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Minor Slayer VS. Agility & Willpower
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Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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minor slayer and with changes in the upcoming dlc, affects all mobs in dungeons and trials.Champion Rank 515
Characters:
Cp160 Mag Sorc
Cp160 Mag Templar
Cp160 MagBlade
Cp 160 Mag DK
Cp160 Stamplar
Cp160 Stam DK
Cp160 Stam NB
Cp160 Stamsorc0 -
Minute_Waltz✭✭✭Definitely minor slayer over agility, typical stam dps has close to 4k WD, the loss of agil is negligible.
But for minor slayer vs willpower im not too sure, since most mag builds only have 2k-2.5k SD, taking away 186 seems to be alot. Do we have any calculation/game test to back this up?0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Minute_Waltz wrote: »Definitely minor slayer over agility, typical stam dps has close to 4k WD, the loss of agil is negligible.
But for minor slayer vs willpower im not too sure, since most mag builds only have 2k-2.5k SD, taking away 186 seems to be alot. Do we have any calculation/game test to back this up?
Did you look at the first response in this thread?
Addendum: Also, do not forget that, in addition to adding WD/SD, Agility/Willpower also adds to your max stat pool. While stamina players have substantially more WD than magicka users have SD, they also have substantially less max stam than magicka users have max magicka. So, contrary to your initial statement, the tradeoff with Agility is actually quite similar to the tradeoff with Willpower. In either case, though, Minor Slayer prevails.Edited by code65536 on August 12, 2016 3:15AMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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clv✭✭✭Minute_Waltz wrote: »Definitely minor slayer over agility, typical stam dps has close to 4k WD, the loss of agil is negligible.
But for minor slayer vs willpower im not too sure, since most mag builds only have 2k-2.5k SD, taking away 186 seems to be alot. Do we have any calculation/game test to back this up?
from experience 3pc aether is a tad better. it cut a minute off my vma score over willpower, so
38 > 37.1 -
Minute_Waltz✭✭✭Minute_Waltz wrote: »Definitely minor slayer over agility, typical stam dps has close to 4k WD, the loss of agil is negligible.
But for minor slayer vs willpower im not too sure, since most mag builds only have 2k-2.5k SD, taking away 186 seems to be alot. Do we have any calculation/game test to back this up?
Did you look at the first response in this thread?
Addendum: Also, do not forget that, in addition to adding WD/SD, Agility/Willpower also adds to your max stat pool. While stamina players have substantially more WD than magicka users have SD, they also have substantially less max stam than magicka users have max magicka. So, contrary to your initial statement, the tradeoff with Agility is actually quite similar to the tradeoff with Willpower. In either case, though, Minor Slayer prevails.
Apologies, didn't realise your first post was a link instead of a statement lol. Read through your test post (really nice work btw) but couldnt see if major sorc/brut mentioned anywhere, id assume the extra 186 sd would also get buffed by another 20% with major sorc, is that enough to catch up to the 1% difference to 3pc minor slayer (moondancer)?
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Minute_Waltz✭✭✭Minute_Waltz wrote: »Definitely minor slayer over agility, typical stam dps has close to 4k WD, the loss of agil is negligible.
But for minor slayer vs willpower im not too sure, since most mag builds only have 2k-2.5k SD, taking away 186 seems to be alot. Do we have any calculation/game test to back this up?
from experience 3pc aether is a tad better. it cut a minute off my vma score over willpower, so
38 > 37.
Nice! Im still struggling getting my mag nb through the whole arena without rage quit in between lol0 -
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This is really good imo and as it should be!
Finally a 3-piece bonus has surpassed Willpower/Agility, even if it is difficult to obtain and only stronger is group dungeons/trials.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Minute_Waltz wrote: »id assume the extra 186 sd would also get buffed by another 20% with major sorc, is that enough to catch up to the 1% difference to 3pc minor slayer (moondancer)?
But your base spell damage would receive the same buff. I did do another set of tests with a spell power buff active, but I omitted it from the post for the sake of brevity since the results were basically the same--the shift was only 0.1% with Infallible and 0.2% with Moondancer.Edited by code65536 on August 12, 2016 9:04AMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information1
