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A Magicka Vicious Serpent
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✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
Can confirm, you've never seen a good magicka player.
Sry, but 35k is the low end for endgame-DPS on magicka-builds. Should be more like 35k....50k ST-DPS for Magicka and 40k...55k DPS for Stamina.
Lol say what? What magicka players have you be chilling with hitting 50k ST-DPS? Because I've never heard or seen it on neither Mac nor PS4. Better yet, how many magicka players are comfortably hitting in the 40-45k range regularly??? I genuinely need to know this.
How many stamplayers are hitting 50k+? Not that many i guess. When we run trials our Magicka-Builds are usually around 40k Boss-DPS some topping with over 45k depending on the fight. And more is possible with more optimised tactics and builds. Dunno where you have your information from, that magicka-builds only do 35k
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✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
Can confirm, you've never seen a good magicka player.
Sry, but 35k is the low end for endgame-DPS on magicka-builds. Should be more like 35k....50k ST-DPS for Magicka and 40k...55k DPS for Stamina.
Lol say what? What magicka players have you be chilling with hitting 50k ST-DPS? Because I've never heard or seen it on neither Mac nor PS4. Better yet, how many magicka players are comfortably hitting in the 40-45k range regularly??? I genuinely need to know this.
The clear answer is he has not.
Top tier players with stam DPS get 51k+.
Top tier players with magicka DPS get 30-35k.
Unconfirmed 44k magicka dps as a outlier is 15% worse than multiple accounts of stamina dps records of around 51k dps.
Confirmed numbers of 30-35k from top tier magicka players is equal to 30% worse total dps records.
Confirmed reports show a huge 30% difference and unconfirmed reports show a still massive 15% difference.
All reports of both stamina and magicka dps reports showing dps gain through boss fights containing adds are pointless and show no evidence of single target dps.
Only excuse heard so far for the maybe 15% but confirmed 30% dps gap are stated below:
Magicka survive better.
Magicka can tank.
Magicka can heal.
These "reasons" are all absurd to use when in relation to end game group pve. IF that was the case than clearly the best group structure would be (Magicka tank/s with Magicka Healers with the remaining players ALL stamina dps). Maximizing dps while remaining tank/team revival.
These excuses pretty much mean that magicka dps are pointless in end game group content due to the fact the tank and healers will do their job as lead aggro and healers while the DPS is left solely to stamina builds. Any arguments similar to dps with heals are greatly needed are mute to the fact min maxed groups will substitute the lack of 30% dps per member for a extra healer to substitute massive stamina dps.
So in conclusion,
Magicka dps pull almost 30% less dps than stam and the suitability (questionable already vs stam) is pointless in end game group content (rather important for a mmo) vs the far better min maxed stam dps. To argue that they can tank and heal so a dps loss is fine is to argue the fact they are pointless in group trials and should not complain about that because they can survive in other areas.
As a magicka user I will say I would gladly lose the perceived survivability for the ability to not be worthless. I would also point anyone who thinks this to the best stam players who do more than fine surviving.
Magicka has clearly got a gap of 30% dps to stam and no argument for that to be justified can be taken seriously.1 -
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✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
Can confirm, you've never seen a good magicka player.
Sry, but 35k is the low end for endgame-DPS on magicka-builds. Should be more like 35k....50k ST-DPS for Magicka and 40k...55k DPS for Stamina.
Lol say what? What magicka players have you be chilling with hitting 50k ST-DPS? Because I've never heard or seen it on neither Mac nor PS4. Better yet, how many magicka players are comfortably hitting in the 40-45k range regularly??? I genuinely need to know this.
How many stamplayers are hitting 50k+? Not that many i guess. When we run trials our Magicka-Builds are usually around 40k Boss-DPS some topping with over 45k depending on the fight. And more is possible with more optimised tactics and builds. Dunno where you have your information from, that magicka-builds only do 35k
Clearly needs to learn the difference between Single Target dps and what its called when a add or two are thrown in lol..0 -
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✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
Can confirm, you've never seen a good magicka player.
Sry, but 35k is the low end for endgame-DPS on magicka-builds. Should be more like 35k....50k ST-DPS for Magicka and 40k...55k DPS for Stamina.
Lol say what? What magicka players have you be chilling with hitting 50k ST-DPS? Because I've never heard or seen it on neither Mac nor PS4. Better yet, how many magicka players are comfortably hitting in the 40-45k range regularly??? I genuinely need to know this.
How many stamplayers are hitting 50k+? Not that many i guess. When we run trials our Magicka-Builds are usually around 40k Boss-DPS some topping with over 45k depending on the fight. And more is possible with more optimised tactics and builds. Dunno where you have your information from, that magicka-builds only do 35k
Clearly needs to learn the difference between Single Target dps and what its called when a add or two are thrown in lol..
Really? There are exactly 2 (in words: TWO) bossfights in the whole game without any adds (in trials). Sure, they are both the most important Noobplar0 -
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✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
Can confirm, you've never seen a good magicka player.
Sry, but 35k is the low end for endgame-DPS on magicka-builds. Should be more like 35k....50k ST-DPS for Magicka and 40k...55k DPS for Stamina.
Lol say what? What magicka players have you be chilling with hitting 50k ST-DPS? Because I've never heard or seen it on neither Mac nor PS4. Better yet, how many magicka players are comfortably hitting in the 40-45k range regularly??? I genuinely need to know this.
How many stamplayers are hitting 50k+? Not that many i guess. When we run trials our Magicka-Builds are usually around 40k Boss-DPS some topping with over 45k depending on the fight. And more is possible with more optimised tactics and builds. Dunno where you have your information from, that magicka-builds only do 35k
Clearly needs to learn the difference between Single Target dps and what its called when a add or two are thrown in lol..
Really? There are exactly 2 (in words: TWO) bossfights in the whole game without any adds (in trials). Sure, they are both the most important
Are you saying for obtaining single target dps readings that a boss without ads is NOT important? Confirm this pls?0 -
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✭SienneYviete wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
Moondancer does both. Insane damage and potential of insane sustain. You can even backbar dual wield swords and have the bonus linger on your main bar without the 5pc active. You have options, learn to use them. Also, viper and red mountain both lose to Twice Born Star, which casters also have access to.
QFT
Who activates synergies in solo PVP?
How is that 5% boss damage going to help PVP?
[/quote]DRXHarbinger wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
you mentioned 6 sets for stam, 7 for magica
seriously though you guys get shields/ranged dps/annulment >.> and VO was in my opinion better before they updated it. it's a very, very old set. So why mention it?
A hail VO, best dps, best sustain, best mobility
idk, 2leki/2kena5vo/3alkosh/1 vmsa bow in precise was freaking bomb prior to the update
Why would you wear 3 Alkosh with 5 VO? No wonder that never took off.
vo was different back before db (and stronger). but it didint have minor slayer, I used alkosh for that.
3pc vo gave 4% weapon crit, increased movement speed 70% when killing an enemy, and 8% cost reduction in skills. 4pc gave a total 8% crit, amd 5 pieces gave the same stam return vr16 gold does.Edited by Ep1kMalware on August 9, 2016 10:47AM1 -
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✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
Can confirm, you've never seen a good magicka player.
Sry, but 35k is the low end for endgame-DPS on magicka-builds. Should be more like 35k....50k ST-DPS for Magicka and 40k...55k DPS for Stamina.
Lol say what? What magicka players have you be chilling with hitting 50k ST-DPS? Because I've never heard or seen it on neither Mac nor PS4. Better yet, how many magicka players are comfortably hitting in the 40-45k range regularly??? I genuinely need to know this.
How many stamplayers are hitting 50k+? Not that many i guess. When we run trials our Magicka-Builds are usually around 40k Boss-DPS some topping with over 45k depending on the fight. And more is possible with more optimised tactics and builds. Dunno where you have your information from, that magicka-builds only do 35k
Clearly needs to learn the difference between Single Target dps and what its called when a add or two are thrown in lol..
Really? There are exactly 2 (in words: TWO) bossfights in the whole game without any adds (in trials). Sure, they are both the most important
Are you saying for obtaining single target dps readings that a boss without ads is NOT important? Confirm this pls?
I'm just saying that messuring pure ST-DPS is just for show, there are more fights where AoE capabilities and cleave is needed. You also need to bring some utility on some fights. For example try to do vMoL/HM without magicka-DPS.
Have fun getting rekt at ~4th platform Noobplar0 -
BruhItsOver9000✭✭✭✭✭Bruh, why is everyone complaining about stamina? Before db, magicka was dominating.
Now that us stam users get stam ults and a few good sets, you guys complain.
The game was overrun by mag users before db, now it's balanced.
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Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Bruh, why is everyone complaining about stamina? Before db, magicka was dominating.
Now that us stam users get stam ults and a few good sets, you guys complain.
The game was overrun by mag users before db, now it's balanced.
and it was wrong to do that to stam users then as well, its not a *** competition.Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
Can confirm, you've never seen a good magicka player.
Sry, but 35k is the low end for endgame-DPS on magicka-builds. Should be more like 35k....50k ST-DPS for Magicka and 40k...55k DPS for Stamina.
Lol say what? What magicka players have you be chilling with hitting 50k ST-DPS? Because I've never heard or seen it on neither Mac nor PS4. Better yet, how many magicka players are comfortably hitting in the 40-45k range regularly??? I genuinely need to know this.
How many stamplayers are hitting 50k+? Not that many i guess. When we run trials our Magicka-Builds are usually around 40k Boss-DPS some topping with over 45k depending on the fight. And more is possible with more optimised tactics and builds. Dunno where you have your information from, that magicka-builds only do 35k
Clearly needs to learn the difference between Single Target dps and what its called when a add or two are thrown in lol..
Really? There are exactly 2 (in words: TWO) bossfights in the whole game without any adds (in trials). Sure, they are both the most important
Are you saying for obtaining single target dps readings that a boss without ads is NOT important? Confirm this pls?
I'm just saying that messuring pure ST-DPS is just for show, there are more fights where AoE capabilities and cleave is needed. You also need to bring some utility on some fights. For example try to do vMoL/HM without magicka-DPS.
Have fun getting rekt at ~4th platform
Omg the arguments..
ST DPS is ST DPS. It is the only relevant dps. AOE DPS is circumstantial. STDPS is the measurement of balance.. omg. Besides that universal logic, you still shoot yourself in the foot because stam ALSO have best aoe dps lol..
Must be a troll at this point?Edited by Hortator Indoril Nerevar on August 9, 2016 11:14AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Bruh, why is everyone complaining about stamina? Before db, magicka was dominating.
Now that us stam users get stam ults and a few good sets, you guys complain.
The game was overrun by mag users before db, now it's balanced.
Mm... Except that isn't truly the case.
Correct me if I am wrong, but in PVP... Was it or was it not a common thing to see "Block Knights" and people spamming wrecking blow...? Was it or was it not a thing (and still a thing lol) for people to spam snipe and animation cancel with like poison injection amongst other things to pick-off people...? Was it or was it not a thing to see StamDK's and StamNB's everywhere in PVP even before DB...?
And from a PVE standpoint, are you insisting that Stam only got a "few" good sets compared to magicka? What? Lol. Here's an idea. Make Mage's Guild have all types of amazing things but for magicka as Fighter's Guild. Let there be a universal magicka execute, instead of only stamina. Those are only tips of the iceberg. All I'm saying is give magicka something as ridiculously strong as Vicious Serpent.1 -
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I agree then.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Bruh, why is everyone complaining about stamina? Before db, magicka was dominating.
Now that us stam users get stam ults and a few good sets, you guys complain.
The game was overrun by mag users before db, now it's balanced.
Mm... Except that isn't truly the case.
Correct me if I am wrong, but in PVP... Was it or was it not a common thing to see "Block Knights" and people spamming wrecking blow...? Was it or was it not a thing (and still a thing lol) for people to spam snipe and animation cancel with like poison injection amongst other things to pick-off people...? Was it or was it not a thing to see StamDK's and StamNB's everywhere in PVP even before DB...?
And from a PVE standpoint, are you insisting that Stam only got a "few" good sets compared to magicka? What? Lol. Here's an idea. Make Mage's Guild have all types of amazing things but for magicka as Fighter's Guild. Let there be a universal magicka execute, instead of only stamina. Those are only tips of the iceberg. All I'm saying is give magicka something as ridiculously strong as Vicious Serpent.
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Clarkieson✭✭✭✭Can you PLEASE throw us Magicka users a bone here? PLEASE!?
Stamina has: Red Mountain, Vicious Sepent, Viper, new monster set, Skirmisher, Dreugh King Slayer, Hunding's Rage, etc.
And what does magicka have...? Julianos, Necropotence, Infallible Mage, Healer's Habit (lol), Seducer, Magnus, Silks of the Sun... Plus a few other sets that really aren't even worth mentioning.
It's getting ridiculous now, ZOS. Magicka needs a set like Vicious Serpent that adds tons of damage, and also provides good sustain. Actually, better yet? Can we just have better sustain? I mean damn it man. Elemental Expert and Seducier/Magnus just isn't cutting it these days... Give us some of the OP stuff, that you've been giving stamina for the past few patches. Give us a universal execute, as stamina has 2-3 of them. Give us something. =\
wow a balance idea
but sadly ZOS like to nerf magic builds so it aint happening
the zos mantra “NERF NERF NERF”
buff dks and nightblades especially if they are stamina based1 -
YoloWizard✭✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
I know some people will call me a liar and if you dont believe it go look on the forums and watch the videos being posted by some of the best players who have confirmed it..
As a magicka dps I literally do 35% less than a stam dps with the same time, skill and equivalent gear. Thanks ZOS...
It is perfectly acceptable for magicka to deal less damage, you can tank and heal, we can't.
And, it is very easy to get 35k DPS with magicka, where as the stamina rotation is much harder. There are more magicka users with 35k DPS than stamina users with 45k DPS.
Its not "easy" as the BEST get 35k. Average players get around 20k. People with more time to play get 25k. The average is around 25k taking that into account with a 10k bell curve to the best at 35k.. Once again this has all be proven and talked about by the best players in other posts and videos.. its not opinion it is fact.
How about magicka users get more "harder" rotations so we are not 35% more pointless.. The argument about us having tanks and healers is also absurd since tanks can be both and healers ofc are magicka. Punishment for those basis are just absurd logic..
Post a video of YOU getting 35k DPS "easy" please. Remember scaled vet trial boss without a single add inc.
@ Asmael
Link since hodor members with BiS using magicka are getting 35k lol..
I don't know where did you get that from but anyways, all magicka players in our guild had so much struggles with resource management. Took us a bit of time but with build tweaks here and there even Magicka players can do 40k+ single target.
I agree about the gap between Stam and Mag though its not good but doesn't mean Magicka is deadRETIRED
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Clarkieson✭✭✭✭YoloWizard wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »PVE NOT PVP RELATED AS I ONLY PVE
As it stands top end STAM DPS get 50k dps and top end MAGICKA DPS get 30-35k dps haha... this dlc was a joke for us magicka users.
I know some people will call me a liar and if you dont believe it go look on the forums and watch the videos being posted by some of the best players who have confirmed it..
As a magicka dps I literally do 35% less than a stam dps with the same time, skill and equivalent gear. Thanks ZOS...
It is perfectly acceptable for magicka to deal less damage, you can tank and heal, we can't.
And, it is very easy to get 35k DPS with magicka, where as the stamina rotation is much harder. There are more magicka users with 35k DPS than stamina users with 45k DPS.
Its not "easy" as the BEST get 35k. Average players get around 20k. People with more time to play get 25k. The average is around 25k taking that into account with a 10k bell curve to the best at 35k.. Once again this has all be proven and talked about by the best players in other posts and videos.. its not opinion it is fact.
How about magicka users get more "harder" rotations so we are not 35% more pointless.. The argument about us having tanks and healers is also absurd since tanks can be both and healers ofc are magicka. Punishment for those basis are just absurd logic..
Post a video of YOU getting 35k DPS "easy" please. Remember scaled vet trial boss without a single add inc.
@ Asmael
Link since hodor members with BiS using magicka are getting 35k lol..
I don't know where did you get that from but anyways, all magicka players in our guild had so much struggles with resource management. Took us a bit of time but with build tweaks here and there even Magicka players can do 40k+ single target.
I agree about the gap between Stam and Mag though its not good but doesn't mean Magicka is dead
magica is not dead, templars are OP, uh, i mean, perfectly balanced
someone at zos must like templars, i hope they dont get zos’ed0
