Holiday Temporary Achievements?

Troneon

One of the reasons out of many I stopped playing Guild Wars 2 was because of temporary time limited achievements linked to festivals and holiday events which some meant you either played 24/7 for that week or wait for a year to complete the achievements, this got so common every month seemed like you have to log in to play for 7 days straight or don't have time to get them all....

Will this event and achievements be made available only for a short time and only once a year?

Is this a new theme for ESO coming in future "events" copying Guild Wars 2 and their gem store.....

I really hope not because GW2 became so focused on temp quick events for excuses to sell fluff in their cash shop, that is all they focused on 90% of content around, temporary achievement grinding with time limited for excuses to sell more fluff.....

I really hope this is not where ZOS are heading with ESO? This would pretty much confirm what arena net did with gw2 is happening to ESO as well, only interested in fast quick turnover of cash and players and not bothered about keeping a long term player base or content...or fixing bugs or polishing existing lacking design systems.

Woeler

These are linked to a Halloween kind of event happening in Tamriel, theoretically this is actually only one day, but I expect the event to run a week or so. But definitely don't expect it to be completable all year round.

Not to mention that I completely disagree and think holiday based events are fun and keep the game diverse.

furthermore, like the anniversary cake event, I expect the token to start these quests can be found in the crown store for free (as was with the cake event). People have been asking for this for a long time.

Also, you either want to complete the achievements or not. "Yea I want to do it but not in one week", yea well, can't make everybody happy.

daemonios

One of the things I like the most about ESO achievements is that they're not exclusive. There's no "server first". Thank Arkay for that.

I understand and agree with your fears. No content - and as far as I'm concerned, achievements ARE content - should be inaccessible to anyone, or only accessible in such a short time frame that some players might not be able to get them.

JD2013

I'm very, very happy they are bringing limited time holiday events to the game.

It'll make the world feel slightly more dynamic and alive.

daemonios

Woeler wrote: »

you either want to complete the achievements or not. "Yea I want to do it but not in one week", yea well, can't make everybody happy.

Thankfully ZOS doesn't think like that, or we could have a lot more of these. As a design philosophy, you either create inclusive content that anyone can get at their own pace, or you create exclusive content that you can get if you want it - and don't have naggy stuff such as real life get in your way.

I have nothing against the festival though, as long as they don't start including real life holidays in the game - this is just my opinion but it feels weird having Xmas, Easter, 4th of July and whatnot in Tamriel, not to mention that as a global game, most holidays will be culturally insensitive to many players.

JD2013

daemonios wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

you either want to complete the achievements or not. "Yea I want to do it but not in one week", yea well, can't make everybody happy.

Thankfully ZOS doesn't think like that, or we could have a lot more of these. As a design philosophy, you either create inclusive content that anyone can get at their own pace, or you create exclusive content that you can get if you want it - and don't have naggy stuff such as real life get in your way.

I have nothing against the festival though, as long as they don't start including real life holidays in the game - this is just my opinion but it feels weird having Xmas, Easter, 4th of July and whatnot in Tamriel, not to mention that as a global game, most holidays will be culturally insensitive to many players.

"Culturally insensitive" how? Genuinely curious.

And the Witches Festival is a genuine Tamriel holiday.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/calendar-tamriel/

13th of Frostfall.

daemonios

JD2013 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

you either want to complete the achievements or not. "Yea I want to do it but not in one week", yea well, can't make everybody happy.

Thankfully ZOS doesn't think like that, or we could have a lot more of these. As a design philosophy, you either create inclusive content that anyone can get at their own pace, or you create exclusive content that you can get if you want it - and don't have naggy stuff such as real life get in your way.

I have nothing against the festival though, as long as they don't start including real life holidays in the game - this is just my opinion but it feels weird having Xmas, Easter, 4th of July and whatnot in Tamriel, not to mention that as a global game, most holidays will be culturally insensitive to many players.

"Culturally insensitive" how? Genuinely curious.

Would you celebrate Easter in-game at the same time as Catholic Easter, Orthodox Easter, or Jewish Passover? And what would it even mean for people who don't celebrate Easter? Same thing for Christmas. Maybe you could compensate with a Ramadan festivity? Halloween means very little outside Anglo-Saxon culture, though it's been sold around the world, as has Valentines Day to a lesser degree, but many people don't celebrate either.

In real life you celebrate the holidays that mean something to you and your community. In a game I would much rather we build a different community that includes everyone rather than catering to some but not others.

JD2013

As for the issue of real life holidays in game, the devs stated a few times that if they were to put holidays into the game, they would be Tamriel centred holidays as opposed to real world centred holidays. I mean, of course, these Tamriel holidays are based upon real world holidays, but to fit in with the lore of the world.

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starkerealm

daemonios wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

you either want to complete the achievements or not. "Yea I want to do it but not in one week", yea well, can't make everybody happy.

Thankfully ZOS doesn't think like that, or we could have a lot more of these. As a design philosophy, you either create inclusive content that anyone can get at their own pace, or you create exclusive content that you can get if you want it - and don't have naggy stuff such as real life get in your way.

I have nothing against the festival though, as long as they don't start including real life holidays in the game - this is just my opinion but it feels weird having Xmas, Easter, 4th of July and whatnot in Tamriel, not to mention that as a global game, most holidays will be culturally insensitive to many players.

"Culturally insensitive" how? Genuinely curious.

Would you celebrate Easter in-game at the same time as Catholic Easter, Orthodox Easter, or Jewish Passover? And what would it even mean for people who don't celebrate Easter? Same thing for Christmas. Maybe you could compensate with a Ramadan festivity? Halloween means very little outside Anglo-Saxon culture, though it's been sold around the world, as has Valentines Day to a lesser degree, but many people don't celebrate either.

In real life you celebrate the holidays that mean something to you and your community. In a game I would much rather we build a different community that includes everyone rather than catering to some but not others.

Didn't see you complaining when they put stuff on sale for Heart's Day, which is the 16th of Sun's Dawn... or, you know, an actual Catholic holiday, with a slightly different name...

inflaburwb17_ESO

daemonios wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

you either want to complete the achievements or not. "Yea I want to do it but not in one week", yea well, can't make everybody happy.

Thankfully ZOS doesn't think like that, or we could have a lot more of these. As a design philosophy, you either create inclusive content that anyone can get at their own pace, or you create exclusive content that you can get if you want it - and don't have naggy stuff such as real life get in your way.

I have nothing against the festival though, as long as they don't start including real life holidays in the game - this is just my opinion but it feels weird having Xmas, Easter, 4th of July and whatnot in Tamriel, not to mention that as a global game, most holidays will be culturally insensitive to many players.

"Culturally insensitive" how? Genuinely curious.

Would you celebrate Easter in-game at the same time as Catholic Easter, Orthodox Easter, or Jewish Passover? And what would it even mean for people who don't celebrate Easter? Same thing for Christmas. Maybe you could compensate with a Ramadan festivity? Halloween means very little outside Anglo-Saxon culture, though it's been sold around the world, as has Valentines Day to a lesser degree, but many people don't celebrate either.

In real life you celebrate the holidays that mean something to you and your community. In a game I would much rather we build a different community that includes everyone rather than catering to some but not others.

So do you find the in-game inclusion of gods culturally insensitive to those that worship other gods in RL, or to those that are atheists? Is the inclusion of skooma in the game offensive to people with family members/friends that are addicts? Are the Kajit inconsiderate of players suffering from Ailurophobia?

What you choose to celebrate or avoid is your own issue. Leave it there. Don't get upset because other people are enjoying their food when you are on a diet.

daemonios

starkerealm wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

you either want to complete the achievements or not. "Yea I want to do it but not in one week", yea well, can't make everybody happy.

Thankfully ZOS doesn't think like that, or we could have a lot more of these. As a design philosophy, you either create inclusive content that anyone can get at their own pace, or you create exclusive content that you can get if you want it - and don't have naggy stuff such as real life get in your way.

I have nothing against the festival though, as long as they don't start including real life holidays in the game - this is just my opinion but it feels weird having Xmas, Easter, 4th of July and whatnot in Tamriel, not to mention that as a global game, most holidays will be culturally insensitive to many players.

"Culturally insensitive" how? Genuinely curious.

Would you celebrate Easter in-game at the same time as Catholic Easter, Orthodox Easter, or Jewish Passover? And what would it even mean for people who don't celebrate Easter? Same thing for Christmas. Maybe you could compensate with a Ramadan festivity? Halloween means very little outside Anglo-Saxon culture, though it's been sold around the world, as has Valentines Day to a lesser degree, but many people don't celebrate either.

In real life you celebrate the holidays that mean something to you and your community. In a game I would much rather we build a different community that includes everyone rather than catering to some but not others.

Didn't see you complaining when they put stuff on sale for Heart's Day, which is the 16th of Sun's Dawn... or, you know, an actual Catholic holiday, with a slightly different name...

I didn't even know that was a thing, but then I don't use the store...

LMar

To get back to the Witches Festival achievements question. This is going to be a week long event like the Jubilee Cake event. All of the achievements can be completed by finishing the quest except the one where you have to collect all the motifs. I seriously hope that their drop rate is not abysmal like some of the in-game motifs now, because that would mean that very few people actually get them, and that achievements and hence the final achievement with the title/reward.

daemonios

daemonios wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

you either want to complete the achievements or not. "Yea I want to do it but not in one week", yea well, can't make everybody happy.

Thankfully ZOS doesn't think like that, or we could have a lot more of these. As a design philosophy, you either create inclusive content that anyone can get at their own pace, or you create exclusive content that you can get if you want it - and don't have naggy stuff such as real life get in your way.

I have nothing against the festival though, as long as they don't start including real life holidays in the game - this is just my opinion but it feels weird having Xmas, Easter, 4th of July and whatnot in Tamriel, not to mention that as a global game, most holidays will be culturally insensitive to many players.

"Culturally insensitive" how? Genuinely curious.

Would you celebrate Easter in-game at the same time as Catholic Easter, Orthodox Easter, or Jewish Passover? And what would it even mean for people who don't celebrate Easter? Same thing for Christmas. Maybe you could compensate with a Ramadan festivity? Halloween means very little outside Anglo-Saxon culture, though it's been sold around the world, as has Valentines Day to a lesser degree, but many people don't celebrate either.

In real life you celebrate the holidays that mean something to you and your community. In a game I would much rather we build a different community that includes everyone rather than catering to some but not others.

Didn't see you complaining when they put stuff on sale for Heart's Day, which is the 16th of Sun's Dawn... or, you know, an actual Catholic holiday, with a slightly different name...

I didn't even know that was a thing, but then I don't use the store...

In any case all I'm saying is I'd rather real life holidays weren't put in the game. That they have already doesn't change my opinion.

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starkerealm

daemonios wrote: »

In any case all I'm saying is I'd rather real life holidays weren't put in the game. That they have already doesn't change my opinion.

Except, again, we're not getting real life holidays. We're getting Tamerilic ones. Arena and Daggerfall both included full calenders with numerous holidays, daedric summoning days, and all sorts of random stuff sprinkled in between. Heart's Day, and Witches Festival are both Tamerilic holidays. In fact, Witches Festival doesn't even fall on the 31st of Frostfall, it's on the 13th. I don't know about you, but I don't usually celebrate Halloween on the second week of October.

Troneon

Anyone know the start and end dates of this "Festival"..?

starkerealm

Troneon wrote: »

Anyone know the start and end dates of this "Festival"..?

Not yet. Educated guess would have it starting no later than October 13th, and ending no sooner than October 31st. But, I could be completely wrong there.

Troneon

starkerealm wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Anyone know the start and end dates of this "Festival"..?

Not yet. Educated guess would have it starting no later than October 13th, and ending no sooner than October 31st. But, I could be completely wrong there.

Ok well that is strange they would have in achievements journal already?

randolphbenoit

Troneon wrote: »

One of the reasons out of many I stopped playing Guild Wars 2 was because of temporary time limited achievements linked to festivals and holiday events which some meant you either played 24/7 for that week or wait for a year to complete the achievements, this got so common every month seemed like you have to log in to play for 7 days straight or don't have time to get them all....

Will this event and achievements be made available only for a short time and only once a year?

Is this a new theme for ESO coming in future "events" copying Guild Wars 2 and their gem store.....

I really hope not because GW2 became so focused on temp quick events for excuses to sell fluff in their cash shop, that is all they focused on 90% of content around, temporary achievement grinding with time limited for excuses to sell more fluff.....

I really hope this is not where ZOS are heading with ESO? This would pretty much confirm what arena net did with gw2 is happening to ESO as well, only interested in fast quick turnover of cash and players and not bothered about keeping a long term player base or content...or fixing bugs or polishing existing lacking design systems.

I just hoping they make getting the Hollowjack Style Book (Motif?) not impossible in the time peroid

mb10

If its a genuine Tamriel holiday then bring it on! I hope they do more of these tbh.

However, I also hope the timeline genuinely moves on too like it did with the Orsinium dlc. I believe the events happen a year after the events of the start of the game.

Good stuff ZOS

Divinius

Lore-friendly Holiday events are perfectly fine.

Time-limited achievements tend to really drive completionists crazy.

randolphbenoit

Divinius wrote: »

Lore-friendly Holiday events are perfectly fine.

Time-limited achievements tend to really drive completionists crazy.

No one wants some of a motif and have to wait a year to complete!

Troneon

Divinius wrote: »

Lore-friendly Holiday events are perfectly fine.

Time-limited achievements tend to really drive completionists crazy.

^^

Kahl_dur

I had a lot of fun (and a lot of late nights) during the Jubilee Cake event. Looking forward to Witches Festival and the new Hollowjack motif. Honestly though, I probably won't complete all of the achievements. I'll just focus on having a good time and any motif pages collected will be a bonus. Maybe we'll be able to trade or buy the pages we miss?

Troneon

Kahl_dur wrote: »

I had a lot of fun (and a lot of late nights) during the Jubilee Cake event. Looking forward to Witches Festival and the new Hollowjack motif. Honestly though, I probably won't complete all of the achievements. I'll just focus on having a good time and any motif pages collected will be a bonus. Maybe we'll be able to trade or buy the pages we miss?

I missed jubilee cake event which means I will never be able to do it again.....most likely....

This is why I hate this time limited crap....

baratron

We played with the Witches Festival on the PTS. You get a Plunder Skull every time you kill a delve boss or a dungeon boss. These are containers which contain the special recipes, motifs, and the style stones required for the motifs.

The Achievement requires you to collect 100 Plunder Skulls. There are also 14 motif pages and 9 new recipes

If you do both of the daily Pledges, you get around 10 Plunder Skulls every day just from those two dungeons. After 5 days, we all had at least half of the Hollowjack motifs and most of the recipes. And we weren't even going out of our way to farm delve bosses since we were there to test out the dungeon and Trial content.

I don't think you need to worry about not getting all of the motifs if you actually want to take part in the event .

nimander99

Oh mer gerd. The hype is real y'all!

Recremen

As an achievement hunter I totally understand where you're coming from, as I get super anxious about nonrepeatable time-sensitive events as well. This will be the first one in ESO (that I know of). With that said, I'm still all for it so long as there's a decent stretch of time to try to complete it. Two weeks is ideal, one week is still probably totally doable.

UncannyLinderman

daemonios wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

you either want to complete the achievements or not. "Yea I want to do it but not in one week", yea well, can't make everybody happy.

Thankfully ZOS doesn't think like that, or we could have a lot more of these. As a design philosophy, you either create inclusive content that anyone can get at their own pace, or you create exclusive content that you can get if you want it - and don't have naggy stuff such as real life get in your way.

I have nothing against the festival though, as long as they don't start including real life holidays in the game - this is just my opinion but it feels weird having Xmas, Easter, 4th of July and whatnot in Tamriel, not to mention that as a global game, most holidays will be culturally insensitive to many players.

"Culturally insensitive" how? Genuinely curious.

Would you celebrate Easter in-game at the same time as Catholic Easter, Orthodox Easter, or Jewish Passover? And what would it even mean for people who don't celebrate Easter? Same thing for Christmas. Maybe you could compensate with a Ramadan festivity? Halloween means very little outside Anglo-Saxon culture, though it's been sold around the world, as has Valentines Day to a lesser degree, but many people don't celebrate either.

In real life you celebrate the holidays that mean something to you and your community. In a game I would much rather we build a different community that includes everyone rather than catering to some but not others.

I don't celebrate holidays at all in real life, yet I would have zero issue with them doing in game holidays corresponding to them. Know why? Because I'm old enough to have grown up where not every nit picking thing offended people. Just because it corresponds to real life doesn't mean it's an insult to those who don't celebrate the real life counterpart.

randolphbenoit

@The_Linderman While you do have a point this is a video game and we just providing feedback for the ZOS team to consider as they plan and test these events before they finally go live when the time comes with hopes of less bugs and horrible things going wrong. Limited time event are by nature Limited Time so all feedback is important to the ZOS team.

MyNameIsElias

just to let you all know, zenimax did a cradle of shadows showcase stream on thursday/friday last week, and i asked gina in the chat and she confirmed that the plan is for this event to happen each year.

Troneon

MyNameIsElias wrote: »

just to let you all know, zenimax did a cradle of shadows showcase stream on thursday/friday last week, and i asked gina in the chat and she confirmed that the plan is for this event to happen each year.

I still hate temp content, time limited content...I left one game because of it....

Who wants to wait 12 months to complete achievements or burn for 7 days...