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Children & Player Housing
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »So my husband and I were talking this morning about the bizarre lack of children in Tamriel. Yet another thing ZOS refuses to explain. They were a huge part of Skyrim and while some of them were incredibly annoying (much like children in real life) and led to the development of the infamous "killable children" mod it just really kills immersion to be walking through a bustling city, well patrolled by guards, and not see any children. So we came up with an idea!
Although ZOS is still refusing to even start talking about what they have planned for player housing I think it's a good bet that you'll be able to buy things for it. Lots of people have already discussed being able to place their pets in their house and let them roam within the confines of the house and their mounts in stable outside. I'd LOVE to see my horse out cropping grass in my yard!
So... what if one of the things you could buy for your house are...children? You buy a "kid token" (for whatever outrageous fee in crowns they decide to charge) and then you can enter character creation, choose from one of, say, three age groups (toddler, child, teen?) and then literally create them just as you would a regular character, race, class, etc. Then they'd be in your house and you could interact with them much as you could in Skyrim. They could do small amounts of gathering for you, ask you for money (because what kid doesn't do that????), you could tell them to do their chores or bring them gifts (what else are all those crazy and terrifying dolls we steal good for?), and just have some fun emote interactions for them. I realize not a ton of people would jump on this but for those who found children charming and a fun addition to Skyrim this could be a fun way to revisit that and make ZOS some cash all at once.
What do you think? Suggestions for improvement? Suggested pricing?
Hm, not teen - teenage is a very modern thing which developed in the midst of the 1950s - the children of Tamriel would work already at that age and not stay at home with their parents. And the other children are best kept behind the property walls, I am not fond to see nasty annoying children like in Skyrim. This is not normal, this is a fail in parenting, if they are like this. Not to talk about that parents would certainly not let them run around freely in a world with this extremely high murder rate like in Tamriel.
The children of Skyrim charming?- the only one, which had half-ways manners was the daughter of the vegetable merchant in Whiterun - all others were just awful - the one who said "did you know that there are flower which actually grow better in the cold" when she passed by.Edited by Lysette on August 19, 2016 11:03PM1 -
Lara1701✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »Remember that I'm not actually talking about adding NPC children to cities. I'm talking about adding them as an option to player housing, like you could adopt a kid in Skyrim and then the kid lived in your house and there were a few fun interactions you could do with it. So while I think it's indeed weird that there are no children in cities, that's not actually what's being addressed here.
Heck, even World of Warcraft has kids. It's something we're used to from single player games in the Elder Scrolls. Personally, I'd love to see them added to the main game and find it bizarre they weren't included from the start! That being said, your idea of adoptable kids for player housing like in Skyrim would be pretty cool and add some fun immersion."M'aiq knows much, and tells some. M'aiq knows many things others do not."
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »Remember that I'm not actually talking about adding NPC children to cities. I'm talking about adding them as an option to player housing, like you could adopt a kid in Skyrim and then the kid lived in your house and there were a few fun interactions you could do with it. So while I think it's indeed weird that there are no children in cities, that's not actually what's being addressed here.
Heck, even World of Warcraft has kids. It's something we're used to from single player games in the Elder Scrolls.
To be fair, Skyrim was the only TES game with children, and they were horribly done.
I'm all for adding children NPCs to Tamriel and I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, but it is common for TES games to leave them out.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »1. Children. How is the lack of children an issue. Why would Zos waste their time explaining such a small thing that only an extreme few even think about.
2. Housing - just like anything else, Zos will discuss more about housing when they're ready. A big reason is timing to get the biggest marketing effect.
OP seems to have a very confrontational tone towards Zos in a manner that seems she is trying to force Zos to saying someone. It isn't going to work. Zos doesn't reply well to brute force.
What are you talking about? I saw nothing wrong with op post definitely not confrontational or brute force towards zos? Seems like an idea someone had with a question. Kind of blowing it out of proportion aren't we?2 -
Lara1701✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »Remember that I'm not actually talking about adding NPC children to cities. I'm talking about adding them as an option to player housing, like you could adopt a kid in Skyrim and then the kid lived in your house and there were a few fun interactions you could do with it. So while I think it's indeed weird that there are no children in cities, that's not actually what's being addressed here.
Heck, even World of Warcraft has kids. It's something we're used to from single player games in the Elder Scrolls.
To be fair, Skyrim was the only TES game with children, and they were horribly done.
I'm all for adding children NPCs to Tamriel and I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, but it is common for TES games to leave them out.
Common for games from the 90s through 2005. Skyrim was 2011 and with ESO in 2014, is there really any reason children shouldn't exist?"M'aiq knows much, and tells some. M'aiq knows many things others do not."
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Lynnessa✭✭✭✭Wow, i never actually noticed the lack of children in all of Tamriel. That is interesting. I wonder why that is.
The children are currently away indefinitely, caring for all the deer and glowbugs that used to be in Cyrodiil. Before the deer and bugs left Cyrodiil, the children were preparing a space for them to go.2 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you go to Cyrodiil and witness the behavior of some people there or read zone chat, you would know that Tamriel actually has too many children in this game.
I really like OP's idea though. If only ZOS put that kind of quality into new game features. Then they might actually be worth the $30 to $40 they charge for the simplistic and cheap-looking items they sell now.
HAH! So true!
I don't think I'd pay for a kid though. I will however sell you the two that I currently have - CHEAP!1 -
Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »Remember that I'm not actually talking about adding NPC children to cities. I'm talking about adding them as an option to player housing, like you could adopt a kid in Skyrim and then the kid lived in your house and there were a few fun interactions you could do with it. So while I think it's indeed weird that there are no children in cities, that's not actually what's being addressed here.
Heck, even World of Warcraft has kids. It's something we're used to from single player games in the Elder Scrolls.
To be fair, Skyrim was the only TES game with children, and they were horribly done.
I'm all for adding children NPCs to Tamriel and I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, but it is common for TES games to leave them out.
Arena had children
Edited by Daemons_Bane on August 20, 2016 10:45PM1 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »Remember that I'm not actually talking about adding NPC children to cities. I'm talking about adding them as an option to player housing, like you could adopt a kid in Skyrim and then the kid lived in your house and there were a few fun interactions you could do with it. So while I think it's indeed weird that there are no children in cities, that's not actually what's being addressed here.
Heck, even World of Warcraft has kids. It's something we're used to from single player games in the Elder Scrolls.
To be fair, Skyrim was the only TES game with children, and they were horribly done.
I'm all for adding children NPCs to Tamriel and I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, but it is common for TES games to leave them out.
Arena had children
Well that's weird. I only played Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim, but I looked around and found no information on Arena having children before posting.
But okay then. The majority of modern TES games don't have children
Still, no reason for them not to be on ESO. There are plenty of quests that speak of them, too. And to be honest, when ESO was announced, I was expecting to see some non-human children since Skyrim only had human children.Edited by Abeille on August 20, 2016 10:58PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
nbksaske✭✭✭Children? do we forget the fable scandle and leading kids into the woods, dont kid yourself, stupid idea, zeni have more important things to consider than kids in the game ffs0 -
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I don't know where you're from but failed parenting (lack of, bad, etc.) is normal and there are mothers that just let their little kids do whatever as long as it's not bothering them. This happens in the hoods with a high murder rate too.This is not normal, this is a fail in parenting, if they are like this. Not to talk about that parents would certainly not let them run around freely in a world with this extremely high murder rate like in Tamriel..
[Edit to remove off topic real-world chatter]Edited by [Deleted User] on August 21, 2016 2:01AM0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Directed to this thread from elsewhere. Seems to be a better place to discuss it.
I actually have a problem witb ZOS selling us children. Given the rabid attention they give the crown store, this would not end well. Children in gamble bags. Special children available limited time only. Different races and colors coming in and out of the store. It would just seem wrong. It would end up being not like Adoption. More like a puppy mill.
ZOS should givenus only free base game kids, which means no kids.
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Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Directed to this thread from elsewhere. Seems to be a better place to discuss it.
I actually have a problem witb ZOS selling us children. Given the rabid attention they give the crown store, this would not end well. Children in gamble bags. Special children available limited time only. Different races and colors coming in and out of the store. It would just seem wrong. It would end up being not like Adoption. More like a puppy mill.
ZOS should givenus only free base game kids, which means no kids.
So now you are resorting to bringing up 3 week old threads to soapbox your opinion about the crown boxes? Can't you keep it on the 105 page thread and not bring it into EVERY conversation? We get it - you are against the crown boxes.Edited by Bouldercleave on September 15, 2016 6:03PM1 -
LaiTash✭✭✭That's because if ZoS ever decides to add children, the first thing the community will do is petition to make them killable. Yep, it's a terrible world we live in.0
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Ebonheart1111✭✭✭Does every fantasy world need to be a mirror of reality? People drag their little monsters everywhere, invading every possible space, forcing you to acknowledge their little "miracles" while you are peacefully minding your own business and now you want to bring them to ESO too?
No thanks. Keep those creatures in your own realm.1 -
Elderpatriot✭✭✭I do not think it is really necessary to give players the option to adopt and take care for virtual children ingame. However i would like to see some children-NPCs in the open world. There are a lot oft quests having family issues involved in Tamriel. It seems strange that all of those persons are already grown up.
Does it forfill a special purpose in terms of gameplay? No.
Would it bring benefit for the immersion? Yes, i think it would.
Elder Scrolls is a game with its roots deep into the RPG-genre, so the online version tries to do recreate this feeling for an online audience. Adding something to make Tamriel feel more real and less artificial is always something to consider in my eyes.
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Because people don't want to see a 35 year old man teabagging little kids in a game?3 -
mwo1480✭✭✭✭if they ever put children in eso
1 they should be inmortal (as ppl will kill them otherwise)
2 they should all have a family (can't bare it to see homeless children, not even in games)
3 they should make a special place on the forum where we could put screenshots of players who mis-use emote's on child npc (u know what i mean)
problem is they have to input new text for some npc who have to interect with children and stuff and that will (zenimax knowing) give much server problemseu/pc
every char has a story
anne-susan ...breton sorch DC
seline kay .... bosmer dk AD
julia-noor ...bosmer temp DC
elle wolf .... breton temp AD
Mari-Lynn.... woodelf nb AD former empress
Mari-chan... woodelf warden AD
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Ebonheart1111✭✭✭Are you even reading what you are saying? This is getting ridiculous... Would you really want ZOS to dedicate time and resources into creating child models of every races, strategically placing them around the world, and having to edit quests/storylines/dialogue to include something that only a tiny fraction of players would even care to acknowledge? Talk about bizarre1
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »Kids as npcs only..
And people would do horrible things to em. I mean i know i would spend at least 15 minutes swinging my sword at their heads (i never got over how annoying they were in skyrim)1 -
Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Kids as npcs only..
And people would do horrible things to em. I mean i know i would spend at least 15 minutes swinging my sword at their heads (i never got over how annoying they were in skyrim)
There's limits to how much you can do to them when they are invulnerable.. And I can hardly see what harm it would do if you wasted your life and money swinging an imaginary sword at kids' heads in a video game1 -
Pheefs✭✭✭✭✭
because Perverts.MornaBaine wrote: »bizarre lack of children in Tamriel. Yet another thing ZOS refuses to explain.
does that help?
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Kids as npcs only..
And people would do horrible things to em. I mean i know i would spend at least 15 minutes swinging my sword at their heads (i never got over how annoying they were in skyrim)
There's limits to how much you can do to them when they are invulnerable.. And I can hardly see what harm it would do if you wasted your life and money swinging an imaginary sword at kids' heads in a video game
Example, it was.
Um ok! Vomit emote on em! T bag, their heads at crotch level yes? People are inventive (but these things ZOS couldn't allow for rating and popularity reasons)0 -
Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Kids as npcs only..
And people would do horrible things to em. I mean i know i would spend at least 15 minutes swinging my sword at their heads (i never got over how annoying they were in skyrim)
There's limits to how much you can do to them when they are invulnerable.. And I can hardly see what harm it would do if you wasted your life and money swinging an imaginary sword at kids' heads in a video game
Example, it was.
Um ok! Vomit emote on em! T bag, their heads at crotch level yes? People are inventive (but these things ZOS couldn't allow for rating and popularity reasons)
If people can get all sour puss over someone using a vomit emote on a kid made of data bits, maybe they should lock themselves up in their basement.. The world is a cruel place indeed, if that's all it takes for you1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Kids as npcs only..
And people would do horrible things to em. I mean i know i would spend at least 15 minutes swinging my sword at their heads (i never got over how annoying they were in skyrim)
There's limits to how much you can do to them when they are invulnerable.. And I can hardly see what harm it would do if you wasted your life and money swinging an imaginary sword at kids' heads in a video game
Example, it was.
Um ok! Vomit emote on em! T bag, their heads at crotch level yes? People are inventive (but these things ZOS couldn't allow for rating and popularity reasons)
If people can get all sour puss over someone using a vomit emote on a kid made of data bits, maybe they should lock themselves up in their basement.. The world is a cruel place indeed, if that's all it takes for you
Not me personally...
But Haven't you seen America today? Saying im a male can be found offensive sexist etc...
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✭✭I pretty much avoid anything related to America.. That country has gone nutty anyway..1 -
undefeatdgaul✭✭✭you are spot on and they should most definitely have them. I had those 2 kids I adopted in skyrim and I used to love bringing them gifts. would be sweet if they could gather stuff for you also depending on what class they were. and having an NPC wife that would have a store like skyrim would be awesome too. I should definitely be able to marry an NPC like skyrim1 -
Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭undefeatdgaul wrote: »you are spot on and they should most definitely have them. I had those 2 kids I adopted in skyrim and I used to love bringing them gifts. would be sweet if they could gather stuff for you also depending on what class they were. and having an NPC wife that would have a store like skyrim would be awesome too. I should definitely be able to marry an NPC like skyrim
The spouse part was a bit boring.. Not really much purpose besides RP0
