Icereach PC NA (Mulaamnir/Kyne/BWB NA PC - Final)

Sungod

I only gold my weapons. Gear and enchants are purple. Jewlery is white.
Do you play mula?

Stridig

Wait.... people really DO gold stuff out in non vet??? I thought that was just a really long joke that we trash talked each other about. OMG hahahahaha.

GhostofDatthaw

Stridig wrote: »

Wait.... people really DO gold stuff out in non vet??? I thought that was just a really long joke that we trash talked each other about. OMG hahahahaha.

How am I supposed to pwn noobs without gold gear you idiot

ffs some people

Stridig

Git Gud. That would be a start.

Necronhex

Yep and this is the insanity of people playing non-vet.
Actually golding out gear to Nuke Noobs.
Pretty low par.
Not to say very expensive....
Reroller heaven though....
This what non cp has brought us reroller culture.

anamenobodyelsehas

Stridig wrote: »

Git Gud. That would be a start.

GhostofDatthaw

Stridig wrote: »

Git Gud. That would be a start.

Did you just assume my skill level?

GhostofDatthaw

I just can't believe that someone gold's weapons but leaves jewelry white. Probably gold enchants, I guess it doesn't matter at all really if it's base trait... Rak will like that, GOLD JEWELS FOR OTHER TRAITS THO FOOL

anamenobodyelsehas

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

Git Gud. That would be a start.

Did you just assume my skill level?

Stridig

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

Git Gud. That would be a start.

Did you just assume my skill level?

Yes

GhostofDatthaw

That's sexist

Beaverton

what's wrong with being sexy?

Beaverton

What, no Spinal Tap fans out there?

anamenobodyelsehas

Beaverton wrote: »

What, no Spinal Tap fans out there?

Raknosh

anamenobodyelsehas wrote: »

Beaverton wrote: »

What, no Spinal Tap fans out there?

Says the old man!

W0lf_z13

- looks around -

An_An

Usual salt incoming
I love this campaign and have defended it in many threads in the past when people talk about re rollers and how they farm in Kyne.

After playing for a couple of weeks (after a 6 month gap) , I finally came across an opponent who seemed extremely new. For two weeks my solo ass has been getting kicked around by guilds. That’s probably not new or unexpected.

What is new is that I was playing AD. I know what you all think, that AD is the Zerg faction with unskilled players. That is probably true. What you may not know is that there are a ton of new players on AD. They really don’t know things we take for granted.

What is also new is that I was in a faction of noobs playing against DC. That is not something I would recommend. I don’t know what it is about DC, but I have never been hit by more dawn breakers, meteors , destro ults and you name it. These skills do not belong in kyne. And even if you use them, you don’t have to use them when you are 3 and I am 1. You can probably kill me with light attacks alone. And FYI , if you are emperor and fighting someone 1v1, you shouldn’t really have to meteor them as well.

Is anyone else sick of this ? Tired of fighting overgeared players who (I admit) are decently skilled. If I’m having this experience (and I like to think that I am of average skill) then can you imagine what a new player must be like ?

I think ZOS should close this campaign and convert it into a no CP 7 day campaign. That is what we need. I don’t think there is any point to keeping Kyne limited to below 50 anymore.

New players will always have access to incredible buffs which are essential in no CP gameplay. They can learn decently and eventually gear vet toons.

If you want to grind meteor and other skills, that’s fine. Atleast fight me on common ground then. Bring your best and let me bring mine. Let’s fight, have a nice post fight conversation and be friends. I am well aware that all this is too much to ask for.

ColoursYouHave

Honestly, they should just scale any gear above blue quality down to blue quality. Meteor and DB aren't that big of a deal if the people using them don't significantly out-gear the people they're fighting. I can't imagine it would be that difficult to implement either given that scaling already exists as a prominent feature of the game.

Bonus points if they stealth nerf it so people waste money making gold gear without getting any benefit.

ShenaniganSquad

i would love a 7 day non cp... that would be great

Lumsdenml

An_An wrote: »

Usual salt incoming
I love this campaign and have defended it in many threads in the past when people talk about re rollers and how they farm in Kyne.

After playing for a couple of weeks (after a 6 month gap) , I finally came across an opponent who seemed extremely new. For two weeks my solo ass has been getting kicked around by guilds. That’s probably not new or unexpected.

What is new is that I was playing AD. I know what you all think, that AD is the Zerg faction with unskilled players. That is probably true. What you may not know is that there are a ton of new players on AD. They really don’t know things we take for granted.

What is also new is that I was in a faction of noobs playing against DC. That is not something I would recommend. I don’t know what it is about DC, but I have never been hit by more dawn breakers, meteors , destro ults and you name it. These skills do not belong in kyne. And even if you use them, you don’t have to use them when you are 3 and I am 1. You can probably kill me with light attacks alone. And FYI , if you have emperor and fighting someone 1v1, you shouldn’t really have to meteor them as well.

Is anyone else sick of this ? Tired of fighting overgeared players who (I admit) are decently skilled. If I’m having this experience (and I like to think that I am of average skill) then can you imagine what a new player must be like ?

I think ZOS should close this campaign and convert it into a no CP 7 day campaign. That is what we need. I don’t think there is any point to keeping Kyne limited to below 50 anymore.

New players will always have access to incredible buffs which are essential in no CP gameplay. They can learn decently and eventually gear vet toons.

If you want to grind meteor and other skills, that’s fine. Atleast fight me on common ground then. Bring your best and let me bring mine. Let’s fight, have a nice post fight conversation and be friends. I am well aware that all this is too much to ask for.

When you first started playing, was it any different? It wasn't for me. I was rolled solo by everyone I came across. They had better gear and more skill than I did. Why did I just not quit pvp and go pve? Why did you stay? We probably have a similar story... probably the same as 95% of the other people who pvp on ESO. We died. A lot. Then we started grouping with others. Then we found a guild or a friend to help us with builds or gear. We learned. Disbanding the under 50 campaign will not change the need for new players to do that. Disbanding the under 50 campaign will also not change the fact that there will always be a percentage of new pvp players who do not want to learn through continually being rolled and will quit, regardless of what campaign they start in.

Lumsdenml

Beaverton wrote: »

What, no Spinal Tap fans out there?

My amp goes to 11...

An_An

Lumsdenml wrote: »

When you first started playing, was it any different? It wasn't for me. I was rolled solo by everyone I came across. They had better gear and more skill than I did. Why did I just not quit pvp and go pve? Why did you stay? We probably have a similar story... probably the same as 95% of the other people who pvp on ESO. We died. A lot. Then we started grouping with others. Then we found a guild or a friend to help us with builds or gear. We learned. Disbanding the under 50 campaign will not change the need for new players to do that. Disbanding the under 50 campaign will also not change the fact that there will always be a percentage of new pvp players who do not want to learn through continually being rolled and will quit, regardless of what campaign they start in.

I agree with you Lums. People will always get rolled playing solo and some people will quit. That is not unexpected and I am used to it.

But I am getting tired of fighting guilds who are overgeared and grind out these skills. I mean, I've been in these guilds, I know that grinding out dawnbreaker is considered a normal thing to do... They have normalized grinding top tier skills for Kyne... so I don't really blame any specific individual... They're just doing what their friends are ...

Kyne was always intended so that people who have pvp'd longer don't get an unfair advantage over new players. I think it is safe to presume that this core idea has been compromised. Most people who play in Kyne now are re-rollers, so why not?

Also, having a vet no CP campaign would mean you can finally stop deleting characters. I'm sure guilds would improve the quality of their play as well. You will also have access to undaunted gear .. etc etc ... its really a win win either way ... the only thing that will change is that now everyone will gold their gear ... that will create balance. Sotha is kind of overcrowded now and is a 30 day campaign ... I'm sure a lot of people would also like to play in a 7 day campaign especially one without faction locks

Necronhex

It’s not normal though to collect books and get ice comet at level 10 have a horse at 60 at 10 ,because it was designed to do as you went at end game.This is a culture that has sprung up from rerollers who if went into over 50s would have their asses handed to them.
Reroller culture has a lot to answer for.
If ZOS is listening it might be wise to ban all gold and purple armour for under 50 game play.

Fur_like_snow

I don’t know anyone who doesn’t play multiple campaigns(thnx faction lock). But you're welcome to message me your @ name/platform if you wanna try to hand me my ass though.

Beaverton

I don't think deleting the under 50 campaign is the answer. If it was converted to a no cp 7 day, more people would have all those skills and gold gear and new players would get rolled even more. It would be even more discouraging to start PVP before level 50 or even cp160.

If they could implement it, the blue gear cap would go a ways toward leveling the field in below 50. The skill discrepancy would still be huge so good players would still wreck. New players would still have to learn to block meteor which is what they should learn in Kyne. They would still learn that skill is the most important advantage so playing and dying against good players is the best way to improve as long as the fights last long enough to learn something.

It would also be an interesting experiment-see who would move on and who would quit. How long would it take to repopulate the ecosystem once apex predators are removed.

Alchimiste1

I think the 7 day no cp is the way to go. New players wont really get better by fighting the "good" kyne players. If you want to get better you'll need to reflect on what you did and what you could've done better, if the only thing that comes to mind is get better gear or grind out more skills then there's a problem.

Here are some of the problems(off the top of my head) with kyne/mulaamnir in terms of balance:

1) battle scaling is ridiculous. 500+ extra weapon and spell damage from a gold 2h/staff more with dual wield(from purple to gold)
2) If you are like most people who use alliance potions then Stam >> mag. you need tri potions to sustain stam on mag
3) Templars are at a disadvantage(no major resistances until later levels)






It is far more cost efficient for new plays to only have to gold out one set of weapons at max level so that they can be on even standing grounds with other players.I am fairy certain you will get better in a much shorter time playing in vet campaigns than under 50.

**On a side note, and I mean this in the nicest way possible but ... I can think of maybe 3 (top tier kyne players) people who would actually be considered good in vet**
- not saying the rest don't have the potential to become better but when you just db someone at near full health and go immediately into execute because of gear differences . . . well you wont be getting better.

Making mulaamnir a 7 day no cp, without faction locks would benefit everyone imo.

Alchimiste1

okay bump that 3 up to like 5-7ish.
Most people that come to mind are AD
FOR THE QUEEEN! ad best alliance!

Adenoma

A lot of the old top tier kyne players don’t play anymore. Most folks just play vet now. I know
I only rolled through recently to level a stamcro.

There are a ton of former nonvet players that are extremely strong in vet now. Lots of their names are just so old that folks here don’t know them anymore.

Alchimiste1

oh I know, was thinking more the people who only play in kyne or for the most part play in kyne. Which is why I said that there are people with the potential to become really good players in vet too. scratch that not in vet too , in "sotha" because vivec is unplayable rn. Im done with that place.

ColoursYouHave

A big issue with the gear discrepancy is that it makes it more difficult to judge how good you actually are relative to other players. If we go under the assumption that non-vet is supposed to be the place for new players to learn PVP (which I’m not 100% sure if I agree with, but that’s a whole different discussion), then having a huge difference in gear quality makes it really difficult for new players to know how good or bad they actually are. If a player wearing green or blue gear loses a fight, how are they supposed to know if the player the lost to is better than them or if they just have significantly better gear. If somebody in lower-quality gear is consistently running into people who out-gear them, they may think that they’re worse than they actually are. Likewise if somebody running high-quality gear is steamrolling people with low quality gear, they may think they’re better than they actually are.

Capping gear at blue quality would at least level the playing field in terms of arbitrary advantages so new players can have a better understanding of how well they’re actually performing relative to their peers.