Costume Dying Should Be Free! (RANT)

danisonfire1994

Seriously ZOS give us a Break! We already spent money on the costumes and you still want us to spent extra money just for dying them, which we cant choose the desired colours BTW, unless you're an ESO+ member. And only the ESO+ members are allowed to remove the dyes, which is just ridiculous. Seriously this needs to stop!

Graydon

Stop what? Or you'll cancel your subscription?

Mickey_Ox

Just get ESO+, you get to dye all your current costumes and use the crowns you get from subbing to buy any new costumes that come out. Problem solved

danisonfire1994

I am an ESO+. But for the people that isn't, its just sad how they sold the dyes.

Roechacca

It does seem like a EA style money grab for frivolous customizations. They'll learn eventually but once again its cosmetics so I don't care. SWTOR has closed more servers since launch then any other AAA title. While games like Eve last forever.

KochDerDamonen

I think it's going to be upsetting for a lot of folks. I do not think that this feature has to be free necessarily, but rather think there should be a sort of more expensive token that allows you to make your own from all your own dyes, or maybe even all dyes. Perhaps up the price again and make it a "can dye this costume as much as you want" deal. The current setup is too unwieldy for nonsubs.

Abeille

They could at least sell a consumable that gave non-subscribers one use of the dye station for costumes (consumed when you accepted to apply it) instead of these awful Dye Stamps.

Ep1kMalware

Graydon wrote: »

Stop what? Or you'll cancel your subscription?

hahaha so good.

I should go into the mall amd demand free wares since I paid for parking xD

Leandor

Yeah, another one jealous of eso+ perks.

Get used to it, there will be more.

Ep1kMalware

Leandor wrote: »

Yeah, another one jealous of eso+ perks.

Get used to it, there will be more.

more reason for cheap penny pinchers to Q.Q

petraeus1

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Yeah, another one jealous of eso+ perks.

Get used to it, there will be more.

more reason for cheap penny pinchers to Q.Q

FailFish Anytime something negative is said about Crown Store related issues that do not affect ESO+ members, there are people who cannot make any other argument than say: 'Entitled', or 'Cheap' or 'Sub or shut up'.

If you want your B2P/P2P game to be monetized as a F2P title while being broken for half the year, by all means.

This game sells a box price and exclusively paid content updates, has increased the economy grind in many ways over the last year only to make Crown Store alternatives more attractive, and still chooses to monetize what I call an update to a feature that was underdeveloped. A dye system in-game but no ability to dye costumes? Who would have seen it coming that people would have something to say about that?

If greed demands they monetize every single cosmetic update going forward (looking at you, 'barber shop'), at least give a reasonable Crown Store alternative to ESO+. Dye stamps are a *** alternative.

Vaoh

They should be free, but ZOS is on the hunt for anything they can milk money from. Even the lowest things possible like costume dyes.

Look at the effort and quality work put into player housing already. Cool right? All I hope is that it will be usable to anyone who hasn't subbed and spent 10K+ crowns to have a decent house.

Luckily, Spellcrafting is balance-related. It will make this game P2W if the Crown Store gets involved there

SanSan

Dyeing*

Caligamy_ESO

I don't get why anyone would be jealous of any of these 'perks' You literally way pay more for the same exact product so you can look special? Looking forward to the threads on September 9th..

mistermutiny89

I'd really like my rent to be free as well. Paying $1,300 a month is sahh annoyang.

Please rent, give me a break!

Haha, on a more related note. There are some of us that do play for ESO plus every month and I like the fact we are getting more for our money.

notimetocare

danisonfire1994 wrote: »

Seriously ZOS give us a Break! We already spent money on the costumes and you still want us to spent extra money just for dying them, which we cant choose the desired colours BTW, unless you're an ESO+ member. And only the ESO+ members are allowed to remove the dyes, which is just ridiculous. Seriously this needs to stop!

Costune dying should not be free. You bought the default costume. Im glad they are giving me reasons to benefit from my sub (I am the kind of person that subs to a game I enjoy, perks or not)

incite

Seems we have a lot hippies crying about zos making money off of things like these... wake up plz, ofc they do, they arent a charity organisation

Tandor

Be grateful for the fact that they're only charging for utterly trivial stuff which absolutely no-one has to buy if they don't want to rather than pay-to-win items like some games, and that they're providing decent incentives for subscribing which is by far and away the better business model for both players and the company in the long term.

RandalMarrs

It's cosmetic and it's the type of thing that they should charge for. You cannot express dissatisfaction with costumes you bought in the past, as when they were purchased the only colors available were the ones you purchased them with. The dye system did not exist for costumes before, so you got what you paid for.

Abeille

The issue I see is not them monetizing it, as costume dyeing is purely cosmetic. The issue is that dye stamps are the worst way costume dyeing could have been implemented. They are absolute garbage.

And ZOS probably knows that. If anyone here watched the ESO Live where the dye stamps were announced, you can probably confirm what I noticed. They spent some time talking about the dye stamps while everybody raged on the chat, and they were like "By the way, subscribers can use their own dyes like normal" and there was a collective sigh of relief on the chat. It is something designed to be bad as to make the subscription perk seem like something special instead of something that should have been introduced with armor dyeing to begin with.

I'm glad I sub, but I still think dye stamps are garbage.

kevlarto_ESO

Well this is a for profit company, and since it is purely cosmetic it is not needed to play the game, just a wanted item, plus even though the game is play free after you purchase the client, nothing is ever truly free, those so called free to play games you have to pay to fart in them, compared to other game stores on the market at this time ZOS's store is very modest.

NeillMcAttack

To me it seems very counter productive. As costume dyes are not something that I feel would lead people to sub, and certainly not something that would keep players subbed either. I think that they would most certainly make more money from the costume dyes if they were purchasable tokens and not something tied to a subscription.

I am a subscriber and can honestly say that this isn't something I care about or will ever make use of. But I can only imagine the amount of people that would be willing to fork out many once off payments to dye thier costumes.

BalticBlues

Leandor wrote: »

another one jealous of eso+ perks.
Get used to it, there will be more.

So we all should get used to even less customers/players?

Nothing spreads faster than bad news:

1. The unacceptable performance on consoles already caused a mass exodus of players.

2. The exorbitant new item pricing in the Crown Store already is a hot topic. 5000 Crowns for a single new assistant or 5000 Crowns for a single new motif is almost twice as expensive as even the biggest and greatest DLC so far (Orsinium at 3000 Crowns).

3. Locking upcoming dye station functionality behind a paywall finally means locking core functionality away from players for the first time. People hate this. At least people should be able to buy an option to enable full dye station functionality... Selling fixed tier-one-colors instead seems like a plain rip-off, I am sorry to say that.

Lately, everything drives people alway from the game. Player numbers are down so badly on consoles that it gets hard to find people, for example for trials. Guild store sales overall fell about 75% since introction of the game-crippling DB. Many people are fed up. Players need reasons to start or come back, not reasons to stay away from the game.

Abeille

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

To me it seems very counter productive. As costume dyes are not something that I feel would lead people to sub, and certainly not something that would keep players subbed either. I think that they would most certainly make more money from the costume dyes if they were purchasable tokens and not something tied to a subscription.

I am a subscriber and can honestly say that this isn't something I care about or will ever make use of. But I can only imagine the amount of people that would be willing to fork out many once off payments to dye thier costumes.

I agree. I think it is possible that this actually hurts the sales of costumes in general.

If that happens, I hope ZOS is able to identify the issue and react accordingly.

Cazzy

I see both sides, tbh.

ESO+ members (including myself) will always agree that our choice to subscribe every month should have reasonable rewards. The costume dyes being one. If they changed that then members would get quite annoyed for not being rewarded for our loyalty.

However, people who can't afford to pay monthly or needs to think carefully about theirs funds, people who have played since beta, people who spend lots of money on crowns - they feel cheated out of something that we've been requesting for years.

In all honesty, there is no positive outcome to please all groups. The best thing to do would be sub for one month and dye your costumes, then unsubscribe. You won't need to buy dyes or wait for good colours then.

I do feel ESO+ members should be rewarded as any club members are, but it sadly is a slap in the face for those who have been loyal in other ways.

Ep1kMalware

petraeus1 wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Yeah, another one jealous of eso+ perks.

Get used to it, there will be more.

more reason for cheap penny pinchers to Q.Q

FailFish Anytime something negative is said about Crown Store related issues that do not affect ESO+ members, there are people who cannot make any other argument than say: 'Entitled', or 'Cheap' or 'Sub or shut up'.

If you want your B2P/P2P game to be monetized as a F2P title while being broken for half the year, by all means.

This game sells a box price and exclusively paid content updates, has increased the economy grind in many ways over the last year only to make Crown Store alternatives more attractive, and still chooses to monetize what I call an update to a feature that was underdeveloped. A dye system in-game but no ability to dye costumes? Who would have seen it coming that people would have something to say about that?

If greed demands they monetize every single cosmetic update going forward (looking at you, 'barber shop'), at least give a reasonable Crown Store alternative to ESO+. Dye stamps are a *** alternative.

lmfao bo2?

right, so this mmo comes out and drops their mandatory sub. Then they open a store for completely optional cosmetic purchases. Then low, and behold, every time something cosmetic is introduced everyome flails in agony demanding free cosmetid adjustments because if they can't have it for free the game is ruined.

if you don't like it shut up and go play something else. entitlist scab on societie's back. I'd bet you'd go to a movie theatre and demand free popcorn with your ,movie, huh?

no one wants your attitude amd I doubt zos would care if you stopped loitering.

willymchilybily

try not to think of it as punishing those that don't subscribe but rewarding those that do.
try not to think of it as paying to get all the features, but gaining extra features for supporting the game, because without supporting the game, those extra features would never have been funded and implemented in the first place

For just one second look at it from someone else's point of view.

I'm paying to keep the servers on so i get to keep playing the game. Someone else is not paying a penny, and playing all the same. (I'm not on about DLC purchases as those are just the buying of additional content)

why should i be paying my way and additionally paying for all those other non subscribers too. why should it be me that pays with their hard earned money when others don't have to. Since when did i agree to this Socialist regime. I DO expect something in return if I'm to keep paying when I'm under no obligation to

and imagine what would happen if everyone decided to stop paying. So have your rant. Ask for other ways to pay for it. and watch as subscribers buy those options with their free crowns and decide to un-sub. See how difficult it is to run a business with unknown turnover and minimal working capital. and watch as the game declines. All safe in the knowledge that at least you look fabulous

Skcarkden

Personally they need more ESO plus only perks.

And i doubt it was an issue for you prior to the costume dye update that you couldn't dye it differently. So why is it an issue now when they added a new feature that *can* have the ability to change something you bought?

kongkim

Think its fine. you have the base game its nothing that change gameplay so if you have crows or money buy if not too bad. its not something you need.

juhasman

What is bad in paying for better looking in MMO? It's normal politic in MMO's. Look on the brighter side They could make armor dyes for ESO+ members only

petraeus1

Ep1kmalware wrote: »

lmfao bo2?

right, so this mmo comes out and drops their mandatory sub. Then they open a store for completely optional cosmetic purchases. Then low, and behold, every time something cosmetic is introduced everyome flails in agony demanding free cosmetid adjustments because if they can't have it for free the game is ruined.

if you don't like it shut up and go play something else. entitlist scab on societie's back. I'd bet you'd go to a movie theatre and demand free popcorn with your ,movie, huh?

no one wants your attitude amd I doubt zos would care if you stopped loitering.

xD Yes, exactly. I can sense your indignation.

You brought no new argument to the table, except the same old 'entitlement' argument.

Of course ZOS is not morally or logically obliged to give anything away for free. No one is saying that. It would be silly.

Yet as a paying customer (who has bought the box price and thousands of Crowns), there is reasonable expectation, based upon industry practice and the functionality of the product. Mine is different than yours.

I see Costume Dyes in its current implementation as nickle-and-diming. So I simply won't buy them, nor any costumes going forward. I stated my reasons above (did you even read it? My main plead was against increasing microtransactification and for a better dye system for B2P users), which is a legitimate use of these forums.

I did not call you names, I did not 'flail in agony' (though I do not know how you read my post in your mind), but then again I quoted you and attacked your 'argument' which on the internet means rudeness will ensue, I suppose.

Cheers buddy.


Edit:
I thought about your movietheater analogy, and I propose an adjustment.

I bought tickets to a movie. Not the best seating tickets, those are reserved for club members, but hey, tickets for a movie. During the break I go out to buy some popcorn. Turns out they don't have any salt or sugar, but they'll get some later. I should come back during the second break.

So I do. I already bought the popcorn 'as is', but when I return the employees at the counter say I have to pay extra for the sugar or salt. I also have to pay extra if I want ice cubes with my drink. I can't return my ticket cause I've already seen half of the movie, in fact I'd have to return multiple tickets because I also purchased access to its sequals.

Other customers berate me: the popcorn didn't come with salt at first, did it? The drink said nothing about ice cubes. It's only a matter of flavour anyway. The ticket doesn't mean anything, be glad they even let you have a seat and decided to sell food during the breaks! They got to make money. Don't be cheap. You should become a club member, they say: you get all the benefits then!