Dawnbreaker of smiting's stun should go.

Vangy · July 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

SS of 30k -40k tool tip pls.

Go watch Alcast latest videos, or anything with a stam build.

@Alcast Teach me how to get 40k DBOS tooltip please. Feed this noob some insight. Try as I might, I cant achieve such godlike numbers....... Even with 41k stam and 5.5k weapon power. Some people in this thread saying its possible and to watch your videos. I cant seem to find any... Halp!

Nvm they including the DOT portion as well. Even then..... 40k is a tad extreme... I dont see such numbers. 30k is a lot more believable. And half of that is a DOT that happens over 4-5 seconds was it? Normally its a flat out 12-14k damage up front with a 3k dot over 4 seconds. So you will feel about 15-17k damage up front and a 3k dot that kicks in after that. A single DS tooltip is about the same damage as DBOS.... And thats straight up front. Without the DOT.

lfc187 · July 2016

I would like for meteor to be countered, given that when a yellow spots me or my friend.they drop like 5 meteors on us. Its frustrating but it shows how much they love us.

leepalmer95 · July 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

SS of 30k -40k tool tip pls.

Go watch Alcast latest videos, or anything with a stam build.

@Alcast Teach me how to get 40k DBOS tooltip please. Feed this noob some insight. Try as I might, I cant achieve such godlike numbers....... Even with 41k stam and 5.5k weapon power. Some people in this thread saying its possible and to watch your videos. I cant seem to find any... Halp!

Nvm they including the DOT portion as well. Even then..... 40k is a tad extreme... I dont see such numbers. 30k is a lot more believable. And half of that is a DOT that happens over 4-5 seconds was it? Normally its a flat out 12-14k damage up front with a 3k dot over 4 seconds. So you will feel about 15-17k damage up front and a 3k dot that kicks in after that. A single DS tooltip is about the same damage as DBOS.... And thats straight up front. Without the DOT.

Well to be fair my DBOS tooltip is 16.5k with a 19 or 20k dot, still not 40k though and i have 37k stamina and 4.1k wpn dmg.

Lucky28 · July 2016

nvm

Toast_STS · July 2016

DBoS is overpowered yes, but it's the only burst on my stam sorc. Please do not nerf without considering stam sorcs...

Toast_STS · July 2016

Also, I think you can empower DBoS with maelstrom daggers. It will only buff the DoT damage on one target but the tooltip for the DoT is 30k + the initial ~15k.

Drdeath20 · July 2016

tennant94 wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Hows about up the speed of meteor?

No the stun from dbs needs removing it already outclasses every other ultimate in the game. Even the top nb's are using it instead of incapaciting strike.

Yeah but every class can use it. If your trying to compare it to meteor you forget that meteor can be fired from range. You can't use dbs from the back line on people 20 meters away.

Hempyre · July 2016

So... No SS?

I just thought maybe you knew what you were going on about.

leepalmer95 · July 2016

Toast_STS wrote: »

Also, I think you can empower DBoS with maelstrom daggers. It will only buff the DoT damage on one target but the tooltip for the DoT is 30k + the initial ~15k.

If it does it's a bug, DB is aoe so it shouldn't do that

sluice · July 2016

DBOS is strong but I personally don't think it's OverPowered though.

@Original Poster, you know that DBOS initial hit is a cone? It's definitely dodgeable.
Meteor is the only one between the two that you can't dodge.. but you can still (and should) block it.

I occasionally miss (probably too often) my Dawnbreaker because the opponent(s) are moving too much.

Also, you can block DBOS (you won't be stun and it will barely hurt), and you can move out of the cone.

tennant94 · July 2016

sluice wrote: »

DBOS is strong but I personally don't think it's OverPowered though.

@Original Poster, you know that DBOS initial hit is a cone? It's definitely dodgeable.
Meteor is the only one between the two that you can't dodge.. but you can still (and should) block it.

I occasionally miss (probably too often) my Dawnbreaker because the opponent(s) are moving too much.

Also, you can block DBOS (you won't be stun and it will barely hurt), and you can move out of the cone.

What you're saying is true but dbos is instant cast and can be animation cancelled so unless you're holding block before dbos is cast the stun will always get you. Its dodge able? If you dodge roll and dbos hits you, you still take the stun and damage. You're mistaking potatoes missing there hits with it being dodge able but I know what you mean, dbos isn't telegraphed like meteor so it can miss.

Makkir · July 2016

how bout just get rid of the knock down animation

Alcast · July 2016

PVP is broken. There is literally no point talking about balance of gear or skills.
dawnbreaker can hit like a truck. Ofcourse you can easily get more than 40kdmg from it if you buff it with agro warhorn and empower for example.
Having more max stam and high weap dmg is one thing but having 20% more damage and 30% more crit damage should also be taken into consideration. I do not see those tricks in pvp that often tho. Maybe also bc I did not rly pvp for over a month lol.

Slap Malubeth and Heavy armor on and you are good to go against dawnbreaker anyway, everyone running around with those broken heavyarmor malubeth builds and ZOS doesn't even consider of nerfing some of the stuff

Ishammael · July 2016

Hempyre wrote: »

So... No SS?

I just thought maybe you knew what you were going on about.

I don't have time to post a SS for you. Go into the game and see for yourself. Or go watch the alcast video. Help yourself rather than complaining.

GreenSoup2HoT · July 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Toast_STS wrote: »

Also, I think you can empower DBoS with maelstrom daggers. It will only buff the DoT damage on one target but the tooltip for the DoT is 30k + the initial ~15k.

If it does it's a bug, DB is aoe so it shouldn't do that

I just wanted to mention that the Cruel Furry enchant does boost the DoT from Dawnbreaker but it only effects the person you proc'd the enchantment on. It shouldn't be possible to begin with though since like you said.. it is indeed an AoE.

Omgwtfbbq321 · July 2016

Dawnbreaker is the most powerful ultimate out there, only rivalled by Incap-Strike.

Is it overpowered? maybe. But I also understand stamina users have very little choice.

When compared to comet, it does look far superior.

Comet:

Target lock on - Ranged. (good)
DOT - Ground based. (bad)
High impact damage - Yes. (good)
Cast time instant, damage delayed with warning. (bad)
Cost 200. (bad)
Dodgeable - Yes, with ample warning to get out the way. (bad)
Animation cancel-able - Yes, but with no effect on Comets arrival. (bad)

Dawnbreaker

Close range - Cone AOE. (bad)
DOT - Sticks to target. (good)
High impact damage - Yes. (good)
Cast time instant, damage instant. (good)
Cost 100. (good)
Dodgeable - Yes, but unlikely as you must already be dodgerolling. (good)
Animation cancel-able - Yes, can make the affect almost invisible. (good)

I would rather see comet made less predictable than Dawnbreaker nerfed. As for the "Comet is undodgeable" crew. Here is a video of the last comet I dodged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbKUlwTAU-k