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A Magicka Vicious Serpent
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Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
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Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
you mentioned 6 sets for stam, 7 for magica
seriously though you guys get shields/ranged dps/annulment >.> and VO was in my opinion better before they updated it. it's a very, very old set. So why mention it?
Edited by Ep1kMalware on August 9, 2016 12:41AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The fact that you and I made pretty much the same thread at pretty much the same time, as well as at least 1 other stam vs mag thread still going on 1st page, pretty much proves the point.6 -
peniku8✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
you mentioned 6 sets for stam, 7 for magica
seriously though you guys get shields/ranged dps/annulment >.> and VO was in my opinion better before they updated it. it's a very, very old set. So why mention it?
A hail VO, best dps, best sustain, best mobility
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Have you seen vicious serpent and velidreth on a Stam Nightblade?
Both sets together have a 10% chance to instantly cancel the subscription of their victim.
Imagine if magicka had two sets to proc instant extra damage without a stupid lich crystal that people just walk away from.
Even with battle spirit that crap is way over 10K.
@Wrobel is incompetent, he needs to go. Miserable. Failure.
Edited by Minalan on August 9, 2016 2:14AM7 -
Gilliamtherogue✭✭✭✭✭
✭Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
Moondancer does both. Insane damage and potential of insane sustain. You can even backbar dual wield swords and have the bonus linger on your main bar without the 5pc active. You have options, learn to use them. Also, viper and red mountain both lose to Twice Born Star, which casters also have access to.Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
Moondancer does both. Insane damage and potential of insane sustain. You can even backbar dual wield swords and have the bonus linger on your main bar without the 5pc active. You have options, learn to use them. Also, viper and red mountain both lose to Twice Born Star, which casters also have access to.
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✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
you mentioned 6 sets for stam, 7 for magica
seriously though you guys get shields/ranged dps/annulment >.> and VO was in my opinion better before they updated it. it's a very, very old set. So why mention it?
A hail VO, best dps, best sustain, best mobility
idk, 2leki/2kena5vo/3alkosh/1 vmsa bow in precise was freaking bomb prior to the update
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✭✭✭✭SienneYviete wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
Moondancer does both. Insane damage and potential of insane sustain. You can even backbar dual wield swords and have the bonus linger on your main bar without the 5pc active. You have options, learn to use them. Also, viper and red mountain both lose to Twice Born Star, which casters also have access to.
QFT
Who activates synergies in solo PVP?
How is that 5% boss damage going to help PVP?
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✭SienneYviete wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
Moondancer does both. Insane damage and potential of insane sustain. You can even backbar dual wield swords and have the bonus linger on your main bar without the 5pc active. You have options, learn to use them. Also, viper and red mountain both lose to Twice Born Star, which casters also have access to.
QFT
Who activates synergies in solo PVP?
How is that 5% boss damage going to help PVP?
Solo PvP? Wear Amberplasm.Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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✭✭✭Where's the stamina vicious death? Or the stamina Kagernak's? I want stuff too!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Ch4mpTW You are correct.
This is easy for me to see personally. If trying to make good Magicka builds, there are only a handful of sets I truly consider. When making good Stamina builds, there are so many different ways to build around sets that are all effective. Magicka needs a few more of those unique sets that are worth using.1 -
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✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
you mentioned 6 sets for stam, 7 for magica
seriously though you guys get shields/ranged dps/annulment >.> and VO was in my opinion better before they updated it. it's a very, very old set. So why mention it?
A hail VO, best dps, best sustain, best mobility
idk, 2leki/2kena5vo/3alkosh/1 vmsa bow in precise was freaking bomb prior to the update
Why would you wear 3 Alkosh with 5 VO? No wonder that never took off.PC Master Race
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Avenias✭✭✭✭To be fair, magicka users can spam the *** out of shield and take a lot of beating. Stam users need to be much more careful as they are pretty much glass cannons, if they make a mistake, they drop like a sack of ***. But if they get their damage through, its ouch.0
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✭PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
I know some people will call me a liar and if you dont believe it go look on the forums and watch the videos being posted by some of the best players who have confirmed it..
As a magicka dps I literally do 35% less than a stam dps with the same time, skill and equivalent gear. Thanks ZOS...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
I know some people will call me a liar and if you dont believe it go look on the forums and watch the videos being posted by some of the best players who have confirmed it..
As a magicka dps I literally do 35% less than a stam dps with the same time, skill and equivalent gear. Thanks ZOS...
It is perfectly acceptable for magicka to deal less damage, you can tank and heal, we can't.
And, it is very easy to get 35k DPS with magicka, where as the stamina rotation is much harder. There are more magicka users with 35k DPS than stamina users with 45k DPS.Edited by susmitds on August 9, 2016 8:19AM0 -
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✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
you mentioned 6 sets for stam, 7 for magica
seriously though you guys get shields/ranged dps/annulment >.> and VO was in my opinion better before they updated it. it's a very, very old set. So why mention it?
Stan has ranged dps too;)0 -
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✭✭Dum du dum...
Infallible Aether x3
Kena x2
Spell Critical x1
Minor Slayer x1
Spell damage x1
Overkill*
VS
Vicious Ophidian x5
Weapon Critical x2
Minor Slayer
Weapon damage x1
8% stam cost reduction
Stamina & Major expedition on kill
* Overkill: equivalent to Spell damage x2 with 50% uptime, easy to achieve on magicka builds due to projectiles travel time / desync with abilities being cast
I can't help but look at those sets and wish it was the other way around, since Magicka absolutely NEED permanent support from the healers (Siphon / Ele drain) to not run dry in 30 seconds top. But no, the damage stamina gets comes solely from maelstrom weapons, as well as the bug allowing you to empower both a trap and another DoT with a single proc.
That said, I'm currently experimenting on stam build with 2p Kena, and will go for Alkosh x3 or Vicious Ophi x3, we'll see how it goes. Pretty promising results thus far using Agility, just need some more vet trials going...Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
I know some people will call me a liar and if you dont believe it go look on the forums and watch the videos being posted by some of the best players who have confirmed it..
As a magicka dps I literally do 35% less than a stam dps with the same time, skill and equivalent gear. Thanks ZOS...
Need to find it, but saw a Manticora mag NB parse with 44k.
EDIT: There, found it.
Edited by Asmael on August 9, 2016 8:38AMPC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
I know some people will call me a liar and if you dont believe it go look on the forums and watch the videos being posted by some of the best players who have confirmed it..
As a magicka dps I literally do 35% less than a stam dps with the same time, skill and equivalent gear. Thanks ZOS...
It is perfectly acceptable for magicka to deal less damage, you can tank and heal, we can't.
And, it is very easy to get 35k DPS with magicka, where as the stamina rotation is much harder. There are more magicka users with 35k DPS than stamina users with 45k DPS.
Its not "easy" as the BEST get 35k. Average players get around 20k. People with more time to play get 25k. The average is around 25k taking that into account with a 10k bell curve to the best at 35k.. Once again this has all be proven and talked about by the best players in other posts and videos.. its not opinion it is fact.
How about magicka users get more "harder" rotations so we are not 35% more pointless.. The argument about us having tanks and healers is also absurd since tanks can be both and healers ofc are magicka. Punishment for those basis are just absurd logic..
Post a video of YOU getting 35k DPS "easy" please. Remember scaled vet trial boss without a single add inc.
@ Asmael
Link since hodor members with BiS using magicka are getting 35k lol..0 -
Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
I know some people will call me a liar and if you dont believe it go look on the forums and watch the videos being posted by some of the best players who have confirmed it..
As a magicka dps I literally do 35% less than a stam dps with the same time, skill and equivalent gear. Thanks ZOS...
It is perfectly acceptable for magicka to deal less damage, you can tank and heal, we can't.
And, it is very easy to get 35k DPS with magicka, where as the stamina rotation is much harder. There are more magicka users with 35k DPS than stamina users with 45k DPS.
ALSO
By your logic the idea of a magicka dps is POINTLESS.
Tank and healers go magicka.
ALL dps go stam.
No other min max set up should exist. So just say it.. you are biased and think magicka dps should not be in the game and if they are they should be non min max and not used in any competitive way at all because they are inferior.
Your logic is legitimately wrong and obvious at that...0 -
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✭@Asmael
A photo is not a video. However I agree that is almost certainly real.
Benefit of the doubt though when its due lets say its a 44k dps from a magicka user. Is that acceptable vs common 51-60k Runners with stam?
Its STILL 27% less vs way more common skilled stam users and its a VERY rare occurrence on a magicka user.0 -
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✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »@Asmael
A photo is not a video. However I agree that is almost certainly real.
Benefit of the doubt though when its due lets say its a 44k dps from a magicka user. Is that acceptable vs common 51-60k Runners with stam?
Its STILL 27% less vs way more common skilled stam users and its a VERY rare occurrence on a magicka user.
Not EVERY stamina build in those raids are pulling 50k+ DPS. This is why I cannot stand forums sometimes, people think they get the whole picture before they even see what makes it up. Stamina DPS is entirely reliant on Enabling Roles. An enabler role is someone who runs specific sets and or abilities that incur a loss to the individual, for the gain of the group. Tanks sacrifice self mitigation by wearing things like Morag Tong, Tava's, and Alkosh, while other DPS wear things like Sunderflame, Nightmother's, Alkosh, specific enchants, abilities, etc. This allows the few people not wearing those sets to run full DPS, while still gaining the added damage of all of the input from the other members, which causes them to pull these numbers.
The reason that casters are behind stamina is because almost every set that enables DPS benefits either Stamina exclusively, or both. There isn't a single set in game that exclusively benefits casters of the group, other than Worm Cult, which doesn't offer raw damage. If you want Casters to be more on par with stam, start asking for more sets like these! I would LOVE for Nightmothers and Sunder to give spell penetration on top of armor, or sets to give %Fire/Ice/Lightning damage akin to Morag Tong.Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
Can confirm, you've never seen a good magicka player.
Sry, but 35k is the low end for endgame-DPS on magicka-builds. Should be more like 35k....50k ST-DPS for Magicka and 40k...55k DPS for Stamina.Noobplar0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
Can confirm, you've never seen a good magicka player.
Sry, but 35k is the low end for endgame-DPS on magicka-builds. Should be more like 35k....50k ST-DPS for Magicka and 40k...55k DPS for Stamina.
Lol say what? What magicka players have you be chilling with hitting 50k ST-DPS? Because I've never heard or seen it on neither Mac nor PS4. Better yet, how many magicka players are comfortably hitting in the 40-45k range regularly??? I genuinely need to know this. 0 -
Kas✭✭✭✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
Can confirm, you've never seen a good magicka player.
Sry, but 35k is the low end for endgame-DPS on magicka-builds. Should be more like 35k....50k ST-DPS for Magicka and 40k...55k DPS for Stamina.
Lol say what? What magicka players have you be chilling with hitting 50k ST-DPS? Because I've never heard or seen it on neither Mac nor PS4. Better yet, how many magicka players are comfortably hitting in the 40-45k range regularly??? I genuinely need to know this.
afaik magicka NBs in perfectly buffed raids do so regularly. others will in fights that favor them. ofc only in perfectly buffed raids, i.e. healers keep aether proc on enemies, permanent aggro horn crit bonus, magicka DDs without trap get guarded for the crit bonus, perma combat prayer, powerful assault form offtank, alkosh etc always up and so on.
even those stam dk's that pull 50k on manti single target fights will pull significantly below 40k in a raid with rather bad buffs. thus, dps numbers are mostly comparable within the same raid, nowadays@bbu - AD/EU
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