Shared Riding Skill please

Oreyn_Bearclaw

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

So, you want to do everything on one character, and basically have it all transfer to an alt?

What would be the point of creating an alt if you get everything handed to you, besides running a different class?

Champion Points are shared from 50. If you want to run with horses, pay for it, cheapskate!

For many of us that is exactly the point of creating an alt, though your generalization up to this admission was a fallacy.

Stating the system as it is, is not a defense of the system - I'm not sure what your last sentence is supposed to bring to the table in that regard?

I'm genuinely curious as to why people think it's a good system?

In my opinion the only reason it works this way is to have people log in every day or pay money. It's not fun, it's not interactive, it's annoying. It's frankly something I expect to see in something like Candy Crush (technically also a fallacy perhaps, but I thought it an interesting comparison).

Some people who have already maxed everything, made the sacrifice, might be annoyed by the thought that it might be changed, but that wouldn't be a very good argument I think.

Actually, I think that is a very compelling argument. I spend 2 years feeding 8 horses to max and then ZOS comes along and gives it to everyone for no effort? Sorry, but that is a problem.

Daemons_Bane

Topithus wrote: »

Alright... so hypothetically speaking... if ZOS did make horse training account wide... would I get all that wasted gold back on my 3 alt characters that have maxed (60/60/60) horses? Or would it just be gone? 45K per character... 135K in total... and growing as I make new alts. And that's just me... what about the people who paid crowns to upgrade their alts? Would they get a crown refund?

Do you think that's fair?

Why is the gold wasted when you have gotten a full riding skill for so long? Secondly, it would only amount to 90K, as you would still have to pay for that first character.. 3rd, no it would not be growing if you made a new alt, which is pretty much the point, which you may have missed..

Yes some people may have lost some crowns, but that's still just crowns.. Some lost some, some saved some.. Is it really that big a deal? Half of those players probably got the crowns in their membership, which they paid for anyway

Kendaric wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

That could be solved with the skill line suggestion would also make it feel like older ES games The more you use something, the better it becomes

A skill line I'd approve of, it just would make sense. But accountwide riding skill? No, thanks. I prefer it to be able to have characters that have maxed different aspects of their horse.

I could settle for a skill line, although I still think that sharing is better

Taleof2Cities

I have four (4) characters which are maxed 60/60/60 ... and a fifth that's working on bag space only 60/60/19.

1. Said characters managed to save up the in-game gold to purchase their mount uprgades ... without needing to use crowns.

2. Said characters were diligent about logging in once a day, when not on vacation or otherwise away ... sometimes standing by the stablemaster when logging out.

I'm not totally opposed to the change proposed by the OP.

At the same time, I don't have much sympathy for the portion of the player base that: (a) "forgets" about feeding their horse on a daily basis (across all characters), (b) doesn't want to pay crowns for a quicker upgrade, and (c) then comes to the forums to QQ about their slow mount.

Giraffon

If you plan on having multiple characters, I suggest you make them all or several at once and play the ones you want while the others just get riding lessons each day. That way when you are ready to play your alts they already have some skill on their mounts. This system has worked well for me.

Daemons_Bane

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

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I'm not totally opposed to the change proposed by the OP.

At the same time, I don't have much sympathy for the portion of the player base that: (a) "forgets" about feeding their horse on a daily basis (across all characters), (b) doesn't want to pay crowns for a quicker upgrade, and (c) then comes to the forums to QQ about their slow mount.

No worries, this is not to be a QQ thread The fact that most of my horses are not maxed is entirely on my shoulders I just think that the system is flawed, and that this suggestion would help players that, for one reason or another, have not gotten their mounts maxed.. It would also be a better experience for totally new players, which might work towards keeping them in the game for a longer period of time

petraeus1

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

So, you want to do everything on one character, and basically have it all transfer to an alt?

What would be the point of creating an alt if you get everything handed to you, besides running a different class?

Champion Points are shared from 50. If you want to run with horses, pay for it, cheapskate!

For many of us that is exactly the point of creating an alt, though your generalization up to this admission was a fallacy.

Stating the system as it is, is not a defense of the system - I'm not sure what your last sentence is supposed to bring to the table in that regard?

I'm genuinely curious as to why people think it's a good system?

In my opinion the only reason it works this way is to have people log in every day or pay money. It's not fun, it's not interactive, it's annoying. It's frankly something I expect to see in something like Candy Crush (technically also a fallacy perhaps, but I thought it an interesting comparison).

Some people who have already maxed everything, made the sacrifice, might be annoyed by the thought that it might be changed, but that wouldn't be a very good argument I think.

Actually, I think that is a very compelling argument. I spend 2 years feeding 8 horses to max and then ZOS comes along and gives it to everyone for no effort? Sorry, but that is a problem.

That is a problem for you perhaps, but why? Does it make you feel bad? Don't you want others to have it easier than you? Comes across as rather selfish.

Isn't that by analogy similar to feeling what they feel when something goes on sale right after they bought something?

Would you defend a bad company policy because you had to put up with it, so your new colleagues should too?

I'd still like to know why people like this system.

Daemons_Bane

People like the current system, because it lets one lesson affect every mount and that IS an improvement from the old system.. But the system can be made better still

Dreyloch

IMO, everything should be shared once you get a toon to champ 160. Riding skill, skill points, champ points...ALL of it. This game is the worst MMO I've ever played when it comes to re-playing. I have zero interest in sitting thru cut-scenes over and over. Waiting for boring conversations to end. Sitting thru "dream or ghost instances". If you've done it once, that should be enough. I'd almost rather pluck out my eyes with a rusty fork than sit thru all that BS again. Seriously.

Psyonico

It's a gold sink as much as anything. That would be why I say it won't happen

TBONE_OG

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Topithus wrote: »

Alright... so hypothetically speaking... if ZOS did make horse training account wide... would I get all that wasted gold back on my 3 alt characters that have maxed (60/60/60) horses? Or would it just be gone? 45K per character... 135K in total... and growing as I make new alts. And that's just me... what about the people who paid crowns to upgrade their alts? Would they get a crown refund?

Do you think that's fair?

Why is the gold wasted when you have gotten a full riding skill for so long? Secondly, it would only amount to 90K, as you would still have to pay for that first character.. 3rd, no it would not be growing if you made a new alt, which is pretty much the point, which you may have missed..

Yes some people may have lost some crowns, but that's still just crowns.. Some lost some, some saved some.. Is it really that big a deal? Half of those players probably got the crowns in their membership, which they paid for anyway

"Why is the gold wasted"? Are you kidding me? If your idea is put into place then all of us who paid 3 to 4 times over for mount upgrades get the shaft. Not sure how you can't see this but it's becoming clearer and clearer each time you post...

And yes, 90K wasted on alts... 45K for my first character. I was just doing the total math. But again, I've already started upgrading 4 new alt characters... so maybe if ZOS implemented your idea in less than 180 days, I'd benefit slightly. But for people who already maxed 7 extras horses (not even going to include the 4 extra character slots you can buy with crowns) that would be a whopping 315K down the toilet.

And "some people may have lost crowns, but that's still just crowns" .... holy hell. You know those crowns cost real dollars, right? Even if it's ESO+ crowns, that's still money that could have been spent elsewhere.

Look... you're not the first person to ever suggest this. I get it. It would have been great if mount upgrades were across all characters. But that's not the way it is. Going this way now, this far into the games life cycle, would enrage a lot of players (if they weren't reimbursed) and would cost ZOS a lot of money on loss crown mount upgrade purchases.

But hey, feel free to keep pushing/bumping this self entitlement thread. To each his own.

Daemons_Bane

Would you really be that mad about wasting some ingame gold? And as I said, you still got it's worth, having a full mount for all that time..

Yes I know that the crowns costs real life money, but it ain't the end of the world anyway.. Yes it's a bit sad for those people who have already spent them, but it could be a good thing for all the new people.. Ain't that worth something?

We can argue back and forth about whether this would cost ZOS money, or make them more.. We just can't know that

Dracane

At least make it so, that we can upgrade from 0 to max with just one click once we have unlocked it on the normal way on any character.

Charge the gold, but please don't force us to wait 180x12 hours to achieve that. That's just annoying and stupid. I don't want it for free, but I want it fast.

mikwin

Just give ESO+ members full stats while they are subscribed, problem solved.

Daemons_Bane

That would be overdoing it @mikwin

Oreyn_Bearclaw

petraeus1 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

So, you want to do everything on one character, and basically have it all transfer to an alt?

What would be the point of creating an alt if you get everything handed to you, besides running a different class?

Champion Points are shared from 50. If you want to run with horses, pay for it, cheapskate!

For many of us that is exactly the point of creating an alt, though your generalization up to this admission was a fallacy.

Stating the system as it is, is not a defense of the system - I'm not sure what your last sentence is supposed to bring to the table in that regard?

I'm genuinely curious as to why people think it's a good system?

In my opinion the only reason it works this way is to have people log in every day or pay money. It's not fun, it's not interactive, it's annoying. It's frankly something I expect to see in something like Candy Crush (technically also a fallacy perhaps, but I thought it an interesting comparison).

Some people who have already maxed everything, made the sacrifice, might be annoyed by the thought that it might be changed, but that wouldn't be a very good argument I think.

Actually, I think that is a very compelling argument. I spend 2 years feeding 8 horses to max and then ZOS comes along and gives it to everyone for no effort? Sorry, but that is a problem.

That is a problem for you perhaps, but why? Does it make you feel bad? Don't you want others to have it easier than you? Comes across as rather selfish.

Isn't that by analogy similar to feeling what they feel when something goes on sale right after they bought something?

Would you defend a bad company policy because you had to put up with it, so your new colleagues should too?

I'd still like to know why people like this system.

You want something for free that others had to put in effort for, and they are the ones that are selfish? Sorry, but I disagree. Sure, I would like to revamp the system a bit. I would like to be able for example to pay more in game to level them faster, or allow people to level each part of the riding skills once per day. I fully concede that 180 days is a long time to properly level a horse. I just rolled 2 new toons that I dont expect to play for a couple months. I rolled them now so I could start feeding horses. They very well might change the system at some point, as they have done in the past. I think it is important that whenever they make changes to any system, regardless of how bad it is, that peoples past efforts arent completely nullified.

Daemons_Bane

Oreyn, it WOULD be great if it could somehow be done in a way that would not make the players feel cheated.. But how would that be done? the gold/crowns are spent, and I don't believe they are being given back.. Tbh, I don't really care about the ingame gold, as that is just data.. The crowns though, are another matter entirely.. I just don't think that there is a way to please both groups