Remove Racial Passives : Allow Passives Selection Manually

Lord_Eomer

I am tired of these racial specific passives,

There should be no greed on choosing race except I like Bosmer, yes whatever I like I should play with.

After selecting race, I should be able to choose three/four different Passive types from different pools. I.e

1. Damage Passives
2. Max attributes Passives
3. Defence / Recovery Passives

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_KaiSchober Let the player choose what they want, do not force them as currently.

Players will be always unhappy over min/max for their favourite race and this way developers may always found unhappy customers. I am also one of them due to recent racial changes not in favor of my favorite races and forcing me to change race?

The idea is to "let us play with what we want to" and to change these passives again players requires Crown Store Change Race.

khele23eb17_ESO

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

You could wrap it up in some sort of 'background / personal story' system.

Alternatively, just remove racials, period.

mildlylucid

No

Racial passives are not something that I think is wrong with the game. You can complete all content on any race so this isn't a issue preventing you from "playing how you want".
If you want to min-max then picking a race other than your favourite shouldn't be a problem for you, and if you don't want to pay for a race change then you can reroll the race you want, get it up to level 50, transfer your gear and BOOM you've changed your race.
If you want to play a specific race then don't worry so much about min-maxing.

Also letting players manually choose passives would remove a lot of variety between builds. They just need to work on balancing the passives rather than changing the system to one which I guarantee would result in more imbalance.

BlackSparrow

No

Those racial passives are part of what makes this an Elder Scrolls game. The races have been good at the things they're good at since ES: Arena came out in 1994. It's part of the flavor of the series, which is what keeps a bunch of us TES fans playing the game.

If you care about that flavor, forget the passives and pick the race you want to play. Racial passives are supposed to be bonus. You can play your character perfectly fine without those four passives catering to your build. You won't be the top tier of your build type, but if you cared about that, you'd have picked the ideal race for its passives in the first place.

Lord_Eomer

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

If we remain with Passives per Race then it will be always min/max problem over favorite race.

Do you think Redguards and Khahit or Nord are equally good DPS in PVP? 4K additional stamina is useless or ignorable?

Altemrs, Dunmer comparing Bretons are equally good DPS in PVE or PVP?

Why we see more Redguards in PVP or more Altemrs but not bretons or Argonians?

Developers seeds this problem, unbalance races will remain an issue.

Developers may not able to fix this min/max issue, I have 4 bretons and I want to maximize my DPS, what should I do without changing race?

Yes I will always lose DPS with my existing choice and can never beat Altemrs or Dunmer.

Lumenn

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

I'd say remove them. In a single player the traditional passives don't mean anything. Once you involve PvP and trials etc then the current passives count. If they were completely useless in competition(safe fall, 2% better prices with vendors etc) then yeah, no biggie. While you CAN accomplish anything with any class the same player will do better with a redguard stamblade (for example) than a nord gear/level cp being equal. Just my thoughts anyway

Edit: only thing is, if you could customize your race, how would they sell race change....

Lord_Eomer

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

Lumenn wrote: »

I'd say remove them. In a single player the traditional passives don't mean anything. Once you involve PvP and trials etc then the current passives count. If they were completely useless in competition(safe fall, 2% better prices with vendors etc) then yeah, no biggie. While you CAN accomplish anything with any class the same player will do better with a redguard stamblade (for example) than a nord gear/level cp being equal. Just my thoughts anyway

Edit: only thing is, if you could customize your race, how would they sell race change....

To change Passives? You need crown store voucher?

mwd419_ESO

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

Yeah, this would be a better system that would allow for a better build variety across races. Leave the racial passives to the flavorful "Gimme" passive like the pickpocket and swimspeed. The actual passives that matter should be up to player choice.

Lord_Eomer

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

I like Nord Race but I have none Nord, argonian in all my 12 characters.

The only reason to blame is "Racial Passives", I like DPS and this is what they not offered.

I have like 5 Bretons because I like this race and after get into min/max thing and started doin end game contents, PVP I realized losing DPS.

With this upcoming race change, I will be forced changing to Altemrs and Dunmer (personally not like them as breton)

Kendaric

No

There's no need for ESO to cater even more to the min/maxers than it already does. If anything they should bring back softcaps, that would lessen the impact of racial choice.
But I'll happily play each of my characters, whether they have an "optimal" race or not.

lolo_01b16_ESO

No

I like that there are different racials like in every other TES game. They add some nice flavour to my characters but playing a "wrong" race isn't as much of an issue as some people think. If you don't do enough dps then you can improve at some other point aswell and if you do enough dps it's fine anyways.

dsalter

Other (explaination)

racials just need to have other game impact. very little, racial abilities shouldn't be giving huge percentages like 10. they should give 2-3 at the most. otherwise this power creep happens

Lumenn

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Lumenn wrote: »

I'd say remove them. In a single player the traditional passives don't mean anything. Once you involve PvP and trials etc then the current passives count. If they were completely useless in competition(safe fall, 2% better prices with vendors etc) then yeah, no biggie. While you CAN accomplish anything with any class the same player will do better with a redguard stamblade (for example) than a nord gear/level cp being equal. Just my thoughts anyway

Edit: only thing is, if you could customize your race, how would they sell race change....

To change Passives? You need crown store voucher?

??? No...if you could both choose the race you want AND the passives you want there wouldn't be a reason to buy a race change.

Lord_Eomer

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

dsalter wrote: »

racials just need to have other game impact. very little, racial abilities shouldn't be giving huge percentages like 10. they should give 2-3 at the most. otherwise this power creep happens

Well I do not mind removing but I like high damage builds for end game, they have to compensate one or another way..or else game will look back in old days where you were hitting low..

Passives buff is important but if I can choose myself then atleast I can pick atlast Nord or argonian race..

Jar_Ek

No

Unfortunately you would swap race for a specific set of racial passives as the meta for a specific build style. It would also be somewhat jarring for lore junkies.

If zos could actually get somewhere near to balance, then the current races would work - or if all racials were essentially fluff passives at end game.

Lord_Eomer

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

Nords are supposed to be fierce warriors and expert weapon masters but instead they look absorbing damage fools..

They are not fitting with their lore. Human races except Redguards are screwed badly..

Wollust

No

All your threads are asking for nerfs or to remove something. Why is that?

Lord_Eomer

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

Lol

Wollust wrote: »

All your threads are asking for nerfs or to remove something. Why is that?

Lol, which thread is asking nerf?

If discussing some point is asking to nerf? then please have some fresh air..

This thread is to give flexibility to players for choosing passives manually not to remove anything..

alkodav

No

If there were no racial passives, all my chars were dunmers... But now some diversity present in my char list

Lumenn

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

alkodav wrote: »

If there were no racial passives, all my chars were dunmers... But now some diversity present in my char list

Most of mine would be bosmer. Maybe one khajiit and one Argo. Might still be...

Kattemynte

Other (explaination)

I would say instead of completely removing them we get something similar to or even another set of trees in the CP line. That way people could customize their character as they wanted and then have racial passives be the fluff like 1% more gold found.

Yes, most my characters would end up being Khajjit but I currently do not like how right now I am pretty much forced to go, "Altmer or Breton for magicka?" Instead I choose the race that I prefer and enjoy playing it instead of having to Meta in order to be competative.

Jade1986

No

Hell. No. Racial passives have been a part of TES universe since the very beginning. They DO on the other hand need to balance them a bit better, and the first race change NEEDS to be free.

Ragnaroek93

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

Wouldn't be necessary to remove them, just make them less important. Or allow people to choose them, for example after doing Silver and Gold...

CaptainVenom

No

Gods...

Tdroid

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

If the option is between the currently balanced and rather impactful racials and not having any, I would prefer not having any.

If the option of having racials without combat impact, I want those.

Ghost-Shot

No

I really like being able to optimize a build with the proper race, and with race change finally being a thing a thing it makes it so you aren't stuck in one role for the life of that character. It would be nice if they mode some of the unused races a little more viable though. That being said this game has pretty good balance between pointless racials like you see in in Rift and super OP like you see on Humans in WoW for example (seriously free Trinket OP).

Abeille

No

No.

What I wanted them to do, however, is to put the softcaps back in place. Then, each race would have a headstart on whatever they are more inclined to, but everybody with the right setup could get to the stat cap and excel on their role/build.

This is the most lore-friendly option, too, because in TES, anyone can become the best at what they do with enough effort. Shalidor, who was a Nord and a fantastic master of the Arcane arts, is the most obvious example.

Lord_Eomer

Yes Remove Racial Passives and Let Players Manually Choose Passives

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

I really like being able to optimize a build with the proper race, and with race change finally being a thing a thing it makes it so you aren't stuck in one role for the life of that character. It would be nice if they mode some of the unused races a little more viable though. That being said this game has pretty good balance between pointless racials like you see in in Rift and super OP like you see on Humans in WoW for example (seriously free Trinket OP).

Not sure if you have read post, my suggestion is not remove pasives but allow manually select passives,

After selecting race, I should be able to choose three/four different Passive types from different pools. I.e

1. Damage Passives
2. Max attributes Passives
3. Defence / Recovery Passives

Shadesofkin

No

I'm not hosing lore based passives because some players want more options.

MythicEmperor

Other (explaination)

I think that something different should be done. I think that reimplementing soft caps would solve many problems because then any race is able to reach their potential, while others have an advantage in doing so still. This is lore friendly as well. For example, Dunmer aren't just magic-based. They did try showing this with the stamina bonus, but noone runs a pure stamina build with Dunmer if they want to be competitive end-game. Adding soft caps would allow people to play how they like. Bretons can be noble knights instead of forever being locked into magery, Dunmer can be Morag Tong assassins, and Altmer can be Thalmor warriors. The possibilities are endless when Altmer=/=Magic or Imperial=/=Stamina! I know you can do whatever you want decently, but in trials no one will take you seriously as an Argonian DPS.

samytheslayer

No

If you want to play a certain race then pick it. I play with a person who choose an imperial for a sorc and he does just fine in all of the content. If you think the passives that your favorite race has are holding you back then you need to L2P.