX :

Cloak will now have a Fatigue where if you cast it again within 3-4 secs it will increase the cost by X Amount.
Cloak will now Purge everything ( purge has a 15-20 sec Cooldown )

If you do that, then you probably should give a stamina morph to cloak as well. I'd probably be able to cast about only 2 cloaks before my magicka would be gone.

icontrive

With all the ways to counter cloak, you want to put a cost increase on it? Did you ever think about people that actually enjoy the ability to stay perma-cloaked? It is one of the funnest ways to play eso. Make cloak like how streak is now and you will *** off more people than you will please.

Jade1986

Cloak has limitations in ALL other mmos, no reason it should be different here. I was always baffled taht ZoS allowed perma cloaking.....

Stoopid_Nwah

laced wrote: »

Cloak has limitations in ALL other mmos, no reason it should be different here. I was always baffled taht ZoS allowed perma cloaking.....

That reasoning is lackluster...by that logic, other elder scrolls games would let me levitate across red mountain whenever I felt like, so let's go ahead and put that in eso.
There's no reason whatsoever that eso should be some replica of other mmos; I'm not here to play the elder scrolls version of wow .

Tormy

There are so many counters to cloak lol a fatigue would be the nail in the coffin IMO.

BruhItsOver9000

No no no no NO! Leave nightblades alone, you put a fatigue on cloak, stamina nightblades will be [snip]. I and many people use cloak as an offensive skill, Cloak + surprise attack. Putting a fatigue on cloak would ruin that play style.

Lava_Croft

If you introduce Cloak fatigue, then something has to be done about the endless array of direct counters to Cloak, or introduce the same type of counters to dodge rolling and Streak.

At this point, no ability in the game has more counters than Cloak, yet threads like this still pop up.

Berenhir

I would be ok with a fatigue to cloak, if AOEs wouldnt break cloak any more.

The most annoying problem about cloak is lag. I cast cloak, stay cloaked for 1 sec and then get hit by sth because the accuracy of ESO is only about 2-3 seconds in normal cyrodiil rendering real time fighting a complete illusion.

outsideworld76

Skills are broken because of lag, that's why spmetimes things work and other times they don't ZOS doesn't know how to synchronize. PvP won't be fixed until they sort out this issue with lag and synchronization.

CapuchinSeven

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

I can't even count the amount of times anymore in which i had a dot, curse, maglight on a guy

You can't count the number of times because it doesn't happen.
SO many ways to break cloak, I literally don't know where I'd start to list them.

ManDraKE

if a nighblade cloaks 3 times in front of you, then is your fault. No need to change cloak, any decent player won't let you cloak, even less if it is a stamsorc.

zuto40

mageblades and magic dks are the weakest classes atm they do NOT need any nerfs, they need BUFFS

Master_Kas

Yes do that If they make it work and not broken/unusable by magelight and gapclosers

Mayrael

Before streak nerf I called for the same cost increase for roll dodge and cloak. Dodge did get it, now its time for cloak. Good. Yes it should be fixed so no single target skill can break it no matter what, only AoE skill should do it + revealing skills wchich are already AoEs. How to do it? Add atrribute to each attack type like stealth_breaker, if someone is damaged by skill with that attribute set to 0 even if something goes wrong like ping, lags, delays this skill dont break the cloak even though it did hit. This would solve the problem of dots (though I dont mind dots being surpressed or purged when cloaked - BUT ONLY DOTS NOT ALL NEGATIVE EFFECTS), delayed hits and sucha...

CapuchinSeven

Mayrael wrote: »

Before streak nerf I called for the same cost increase for roll dodge and cloak. Dodge did get it, now its time for cloak. Good.

Good? It's not happening, no one has said anything.
There are already COUNTLESS ways to stop cloak spam.

Brutusmax1mus

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

No to OP. NB mages really should keep permacloak. That IS their key difference.

Which is cheap, just like streak used to be. No class should have a skill with which they can chicken out of every fight if they start losing.

I promise you could not always chicken out of a fight against any good player who knows how to counter cloak. Maybe once in a while if you're lucky. I love eating night blades on my Templar, sorc, and dk. The only class that doesn't have a class skill counter is night blades. And they kind of do with fear.

Xvorg

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Before streak nerf I called for the same cost increase for roll dodge and cloak. Dodge did get it, now its time for cloak. Good.

Good? It's not happening, no one has said anything.
There are already COUNTLESS ways to stop cloak spam.

Well, if you put a DoT on a NB, you will see the "miss" message wherever he goes... it is quite useful and sometimes cheaper than any other counter.

cschwingeb14_ESO

Streak has no counters? ........................./sigh

Just plain NO to NBs getting a complete purge. DoTs and debuffs need to be harder to cleanse in this game. We don't need more extended ritual type skills that make debuffs useless

Vaoh

Sorcs were given Streak fatigue, and ZOS decided to break the skill later on by bugging it out. No longer provides forward momentum, ruining your speed on all but perfectly flat terrain.

I say leave cloak without the Fatigue, as we shouldn't have soft cooldowns on any skill. Very stupid concept.

Rohamad_Ali

We need fatigue on all abilities . No more spammable abilities . All abilities have minimum 3 sec cool down . No animation canceling anymore . Problem solved .

Dojohoda

Leave cloak alone, except to fix it. Cloak has been nerfed too much already.

CapuchinSeven

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

Streak has no counters? ........................./sigh

Just plain NO to NBs getting a complete purge. DoTs and debuffs need to be harder to cleanse in this game. We don't need more extended ritual type skills that make debuffs useless

It doesn't purge, at all.

IF you are spending magic to spam the ability then the damage will be reduce to zero but the dot still ticks and you have to spam it.

It's frustrating to hear people talking about cloak being changed while having no idea of what it is that they are actually having trouble with. There are two issues that people are seeing and cloak isn't the issue, one is shade teleport and the other is Stamblades.

On my Stamblade (I run mag and stam blade builds) I can dodge roll, dodge roll, dodge roll, then cloak, and if I'm not away from you I can dodge roll again, keeping this up until I'm out of AOE range or sight. The ONLY way a Magblade can get away from you is by crazy cloak spam or because they managed to crawl tooth and nail out of your AOE in time. Nerf cloak, good job you've nerfed yet another magic build and you still have the problem you had in the first place with stamina builds (my Stamblade would laugh off a higher cost in a short time frame because my stamblade can't and more importantly doesn't need to spam it), only now we've all just about given up and either quit (I would, I really would) or rolled stamina like everyone else.

The other is the limited range, limited time frame shade teleport which makes people think the NB has hit cloak when really they were too stupid to stand near the shade.

ManDraKE

Vaoh wrote: »

Sorcs were given Streak fatigue, and ZOS decided to break the skill later on by bugging it out. No longer provides forward momentum, ruining your speed on all but perfectly flat terrain.

I say leave cloak without the Fatigue, as we shouldn't have soft cooldowns on any skill. Very stupid concept.

the main problem with streak is that is very delayed when there is some lag, and that you can only streak foward (in the past you could streak to the direction you were pointing to), so if you are rooted, streak is useless, and since you can get permarooted/immobilized...

Stoopid_Nwah

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

The other is the limited range, limited time frame shade teleport which makes people think the NB has hit cloak when really they were too stupid to stand near the shade.

This. I can't count the number of times I'm able to put down a shade, jump in and kill someone, teleport out and just watch them spam aoes in that one area while the shade is shooting at them...heck I have even been able to drop that in the middle of a melee fight with some stam sorcs, roll dodge twice then teleport and disappear, leaving them clueless.

And how you described cloaking around decent players as a light armour magnb is spot on (if I don't use shadow image). It's a bit like-break CC, roll, cloak breaks, roll, cloak breaks, roll, cloakcloakcloakcloak mashing because it breaks each second, oom trying to get into stealth behind a wall or cliff with a half open detected eye .

zuto40

cloak is so hard to use with everyone spamming aoes and its still breaking from gap closers

Omgwtfbbq321

Being able to permanently cloak is the only reason I play my mageblade. Once the fight starts, it's hard to use it. I just enjoy being free to roam where ever I like, regardless of enemy flag NPCs.

Cloak is never a problem when I'm fighting a nighblade. Detect/immovable pots, Boundless storm, streak, curse, Caltrops (I build to have utility stam) normally does the job.

I don't see a problem. Although I can only talk from a Templar/Sorc/Nightblade prospective. I'd much prefer to face a mageblade than a stamblade as well. Least the Magicka ones are slow when you find them lol.

Rage_Killin

Reasons why I think cloak needs a nerf:

It doesn't.

Jimboo84

DOTS doesn't help. Magelight never worked when you're even near... The current status elemental effects are lost once he/she's in't cloak. It's annoying.

Stoopid_Nwah

Jimboo84 wrote: »

DOTS doesn't help. Magelight never worked when you're even near... The current status elemental effects are lost once he/she's in't cloak. It's annoying.

DOTS were never meant to take us out of cloak, the problem is that half the time they do anyway...and continue to break it as the DOT ticks.

If you're using inner light, keep in mind the range is very short so you would need to be in melee range of the nb. If they used shadow image, there is very little chance you will be in that range.

The best advice I can give would be: if you're only using mages light to prevent nbs/gankers then pick radiant, detection pots work wonders and don't alert the nb that you know where they are (unless you walk right over to him then the detection eye will start opening), aoes are phenomenal for keeping the nb out of cloak, if you see a shade or are being hit with an arrow then keep an eye on where it is (high chance that the nb will teleport over to it).

ManDraKE

Jimboo84 wrote: »

DOTS doesn't help. Magelight never worked when you're even near... The current status elemental effects are lost once he/she's in't cloak. It's annoying.

DoT's are not supossed to break cloak. Some of them still do it, but is a bug

Magelight works, but the range is small, same with evil hunter. You won't pull people out of cloak at 10meters away, magelight is to decloak people cloaking close to you in mid combat, used properly is very effective.
If you use magelight as an anticloak tool, pick the other morph, you can spam it and you are imposible to gank while slotted.